Two trbulations and the truth about them

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, ENOCH2010 said:

If the Lord had put that extra resurrection in the Bible we wouldn't be having this debate, but since it's the pre-trib crowd that pencils the extra resurrection in just to make their doctrine  sound like it has merit. I have to file that under suspect. I say the Bible has it right.

Not penciling anything in.   But there is a pre-tribulation rapture/resurrection, like it or not.

[ENOCH2010]

1 hour ago, shiloh357 said:

There is the resurrection that happens at the rapture.   Then there is the resurrection of the Tribulation saints that happens at start of the millennium.

This is not written in the Bible

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, ENOCH2010 said:

This is not written in the Bible

I thess. 4:13-14 and Rev. 20:4-6. 

[inchrist]

1 minute ago, shiloh357 said:

It's really, really simple to understand.

Yes it's very easy to understand 

 

Rev 11 a literal ressurection, with ACTUAL Christ, let that sink it

After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. 

 

at a trumpet, a literal trumpet.

 

You have nothing, you have no literal resurrection, no Christ and no literal trumpet...you have fantasy...

 

None of what you state here is found in scripture 

That is different than in Rev. 20: 4-6 where only the Tribulation believers, those who got saved during the Tribulation but were martyred or otherwise died in Christ will be raised.

You have no scripture stating there's a difference in some make belief two part first ressurection.

You have no starting point for your ressurection to even determine when a difference between one dead Christian against another dead Christian, because you can't even determine any literal ressurection or trumpet as your starting point.

 

 

 

[Guest shiloh357]

3 minutes ago, inchrist said:

Yes it's very easy to understand 

 

Rev 11 a literal ressurection, with ACTUAL Christ, let that sink it

 

That's just the resurrection of the two witnesses.  Doesn't apply here.

[ENOCH2010]

13 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Not penciling anything in.   But there is a pre-tribulation rapture/resurrection, like it or not.

There is a rapture/resurrection, but it won't be pre-trib 

[inchrist]

6 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

That's just the resurrection of the two witnesses.  Doesn't apply here.

Really they didn't die in Christ?

Resurrected At a trumpet?

With Christ in the picture?

Also judging the dead at a rev 11:18 trumpet?

A whole lot of things happening to the dead at a trumpet With Christ in the picture....

Tell me where's your literal trumpet? And literal Christ? And literal resurrection? 

[Guest shiloh357]

3 minutes ago, ENOCH2010 said:

There is a rapture/resurrection, but it won't be pre-trib 

Yes it will.   If you want to stick around for the Tribulation, that's between you and God.  I won't be joining you.

[Guest shiloh357]

3 minutes ago, inchrist said:

Really they didn't die in Christ?

 

Yes, but it doesn't apply to this discussion.  

[inchrist]

1 minute ago, shiloh357 said:

Yes, but it doesn't apply to this discussion.  

Provide scripture it doesn't..... 

Christ taught something very interesting to the Pharisees

55And when the south wind blows, you say, ‘It will be hot,’ and it is. 56You hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and sky.Why don’t you know how to interpretthe present time? 57And why don’t you judge for yourselves what is right

 

You cant interpret the times, you can't interpret the ressurection, or Christ coming, or the trumpet....because you have none of it in your pre trib doctrine

If I ask you where is it, you can't show me.

However the time of the dead at a trumpet from Rev 11:12 all the way to Rev 11:18 are being ressurected and judged.

Interpreting the times.