The Biblical teachings of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church

[Diaste]

5 hours ago, Quasar93 said:

 

 

FYI, Jesus ministry in His first advent, was exclusively to Israel, the Church DID NOT exist,

Hmm..."

Matt 18

¹⁵ Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

¹⁶ But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

¹⁷ And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

The words of Jesus well before Pentecost.

Acts 7

"37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. 38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina..."

Seems the church existed long ago. What you an many other seem to forget is the church is a religious congregation. The forerunner of which is the congregation of the House of Jacob. God the Father and Jesus Christ our Lord is the leader of that congregation, which existed really from the the time Abraham was called and trusted God. The congregation of God's people haas existed for a long time and is not some modern entity. You, and many others, misunderstand the fullness of the scriptures.

 

because the Holy Spirit had not yet arrived, according to Jn.7:39, 

Psalm 51:11

"Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me." 

Seems David had the Holy Spirit. How did David have the Holy Spirit if the Holy Spirit had not yet come, or been given?

Isaiah 63

11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him? Again we have evidence that God put the Holy Spirit within someone, well before Pentecost. To say the Holy Spirit had not yet been given is inaccurate. The truth is the Holy Spirit was to be given to everyone in the Days of Jesus, something that was prophesied by an ancient prophet. That's the difference, not the absence of the Spirit, but the corporate indwelling. 

Until at Pentecost, ten days after Jesus ascended into heaven, according to Acts 1:9 and 2:1-3.  In Mt.24:30, No ONE gathers together with the Lord.  See Zech.9:14 and Rev.19:11-21 for a textual picture of that scene.  In Mt.24:31, the angels will gather the ELECT from four winds [Israel] , from one end of heaven to the other [The raptured Church].

The OP and the following post of this thread, provide you with ALL the Scriptural support used by Jesus, Matthew, Luke, John and Paul, in the teachings of the coming pre-trib rapture of the Church, you call them all liars, in denying them.  Where did you obtain your qualifications to teach eschatology?

The pre-trib rapture of the Church views posted in the OP are fully endorsed by the following:

1. Frank L. Gaebelein, A.M., Litt.D., Headmaster Emiritus, The Stoney Brook School; 2. William Culbertson, D.D., L.L.D., President, Moody Bible Institute; 3. Charles L. Feinberg, ThD., PhD., Dean, Talbot Theological Seminary; 4. Allan A. Mac Rae, A.M., PhD., President, Biblical School of Theology; 5. Clarence E. Mason, Jr., Th.M., D.D., Dean, Philadelphia College of Bible; 6. Alva J. Mc Clain, Th.M., D.D., President Emeritus, Grace Theological Seminary; 7. Wilbur M. Smith, D.D., Editor, Peloubet's Select Notes; 8. John F. Walvoord, A.M., Th.D., President, Dallas Theological Seminary; 9. C.I. Scofield, D.D., Editor, Scofield Bible; 10. Editorial Committee Chairman, J. E. Schuyler English, Litt.D.

Chuck Missler, Koinonia House, Charles Stanley, Baptist minister, Zola Levitt, Levitt's Ministries, Miles Weiss, Zola Levitt's Ministries, Moishe Rosen, Jew's For Jesus Org., David Bickner, Jew's For Jesus Org., Mitch Glaser, His Chosen People Minisries Dwight Pentecost, Dean at Dallas Theological Seminary, Harold Wilmington, Dean at Liberty Seminary, Arno Froese, Editor and CEO of Midnight Call Ministries, Thomas Ice, PhD., Author, Jack Van Impe, TV Ministry, Tim Le Haye, Author, Jerry Fallwell, Baptist minister, Billie Graham, TV ministry, Franklin Graham, TV ministry, Dr. Ron Carlson, Dr. Wilfred Hahn, Dave Hunt, Ed Decker and Dr. Norbert Lieth.
 

Appeals to authority are a logical error in most all cases. Just because one has authority does not imbue them with facts or truth. There is one authority and that is Christ Jesus. Superior to all others. I will take my lessons from Paul and Jesus and not from a group of men even if they number in the thousands, millions even.

Quasar93

 

 

 

[Diaste]

1 hour ago, n2thelight said:

There are two tribes,one of satan and one of God

The one of satan is why we need the below

Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil."

My question would be why do we need the armour,if we not gonna be here?

The one of God, being His, we don't worry.

Psalm 91:7-16 New King James Version (NKJV)

7 A thousand may fall at your side,
And ten thousand at your right hand;
But it shall not come near you.

 

I agree.

