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3 minutes ago, Yowm said:

The gist of the passage is in the context of false prophets. But more specifically, how are we to test dreams and visions and 'interpretations' for their truthfulness, except by God's Word which is like fire next to straw or like a hammer breaking rocks into tiny pieces.

Agreed. :thumbsup:

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Ok, I just finished writing this up, so here is the explanation of the third dream. A member here at Worthy sent me this about a month or so ago. This came entirely unsolicited. We were not even talking about anything related to politics at the time, as I am not politically but rather spiritually-oriented:

“I had noticed that you mention visions, so I want to mention that I at times had visions, from 1966, not frequently, but perhaps like building blocks, simple lessons in symbols. Almost none at all for perhaps 8 or 10 years, then here is one from Nov 9, 2016.  The night before, I decided to go on to bed and see results of Presidential election the next day. Next morning I hopped out of bed, then suddenly realized that I had seen a vision, beside the nightstand in the night. It was two black dogs, eyes not showing, teeth not showing, and they were on silver chains which were being held like two leashes but I saw no hands. Then came forward 4 black clouds. So I went on out and learned that Trump had won. It took me a few hours I think and I thought, that is Hilary and Kaine! I cannot venture into the black clouds, representation unknown, and have no insight yet that I recall. I am certain some event, important, is about to occur.”  

The Spirit fully confirmed her interpretation about the two dogs being Hillary and Kaine to be correct. That they were showing no teeth represented how, due to not being elected, they would not be able to do violence in office. They would have "no teeth" to do so.

I have encountered the imagery of a “black dog” before in dreams. It represents the Egyptian gods Anubis and Set. Set is the one always depicted as black, and he is Egyptian mythology’s equivalent to Satan. Set was especially known as a god of “storms, disorder and violence.” (wiki). Another dream where this demon appeared was from a woman who had been married to a very violent and abusive man, and eventually divorced him and remarried. Yet after 10 years of being happily married to the new man, in the last few months her husband, who had never shown signs of being violent before, was suddenly turning into the same violent person her first husband was. At around this same time she started having visions appear to her of a half-man, half dog, all black, who would appear standing behind her husband.

That these two black dogs had “no eyes showing” means they did not foresee losing the 2016 election.

The symbolism of their being on leashes yet with no hands visible is obvious. Satan is a spirit, and thus they were submitted to the “lead” of his unseen hand. This appears to be confirmed by the revelations that were coming forth in the Podesta emails, leading up to the election. Both Clinton and Podesta had, as a member of their inner circle, a Satanist by the name of Marina Abramovic whom Podesta stated he was looked forward to attending an upcoming gathering with, and wanted to know if Clinton planned on being there. Abramovic appears to be the heir-apparent of a system of Magick and Satanism known as Thelema, originally founded by Aleister Crowley. Basically, the belief is that if you summon a “god” (i.e. read here "a demon") during a Satanic ritual to enter your body, any fluids emitting from your body during that time are considering as divine emanations, which if consumed grant the participants greater Satanic power. Abramovic’s practice of “spirit cooking” is thus a direct adaptation of Crowleyan teachings (the mess she expresses her “art” with by painting walls with it is therefore a concoction of various bodily fluids, including semen and blood). 

I'm assuming this is common knowledge, but for anyone unfamiliar with all this, look up “Abramovic: Spirit Cooking” or “Abramovic: Goat’s Head.” It won’t take long to get the picture. There is every reason to believe Hillary Clinton is and has long been a closet Satanist, a claim likewise made decades ago by victims of the MK-Ultra governmental mind-control program, among them Cathy O’Brien, who has come out publicly about Hillary, Bill, the Bushes, and a number of other powerful politicians in the United States.

So what do the four clouds represent? This is the predictive element of the dream, and with frightening implications. When I first read the words “Then came forward 4 black clouds,” my mind immediately went to, “two sets of candidates, who will be coming after Hillary and Kaine, and likewise serve the darkness” and my initial senses are usually correct. But I didn’t know if she meant that they appeared all together, or one after another, or in two sets of two. I initially opted to just go with the later, but then got wise enough to ask her. She replied, “It was two dark cloud shapes, then followed by two more.” This makes this final detail vitally important, and it is confirmed by the two dogs. Two dogs, followed by two sets of clouds each means that two sets of candidates (Presidential and Vice-Presidential, just as with Hillary and Kaine) will be coming after them. If true, it means the next two Presidential terms in this country will be led by wicked people, no matter what they may appear to be on the surface.

