The context of 1 Thess 5:1

[JoeCanada]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

The rule of the A/C where all follow him. The False Prophet works with him. Rev 13. The world is in a state of False peace. Israel begins sacrifice again.

In Christ

Montana Marv to me

Hi MM....

How can that be?..... Revman says that the seals don't begin to be opened until the MIDPOINT....that's 3 1/2 years after the said rapture.

So,...  are saying  that the Antichrist comes into the picture after the supposed rapture...... 3 1/2 years BEFORE the first seal is opened?

[iamlamad]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

For starters the Rapture will happen before any Seals hit, that is via the DEPARTURE in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, secondly every Christian should be able to hear the Holy Spirit, sadly that's not the case or else they hear Satan or themselves and repeat it as of the Holy Spirit. If people can't hear the Holy Spirit that is on them, God is always speaking. Seems you "GUESS" a lot. 

 

No one agrees with your Seals being opened 2000 years ago but a select few, and VERY FEW. There is a reason for that, its not of God. Revelation 5, as we went over a long time ago, has absolutely NOTHING to do with Jesus Ascending, we see the Church IN HEAVEN, which means the Rapture has already taken place. If I remember correctly you have this "THEORY" about Jesus not being in Heaven during Rev. ch. 5 because Jesus could not be found, and as I told you back then, it says Jesus couldn't be found, not only in Heaven but ON EARTH or even UNDER THE EARTH, which destroyed your whole theory, yet you have continued down that same erroneous path now a year later, even though I proved the Scriptures via that passage are not pointing to where he is or is not, else Jesus would have been NOWHERE !! But you ran with that as if its of God brother. 

The Church is in Heaven in Rev. chapters 4 and 5. The Seals are opened at the MIDWAY Point of the 70th Week. 

No one takes that 1st Century Seal being opened serious.........#PRIDE blinds us if we let it.

 

The DAy of the Lord is a long and extended period of time, which will include the entire 70th week and continue on to include the entire millennial reign of Christ.  Therefore, "the DAY" includes destruction, but rebuilding. darkness (total) but the light of His coming and presence.  The Old Testament writers only included the darkness and destruction part of the Day.  God is a God that gives SIGNS: the sign of the coming of the Day of the Lord is the sun darkened and moon turning red.  (Note: we have seen this frequently, recently!) 

"The DAY" can begin any time. It will come when people are thinking peace and safety - a day just like today. The first thing, Jesus will come, the trumpet will sound, and the dead in Christ will fly up out of their graves.  The dead rising will cause a great earthquake, which will be Paul's sudden destruction. God will call up those alive and in Christ so fast after the dead, they many only feel an earthquake beginning.  Then the church is God, the age of grace is finished, and the Day of the Lord begins.  Therefore, HIS COMING is the trigger for the Day of the Lord. And we find all this taking place at the 6th seal.

Of course, when World War 3 begins, you will imagine the first and second seals opened, when in truth it will be the end of their work, not the beginning. 

I did not write this, John did: a search was made for one worthy to take the book - but this search ended in failure. John wrote, "no man was found." Yet, after weeping much, a man WAS found: Jesus Christ. Perhaps Jesus was sleeping during the first search! Perhaps He had to take care of personal business. YOu have no answer for why He was not found in the first search John watched.  

There is no need to continue because you just ad lib, and make believe you are following scripture - and declare you alone have this "truth." 

[iamlamad]

29 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

Hi MM....

How can that be?..... Revman says that the seals don't begin to be opened until the MIDPOINT....that's 3 1/2 years after the said rapture.

So,...  are saying  that the Antichrist comes into the picture after the supposed rapture...... 3 1/2 years BEFORE the first seal is opened?

There is some period of time when the man of sin goes to war and takes down three countries and their leaders. We see that in Daniel. It is my guess this takes place during the first half of the week - while the trumpet judgments are falling.  Ignore Revman. The first five seals have been opened since the beginning of the church age. The rapture at the 6th seal ends the age of Grace and brings in the Day of the Lord.  The 7th seal begins the 70th week of Daniel.  The 7th trumpet marks the midpoint, when the man of sin is revealed as the Beast.

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

The rule of the A/C where all follow him. The False Prophet works with him. Rev 13. The world is in a state of False peace. Israel begins sacrifice again.

In Christ

Montana Marv to me

I don't think this "rule" begins until after the 7th trumpet brings the midpoint of the week, and the Dragon goes after those fleeing. I suspect the Dragon will use the now revealed Beast to go after those that flee. No one know how long after the midpoint it will be before the False Prophet shows up. 

[Montana Marv]

1 hour ago, JoeCanada said:

Hi MM....

How can that be?..... Revman says that the seals don't begin to be opened until the MIDPOINT....that's 3 1/2 years after the said rapture.

So,...  are saying  that the Antichrist comes into the picture after the supposed rapture...... 3 1/2 years BEFORE the first seal is opened?

Yes

First 42 months a time of so called peace.  People accept the Mark of the Beast. They then are able to buy and sell. Those who don't take the Mark go into bondage or are killed by the sword. They become slaves. Israel receive s the go ahead to renew animal sacrifice. An old covenant being reestablished.