[Quasar93]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

 

 

 

FYI, God provided His Holy Spirit only to those He chose to give it in OT times.  The New Covenant of Grace, where His HS is freely offered to all who believe in Jesus Christ, as the Son of God, whom God raised from the dead, as his/her personal Lord and Savior, was not in existence until at Pentecost, in Acts 2:1-3!

Since I have provided all the Scriptural facts in the first two posts in this thread as well as other places, my interfacing about it with you is terminated on this subject, with this post.  It is pointless in spinding more time with someone who knows eschatology better than qualified theologians.

 

Quasar93

[Daniel 11:36]

It is pointless N2 .... you are just babbling 

[Steve Conley]

21 hours ago, Quasar93 said:

The pre-trib rapture of the Church views posted in the OP are fully endorsed by the following:

1. Frank L. Gaebelein, A.M., Litt.D., Headmaster Emiritus, The Stoney Brook School; 2. William Culbertson, D.D., L.L.D., President, Moody Bible Institute; 3. Charles L. Feinberg, ThD., PhD., Dean, Talbot Theological Seminary; 4. Allan A. Mac Rae, A.M., PhD., President, Biblical School of Theology; 5. Clarence E. Mason, Jr., Th.M., D.D., Dean, Philadelphia College of Bible; 6. Alva J. Mc Clain, Th.M., D.D., President Emeritus, Grace Theological Seminary; 7. Wilbur M. Smith, D.D., Editor, Peloubet's Select Notes; 8. John F. Walvoord, A.M., Th.D., President, Dallas Theological Seminary; 9. C.I. Scofield, D.D., Editor, Scofield Bible; 10. Editorial Committee Chairman, J. E. Schuyler English, Litt.D.

Chuck Missler, Koinonia House, Charles Stanley, Baptist minister, Zola Levitt, Levitt's Ministries, Miles Weiss, Zola Levitt's Ministries, Moishe Rosen, Jew's For Jesus Org., David Bickner, Jew's For Jesus Org., Mitch Glaser, His Chosen People Minisries Dwight Pentecost, Dean at Dallas Theological Seminary, Harold Wilmington, Dean at Liberty Seminary, Arno Froese, Editor and CEO of Midnight Call Ministries, Thomas Ice, PhD., Author, Jack Van Impe, TV Ministry, Tim Le Haye, Author, Jerry Fallwell, Baptist minister, Billie Graham, TV ministry, Franklin Graham, TV ministry, Dr. Ron Carlson, Dr. Wilfred Hahn, Dave Hunt, Ed Decker and Dr. Norbert Lieth.

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

Quasar93, when you stand before the judgement seat of Christ and you give account for your eschatological teaching, particularly that, instead of warning and preparing the church for the most severe persecution imaginable, as Christ, Paul, Peter and John did, you instead set them at ease saying, "its not for you, don't worry, you will be raptured first." Will you then cite all these "theologians" whom you now put your faith in. Will it help you to not be ashamed in His presence. Will He say, "its not your fault", because they taught you wrong. No He will most certainly remind you of those who were faithful witnesses to the truth. Those who expounded unto you the Word of God. Those who warned you of your eisegesis. Those you blindly dismissed.

He will likely reprove you for being less than a Berean, for failing to hear the truth proclaimed, and then not proving all things. Has He not told us through the Apostle Paul:

1Th 5:19  Quench not the Spirit.
1Th 5:20  Despise not prophesyings.
1Th 5:21  Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
1Th 5:22  Abstain from all appearance of evil.

We are not to quench or silence the ministry of the Spirit to us through the preaching of the Word. We are to hear and then test or prove the proclamation that was received, through diligent examination of the Scriptures. If it passes the test hold on to it tightly. If it fails the test put it away from you.

It's not to late to repent and begin to undue the damage you have already caused.

All praise, honour, and glory be unto the Lord Jesus Christ.

Edited April 28, 2018 by Steve Conley

[Daniel 11:36]

'Quasar93, when you stand before the judgement seat of Christ and you give account for your eschatological teaching, particularly that, instead of warning and preparing the church for the most severe persecution imaginable, as Christ, Paul, Peter and John did, you instead set them at ease saying, "its not for you, don't worry, you will be raptured first." Will you then cite all these "theologians" whom you now put your faith in. Will it help you to not be ashamed in His presence. Will He say, "its not your fault", because they taught you wrong. No He will most certainly remind you of those who were faithful witnesses to the truth. Those who expounded unto you the Word of God. Those who warned you of your eisegesis. Those you blindly dismissed"

 

You are the one who blind Conley

The Lord's first action for those who belong to Him will be to immortalize them, both the dead and the living, just before He brings His wrath and judgment upon an unbelieving world [Revelation 6:12-17]

Your scriptural presentation is flouted with your own ploy to deceive and corrupt Biblical truth

I have read all that you have posted and see that your attempt is to mislead

Better change your course and read your Bible

 

[Daniel 11:36]

"how does athe 24th chapter of matthew fit into a biblical teaching of pretrib rapture?"