One more interesting thing in this context: In the months leading up to the election, I was keeping a close watch on some of the prophesies going forth about how Trump had been chosen by God to become the next President of the United States. Sadhu Selveraj was one of those prophesying this in August, four months before the election (I was watching it on Youtube during the time), and among the things he prophesied were the words, “He will be used to clean and purify the nation. As hard as he is, he has been prepared for this. As Cyrus was used to discipline and then to restore Israel, likewise Trump will be used in the US. He will be used to curb violence. He will be God’s mouth and hand for this nation.”

I realize not all accept Selveraj as a prophet, and I understand that, but the following highlighted words speak volumes about what the agenda of the enemy is and has been the entire time. It is specifically what got postponed by Trump’s election: VIOLENCE in the United States. It is why the enemy hates Trump so. The trend leading up to the election was increasing terrorism, especially Islamic terrorism, not just worldwide but suddenly in the US as well. One major incident happened in 2015, and then two in 2016. But what has happened since then? One can only speculate about what might have happened had Hillary had been elected, but I recall a big concern at that time was the alarming number of Muslim refugees who were being admitted into this country, without proper screening. What has become of all that since then? One major incident happened last year, but the entire climate feels different in this country at the moment, as if Trump had indeed curbed the spirit of violence at the very least, up until now anyway. The terrorists may recognize that from the top on down the spirit that rules over this country at present will not tolerate evil. There may also be a divine protection in place over this nation because of who who decided to elect. But what happens when the leadership changes back again, to one of “tolerance” for all things Islam and intolerance for Christianity?

One last disturbing note that seems to confirm the message I present here: Selveraj also prophesied about 6-8 months ago that we are currently in a time of God’s grace, a four year “grace period” if you will, and that if our country and especially the church in the US does not “get its act together,” this grace period will end and judgment is going to begin. I find that especially foreboding in light of what the dreams seem to be saying now.

I will go find the video and write out a transcript of his exact words whenever I can.

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23 hours ago, Heart2Soul said:

I read some of the posts on this forum and other forums and their focus is on such trivial stuff that they are missing the very events going on before our very eyes......I posted a thread Blowing of the Rams Horn and it is about the sounds people all over the world are hearing and recording that are coming from the sky....the trumpet sound they are hearing sounds just like a shofar (rams horn) and in the OT the blowing of the rams horn had numerous meanings but one of them was to sound the battle cry. 

Myself and others have had dreams and visions of war for 2018....the beginning of sorrows.....I am keeping my eye on Israel and Syria because if they enter into full blown war it will drag all allies from both sides into it.....But God is definitely doing something and He is calling for His Warriors to rise up and fight.....it is the Gog and Magog war.....and the battle against Satan and the sins of the nations is about to commence.

Dear Heart2Soul,

The Great Tribulation is coming, but most of the Christians here in the US are asleep or refuse to believe that their faith is going to be tested.  The apostasy and the complacency comes from the Pre-Trib rapture teaching that they need not worry about what's coming because Jesus is going to whisk them away so they won't have to suffer for His Name's Sake.  There will be a great falling away when they realize they are going to have to face the fire.  They haven't prepared in their hearts, minds, and souls so they will not endure sadly. 

But your dreams and others are a warning to all of us and was prophesied in Joel and Acts. 

Also, God always lets us know what He is doing beforehand. 

Amos 3:7  Surely the LORD GOD will do nothing, But He revealeth His secret unto His servants the prophets.  

Thanks for the warning.  Keep warning.  Tribulation is coming................

 

 

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4 minutes ago, ForHisGlory37 said:

The Great Tribulation is coming, but most of the Christians here in the US are asleep or refuse to believe that their faith is going to be tested.  The apostasy and the complacency comes from the Pre-Trib rapture teaching that they need not worry about what's coming because Jesus is going to whisk them away so they won't have to suffer for His Name's Sake. 

