Revelation and the Study of Woe

[Brother Duke]

49 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

The 144,000 are the Woman who Flees to Petra in Rev. 12 and are protected for 1260 days. LOOK at Rev. 7 very closely.

Rev. 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

So the Four Angels who are given the POWER to hurt the hurt the EARTH and the SEAS are told they must WAIT until God has SEALED/Protected the 144,000 Jews. Verse 3 says Hurt not the earth, sea nor the trees until the 144,000 are SEALED or PROTECTED in the Wilderness/Petra.

I agree with this.  I think the 144K, the Two Witnesses and the Woman of Rev 12 are all the same group.  I still think they are the bride though.    That is our Pretrib vs. PostTrib differences.

Edited June 12, 2018 by Brother Duke
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[Brother Duke]

50 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Its not 144,000, its 1/3 of all the Jews who repent, the 144,000 only mean 12 x 12 x 12 which = ALL ISRAEL like Paul stated when he quoted Isaiah. The number 12 represents FULLNESS, thus 12 x 12 x 12 represents ALL ISRAEL. God orders the Angels to hold up on the Plagues of God until Israel is protected, thus they Flee from the Anti-Christ and the troubles to come. But God doesn't bring the Judgments in full until they re protected. 

I think the 144K are all of Israel but without speculation I will stick with the 144K number.  I am not saying the 144K are the only ones saved like the JWs think.  I think they are the bride/elect.  I think they help witness to the persecuted.

 

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

 

[Daniel 11:36]

"I agree with this.  I think the 144K, the Two Witnesses and the Woman of Rev 12 are all the same group.  I still think they are the bride though.    That is our Pretrib vs. PostTrib differences"

 

They are not the "bride" .... give scripture for this

[Diaste]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

It is NO WAR, Jesus speaks VICTORY just like he SPOKE Creation. We are Conquering via being with Jesus. 

Its very clear, the White Linen here IS THE CHURCH. The Church is seen in Rev. 4, 5 and 7. 

I no longer have any interest. But thanks all the same.

[Daniel 11:36]

"I no longer have any interest. But thanks all the same"

 

You should think about your standing

[Revelation Man]

38 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

"I no longer have any interest. But thanks all the same"

 

You should think about your standing

Hes a good guy, but some people just have a problem moving off of a position. We have strayed off the Woes, LOL. 

 

[Brother Duke]

2 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

"I agree with this.  I think the 144K, the Two Witnesses and the Woman of Rev 12 are all the same group.  I still think they are the bride though.    That is our Pretrib vs. PostTrib differences"

 

They are not the "bride" .... give scripture for this

Well the 144k do come back with Christ and follow him where he goes.  Oh and the Bride for an Israelite should should be a virgin and chaste.

 

What scripture do you have for a pretrib bride?

[Brother Duke]

22 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Hes a good guy, but some people just have a problem moving off of a position. We have strayed off the Woes, LOL. 

 

I use the Woes as markers along with the great earthquake.  

[Revelation Man]

24 minutes ago, Brother Duke said:

I use the Woes as markers along with the great earthquake.  

Markers for What? 

[Brother Duke]

12 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Markers for What? 

As key identifiers to tie two or more areas of scripture together.