 

The Lord's discourse is all about Israel during the coming 70th week decreed

It is just that simple

The pre-tribulation stealing is about the Lord's intent to immortalize His saved ones first

This He will do and then He will commence His wrath and judgment upon an unbelieving world

[Daniel 11:36]

Like what?

[Quasar93]

2 hours ago, Steve Conley said:

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

Quasar93, when you stand before the judgement seat of Christ and you give account for your eschatological teaching, particularly that, instead of warning and preparing the church for the most severe persecution imaginable, as Christ, Paul, Peter and John did, you instead set them at ease saying, "its not for you, don't worry, you will be raptured first." Will you then cite all these "theologians" whom you now put your faith in. Will it help you to not be ashamed in His presence. Will He say, "its not your fault", because they taught you wrong. No He will most certainly remind you of those who were faithful witnesses to the truth. Those who expounded unto you the Word of God. Those who warned you of your eisegesis. Those you blindly dismissed.

He will likely reprove you for being less than a Berean, for failing to hear the truth proclaimed, and then not proving all things. Has He not told us through the Apostle Paul:

1Th 5:19  Quench not the Spirit.
1Th 5:20  Despise not prophesyings.
1Th 5:21  Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
1Th 5:22  Abstain from all appearance of evil.

We are not to quench or silence the ministry of the Spirit to us through the preaching of the Word. We are to hear and then test or prove the proclamation that was received, through diligent examination of the Scriptures. If it passes the test hold on to it tightly. If it fails the test put it away from you.

It's not to late to repent and begin to undue the damage you have already caused.

All praise, honour, and glory be unto the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

According to the context of the OP, those who gave us the teachings of the coming pre-trib rapture o the Church, are Jesus, Matthew, Luke, John and Paul, whom you persist in claiming them to be liars.  your above meaningless exercise in judgment of me personally, is the epitome of egotistical arrogance.

Let me see your attempt at fielding an argument refuting any part of the Biblical teaching of the coming pre-trib rapture of the Church.  Failure to do so is clear evidence the views you propagate are those that are false! 

Scriptural proof for the pre-trib rapture of the Church 

The Scriptures are crystal clear where Jesus will meet His Church, in 1 Thess.4:17: "After that, we who are still alive and are left, WILL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER with them in the clouds TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. And so we will be with the Lord forever." In the FIRST of His TWO comings, recorded in 1 Thess.4:16, yet to take place, confirming Jn.14:2-3, 28! From where the Church is seen in heaven BEFORE the tribulation begins, in Rev.4:1-2. Where Jesus used John to symbolically represent the Church. Confirming 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8! Where the Church is seen in heaven later, at the marriage of the Bride/Church to the Lamb/Jesus. While the tribulation is taking place on earth, recorded in Rev.19:7-8. From where Jesus will return to the earth in the SECOND, of His TWO comings, yet to take place, WITH HIS CHURCH, riding white horses, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, in His armies from heaven, recorded in 19:14, confirming Zech.14:4-5 and Acts 1:6; 1:11; 2:29-30 and 15:16! From which the above Scriptures leave no other options!

The difference between the pre-trib rapture of the Church, as delineated above, and the SECOND coming of Jesus are the following facts:

1. Jesus returns to the earth in His second coming, recorded in Zech.14:4-5 and in Acts 1:11.

2. No one meets Jesus in the sky when He returns in His second coming, recorded in Rev.19:14, as they will when He returns for the first time, recorded in 1 Thess.4:16!.

3. Jesus will return from the marriage of the Bride/Church to the Lamb/Jesus, in heaven, in His second coming, to the earth, with His Church, recorded in Rev.19:14, He came for in His first coming, in the clouds of the sky, seven years before, recorded in Jn.14:2-3, 28, 1 Thess.4:16-17 and 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8.

4. No one returns to the present heaven at Jesus second coming to the earth, because He has come to establish His 1,000 year reign on the throne of David, in the restored kingdom of Israel, as recorded in Acts 1:6; 2:29-30; 15:16; Zech.6:12-13 described in Ez.40-47 and Rev.20:6. In addition to the present heaven and earth being destroyed and will pass away, as recorded in 2 Pet.3:7 and in Rev.21:1.


Quasar93

[n2thelight]

What trumpet is the below?

Matthew 24:31 "And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."