This is utterly and completely false as they are one of the few groups giving warning of the signs coming and the apostasy brought on by false teachers.

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4 minutes ago, Yowm said:

This is utterly and completely false as they are one of the few groups giving warning of the signs coming and the apostasy brought on by false teachers.

Guys, I would prefer if we didn't derail this thread with a debate about pre-trib and post-trib if at all possible. I personally don't even think the tribulation proper is all that close just yet, but merely that we are about to enter into darker times as we draw closer to that time.

Anyway, if possible, could we please avoid that debate here? I'm asking both kindly and respectfully.

Hidden

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3 hours ago, Hidden In Him said:

Thanks to everyone for their replies. I can tell this is going more in the direction of the third dream I referenced (which I find the most interesting as well), but for now I will post the second dream along these same lines.

This dream was posted by Heart2Soul recently on another thread, and I recognized almost instantly what it was about. I spoke to her in private, and it is a dream she had many years ago but never got an interpretation for, and has just recently experienced it being brought back to her remembrance quite a bit. That means the time of its fulfillment is now closer at hand.

As posted in the thread:

My interpretation was as follows:

Most significant here was the fact that the sun was going down, meaning darkness was coming. And if this dream was given years ago, that means the darkness is even closer now to falling than it was then. This would also tie into the imagery of the third dream, in that servants of darkness in the highest positions of leadership in the land may be coming...

I will post the final dream whenever I have the chance to write it up, together with supporting material from what I know of Hillary Clinton and her association with people like Marina Abramovic. But for now, thanks to everyone for their thoughtful replies.

 

 

 

Thanks for the interpretation!  I believe you are right that the darkness is coming.... it is now here though.... last year the Lord pressed upon my heart this verse...

Isaiah 60: 1-3  Arise, shine; for thy light is come.  And the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.  For behold, the darkness shall cover the earth.  And deep darkness the people:  But the LORD shall arise upon thee, and His glory shall be seen upon thee.  And the Gentile shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. 

I think it fits in with the dream and your interpretation! 

Blessings,

FHG

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1 minute ago, ForHisGlory37 said:

last year the Lord pressed upon my heart this verse...

Isaiah 60: 1-3  Arise, shine; for thy light is come.  And the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.  For behold, the darkness shall cover the earth.  And deep darkness the people:  But the LORD shall arise upon thee, and His glory shall be seen upon thee.  And the Gentile shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. 

That's a fantastic passage, and indeed accurate to the times we are about to enter.

Bless you, sister! :thumbsup:

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5 minutes ago, Hidden In Him said:

Guys, I would prefer if we didn't derail this thread with a debate about pre-trib and post-trib if at all possible. I personally don't even think the tribulation proper is all that close just yet, but merely that we are about to enter into darker times as we draw closer to that time.

Anyway, if possible, could we please avoid that debate here? I'm asking both kindly and respectfully.

Hidden

So why did you quote me when For His Glory introduced the attack/derailment of pre-tribs?

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17 minutes ago, Yowm said:

This is utterly and completely false as they are one of the few groups giving warning of the signs coming and the apostasy brought on by false teachers.

I love you you brother Yowm, but it is not utterly and completely false.   The testing of our faith in Jesus Christ is coming to us here in the US and the whole world....

 

Blessings

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2 minutes ago, ForHisGlory37 said:

I love you you brother Yowm, but it is not utterly and completely false.   The testing of our faith in Jesus Christ is coming to us here in the US and the whole world....

 

Blessings

But that has nothing to do with pre trib teaching. They are the ones giving out the warning more than most groups. And I never have met one that said we are immune to persecution.

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      We always had nationals living in our house with us, which was a blessing for many reasons. One of these nationals had a good Christian friend whom I’ll call Mary. Mary was from a Christian family. Mary lived outside the city, so when she visited our home she would take public transportation into the city. The most popular form of public transportation was mini-vans which had been turned into mini-buses. There were thousands of these.

      One day when Mary arrived at our home, she was visibly shaken. In fact, she appeared to be in shock. She immediately entered the room of her Christian Indonesian lady friend who was living in our home at that time. After a couple of hours she came out. She then told us what had happened on the way to our house.