Satan the first seal being kicked out of heaven. He established himself as world leader. Now chaos begins. Seals 2 years, Trumpets 1 year, Bowls last 6 months.

Work backwards, things fit better.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[JoeCanada]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

Yes

First 42 months a time of so called peace.  People accept the Mark of the Beast. They then are able to buy and sell. Those who don't take the Mark go into bondage or are killed by the sword. They become slaves. Israel receive s the go ahead to renew animal sacrifice. An old covenant being reestablished.

Satan the first seal being kicked out of heaven. He established himself as world leader. Now chaos begins. Seals 2 years, Trumpets 1 year, Bowls last 6 months.

Work backwards, things fit better.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Hi MM....

Ahhhh.....more confusion.

So the first 42 months are a time of peace....people accept the mark of the beast....they buy and sell.....some go into bondage and some are killed....slavery....Israel renews animal sacrifices......

THEN the first seal opens?.....at the midpoint?

[Montana Marv]

1 hour ago, JoeCanada said:

Hi MM....

Ahhhh.....more confusion.

So the first 42 months are a time of peace....people accept the mark of the beast....they buy and sell.....some go into bondage and some are killed....slavery....Israel renews animal sacrifices......

THEN the first seal opens?.....at the midpoint?

Now you have it right.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[JoeCanada]

49 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

Now you have it right.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Hi MM.....

You really have to think this thru.

First, there is the Resurrection/Rapture. This comes before the 70th week.

Then, 42 months are a time of peace....people accept the mark of the beast....they buy and sell.....some go into bondage and some are killed....slavery....Israel renews animal sacrifices......

....THEN the first seal opens?.....at the midpoint?

So the 42 months that follow the Resurrection/Rapture are a time of peace. Where does this peace come from.? We know that the first seal brings in the Antichrist who brings with him a false (peace) treaty. But you are saying that this does not happen till 42 months later, at the midpoint, where the first seal opens........ which brings another X number of months of peace?

How do people accept the Mark of the Beast prior to the beast being revealed.....after the midpoint of the 70th week?...prior to the seals being opened?

How does Israel renew animal sacrifices prior to the Midpoint, which is prior to the seals being opened?

Who is it that puts people into slavery....kills them.....prior to the Midpoint when the seals are opened?

There are just too many questions.......unanswerable and illogical with the Resurrection/Rapture happening before the 70th week, and then the seals not starting to be opened till the Midpoint of the 70th week.

Maybe you have some answers and logic on these questions.

[Montana Marv]

31 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

So the 42 months that follow the Resurrection/Rapture are a time of peace. Where does this peace come from.? We know that the first seal brings in the Antichrist who brings with him a false (peace) treaty. But you are saying that this does not happen till 42 months later, at the midpoint, where the first seal opens........ which brings another X number of months of peace?

Rev 13:3-5 - One of the heads of the beast seemed to have a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed.  The whole world was astonished and followed the beast.  Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast, and asked who is like the beast, who can make war against him?  The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemy and to exercise his authority for 42 months.

So when one follows, one does not rebel.  Peace for those with the Mark of the Beast.  Also Peace for Israel.  A bad time for those who do not receive the Mark of the Beast.  Similar to Israel being dragged off into captivity by king Neby.

41 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

How do people accept the Mark of the Beast prior to the beast being revealed.....after the midpoint of the 70th week?...prior to the seals being opened?

They don't, he receives a fatal wound and then is healed.  The whole world follows the beast who had the fatal wound.  Then they accept the Mark as given by the False Prophet (Rev 13 11-18)  First 42 months.

44 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

How does Israel renew animal sacrifices prior to the Midpoint, which is prior to the seals being opened?

Daniel 9:27 - He will confirm a covenant with many for One Seven.  In the middle of the Seven he will put and end to sacrifice and offering...

 

47 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

Who is it that puts people into slavery....kills them.....prior to the Midpoint when the seals are opened?

The False Prophet Rev 13:9-18.  And those who follow him and the beast.

49 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

There are just too many questions.......unanswerable and illogical with the Resurrection/Rapture happening before the 70th week, and then the seals not starting to be opened till the Midpoint of the 70th week.

There is no Post Trib Rapture.  Read Rev 9:18-21 - The rest of mankind who were not killed by the plagues did not stop worshiping demons and idols....

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Read Rev 5:8-10 - and they will reign on earth.  A promise to those in heaven before the 1st Seal is ever opened.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

JoeCanada

Do you really know what slavery (captivity) is like.  Complete domination by your owner.  Young boys and girls may become prostitutes for their owners, Church building may become temples of prostitution. Older people with no value (many on medications) will be killed, why feed someone with no value.  Families will be ripped apart. Father to Syria, Mother to Libya, children to Europe or South America.  If one can work, they can eat, if one cannot work, they die.  For they cannot buy or sell.  No property, only the clothes on their back.  And all this during the reign of A/C.  First 42 months.  Which lot would you want to be in.  Peace in the world, but severe penalties for those who do not accept the Mark of the Beast.  The the next 42 months, under the control of the Dragon, severe penalties for those with the Mark of the Beast.  World in chaos.  Rev 12:7- 13:1.

In Christ

Montana Marv