      Mary was on a mini-van bus heading into the city. Her bus stopped and a young man got on whom she did not know. Based on the books that he was carrying and the fact that he got on at a stop near a small Christian college, she guessed that he was a Christian.

      As the mini-van bus entered the city they encountered a massive traffic jam.  The young Christian man said, “I can see that something is going to happen here.” Eventually they got to the source of the traffic jam. A group of radicals had set up a roadblock.

      When the mini-bus reached the roadblock, radical Muslim students forced it to stop.  They requested the citizen ID cards (which include a person’s religion) from all the male passengers on the bus.  The young Christian man explained that he had lost  his ID card. The radical students then demanded that he recite the Islamic Creed, "There is no God but God, and Mohammed is his prophet."  The young Christian man calmly said, "I'm sorry, I can't do that, I'm not a Muslim, I'm a follower of Jesus."

      The Muslim students then forced the young man off the bus.  They held him down and severely beat him.  They then placed his head under another vehicle behind the mini bus and told the driver to go forward.

      The driver of the other vehicle was almost certainly Muslim, but he refused to drive forward. This made the radical students angry, and they beat the young Christian man again.  As Mary's mini-bus pulled away, the last thing she saw was the Muslim students throwing the body of the young Christian man into a large sewage canal.  She assumed he was dead.

      The next day a local newspaper confirmed Mary’s story reporting the five Christians had been hospitalized as a result of being beaten at this roadblock. Setting up a roadblock and checking for Christians was not a one time thing in our city. It was called “sweeping” and occurred multiple times.

      Although Mary was from a Christian family and identified herself as a Christian, it was not clear that she really had accepted the Lord yet when she witnessed this terrible event. Almost exactly a year to the day after this event, we were blessed to witness Mary’s baptism after she wholeheartedly committed her life to Christ.

      Mary lived in a setting where Christians were often persecuted. She witnessed firsthand a traumatic case of violent persecution. But this didn’t prevent her from choosing to follow the Lord.

      We knew other Christians who experienced persecution during our years living in a Muslim nation. I’ve shared two of their stories in blog posts here and here.

      Two Applications

      What should we do in light of the Bible’s teaching about persecution and these stories which verify that this teaching still applies in the world today?  Here are some ways we should respond:

      1.  We should be encouraged to stand firm in the Lord when we are threatened with or experience persecution for following Him and living by His Word. Persecution takes many forms: slander, lost relationships, and lost income are not as severe as being beaten, imprisoned, or killed. Yet, we should not underestimate how painful and costly these less severe forms of persecution can be. When you face these, remember Jesus and stories of others who have stood firm, stories in the Bible and stories throughout history, and with God’s help stand firm.

      Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. (Eph. 6:13 NIV)

      2. We should pray, work, and give for the continued spread of the gospel in spite of strong opposition.

      We had previously suffered and been treated outrageously in Philippi, as you know, but with the help of our God we dared to tell you his gospel in the face of strong opposition. (1 Thess. 2:2 NIV)

      3. We should remember those who are suffering severe persecution. Prayer is powerful. We can pray for the persecuted. We can also give financially to support gospel ministry and Christian work in areas where there is severe persecution. Finally, we should be prepared to go if God calls us and to support others who are sent by God.

      Remember the prisoners, as though you were in prison with them, and the mistreated, as though you yourselves were suffering bodily. (Hebrews 13:3 CSB)
      This was originally a post on my blog.

       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
    • By Redder
      Hi, my name is Redder.
      I have a solid belief in Jesus Christ and I love Him very much. I am Christian and I have had my struggles with faith for a very long time until a few years ago. I am in my mid-twenties. I have a unique outlook on life, and I hope to bring that perspective to these forums. I will probably talk about taboo subjects that NEED to be talked about that isn't very prevalent in the circles I've been in recently (or ever). 
      One of my perspectives is that I am a gamer. I can see Christianity being attacked more and more in AAA games (the highest calibur of games, the most expensive, and attracts the highest audience usually) that are released every year. A few examples of this would be World of Warcraft (you've might have heard of it), with scripture being directly quoted and twisted in their cinematics.. In the YouTube Video (search on YouTube for the cinematic "Rejection of the Gift" and it should be the first video to pop up. (It won't let me link videos directly here). 
      (In the example I left, you can see the direct correlation between 2 Corinthians 5:17 and 2:07 in the video.)
       
      This is not the work of man, but is orchestrated by Satan. It is very subtle, and it is very deceiving. I'm not afraid to talk about Satan. This is spiritual warfare and I think a lot of people have forgotten that this is a war.
      There are countless other examples of Christianity being twisted (as a whole, not just 1 person) through this medium (Farcry 5, Diablo, Crowfall, etc.). I have countless examples.
      My purpose of visiting these forums is to show people the deception that is being pulled over the world by Satan (like this one example), to share my unique perspective with you (as we all do), and hopefully to discuss it. 
       
    • By He4gaveMe2
      UPDATED: I have been trying to research. And I have been praying for clarity. And maybe it will just take time for me to understand what I need to understand.
      When I became a Christian again after a very long hiatus. Like over 25 years! I learned more about the 7 gifts. (I had a pentecostal friend that told me of them in passing before I rededicated). Anyhow, I never asked for any in great depth, but said in passing in prayer I really would love to heal people for him. 
      I never pushed though, because quite frankly, I didn't want God to give me something I wasn't prepared for instead of what I asked. HA!
      But last night while I was praying I was telling him whatever his will was regarding a situation I would understand. Well, in the middle of the night I was woken up, and I was very awake. Very aware I was awake, and worried I would miss my appointment at hospital in morning if I couldn't get back to sleep, type of awake.
      Well I had a vision! *sigh* It was extremely intense. And I realized he was showing me something really important. ( not sure I should go into it unless I understand things first. Unless I should for helps sake?) Cross that bridge later in this?
      But now I am trying to discern and pray for a little bit of understanding. And Test the spirits comes to mind. But when I was calling out heavenly Father the vision over and over, it did not go away. (Even when I walked away I still called out his name in fear of spiritual things and whatever was tormenting me so to speak, it would go away immediately. Not during this vision. So, I am thinking it definitely from the Heavenly Father.
      It was about spiritual warfare that I know. I'm not sure if about me (I'm leaning toward no) or it about things coming and glimpse of what's really going on in (war in heaven) coming here. It seemed metaphorical in some parts and literal in others parts. I am so confused. For those that have this gift... What can you advise? How do you know to interpret? How do you test the spirits? I mean technically this could be the enemy coming to confuse me. 
      I could not shake the feeling it gave me all day. And I realized if indeed this was his plan all along all those years ago... And that is my gift I will take it. And I realized I don't mind. (not that I'd really have a choice if i said I'd follow his will not mine). I find it odd timing. 
      Also please understand this.. When I pray and pour my heart out.. I do it in my head. My eyes are closed. The reason I do this is because I am very aware how the enemy works and if he hears me, or sees my actions or emotions, he knows how to try to prevent me easily knowing how to mess with me.
      So now.. this gift. Or is it? When do I know to share them? How do I know it really is a gift and not deception from other end? Just how exactly do I "test" the spirits? When do I share these things I'm shown? I started a blog a bit ago, so I can help other people understand the much deeper picture. And I thought also.. great timing... I put it off awhile and then I realized I was pushed to do it. So I guess this "gift" if real will be shared there as well, if and when I get to understand better if indeed real gift.
      Am I allowed to ask for other gifts???? I really still want to heal people. Including a healing over here would be great. lol Hard to do as much as I need and want when barely functioning. 
      OK Thanks in advance for any input! :-) 
       
      A little history: 
      When I was a very young I was very sick.  In hospital a lot since a baby. But around 3 I started to see things and for some reason I calmed down when I saw something in my room in corner just standing there. I knew it was there to protect me, yet it still made me a little fearful. I had other experiences. But I was not born to Chrsitian family, so had no clue.  They didn't go to church until I was older. I became a christian when I was early teens.
      After I left home I had visions off and on. And were never wrong. Even though I wasn't Christian anymore, I still "believed" somewhat and had in back of my head. But I ended up praying and asking he take this away from me. (I never actually knew about Christian prophecy per say, and thought it was only in bible times. ) And I walked away so that would not have done anything for me or him. The ability to see was taken away as I asked.
      I was relieved! 
       
       
       
       
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