The timing of the 6th seal

[n2thelight]

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Edited July 21, 2018 by n2thelight

[n2thelight]

On 7/20/2018 at 6:22 PM, Larry 2 said:

the church isn't on earth during the 70th week.

The Church never leaves the earth,Christ comes here.

[Diaste]

On 7/20/2018 at 4:22 PM, Larry 2 said:

Hi Brother Diaste, just when do you suppose the 70th week of Daniel to be?  Psst please use scripture if you have it. I am aware there are some doctrines suggesting that the 70th week is supposed to occur during the Day of the Lord.  Thanks.  

A 7 year period that takes down the government of mankind and ushers in the new age of Theocratic rule of a loving eternal monarch.

[Diaste]

On 7/20/2018 at 10:02 AM, Heb 13:8 said:

I agree.

That was not so clever. The church isn't going anywhere so we all need to be ready. 

Jesus is coming, but first the beast.

[Larry 2]

On 7/20/2018 at 4:22 PM, Larry 2 said:

Hi Brother Diaste, just when do you suppose the 70th week of Daniel to be?  Psst please use scripture if you have it. I am aware there are some doctrines suggesting that the 70th week is supposed to occur during the Day of the Lord.  Thanks.  

 

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

A 7 year period that takes down the government of mankind and ushers in the new age of Theocratic rule of a loving eternal monarch.

To me those 490 years of Daniel appear to be all blessings that have been throughly finished according to the scripture in Dan 9:24  Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 

These seventy weeks were all promised blessings for Israel, even under Gentile rule. There is going to be another week of tribulation according to Dan 9:27, but as a dear brother in Christ Gene Hawkins wrote: "The week in Daniel 9:27 is another week, and because Israel rejected Him, this week is not going to be a week of blessing, but it is going to be a week of unparalleled judgment."

This won't change the price of rice, but it gives us cause to think on these things.

Thanks for your response.  

[Heb 13:8]

9 hours ago, Diaste said:

Jesus is coming, but first the beast.

What scripture do you see where the beast rises prior to rapture? ty.

[Heleadethme]

18 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said:

What scripture do you see where the beast rises prior to rapture? ty.

Isn't it funny how we can read a passage of scripture so many times, but not really see it, until one day by God's grace we do. 

2Th 2:3

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

[Heb 13:8]

4 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

Isn't it funny how we can read a passage of scripture so many times, but not really see it, until one day by God's grace we do. 

2Th 2:3

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Hmm, I believe this is referring to the end of the 70th week. Scripture has The Day of the Lord extending from the first seal all the way to the New Earth. - Heb.

[Steve Conley]

23 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Hmm, I believe this is referring to the end of the 70th week. Scripture has The Day of the Lord extending from the first seal all the way to the New Earth. - Heb.

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

Heb 13:8, you must not have seen Joel's prophecy concerning the cosmic sign which comes prior to the day of the LORD. It is that cosmic sign that John sees at the opening of the sixth seal. This places the day of the Lord starting after the sixth seal not with the first seal.

Joe 2:31  The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

Act 2:20  The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

Rev 6:12  And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13  And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14  And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15  And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16  And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17  For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

There is another way that we know that the day of the Lord didn't start with the first seal. It is what John sees at the opening of the 5th seal. He sees martyrs crying out for God to avenge their murders. However, they are told that vengeance would have to wait for a little season until others are martyred also. So God's wrath is yet to fall at the opening of the fifth seal.

Rev 6:9  And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10  And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11  And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

It should be no surprise because Paul clearly said that the day that the church rests from persecution will be the day that God begins to tribulate our persecutors. The day that God executes vengeance upon those who put the saints to death is the day of the Lord.

2Th 1:6  Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7  And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8  In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9  Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10  When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Luk 18:7  And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
Luk 18:8  I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

The day of the Lord does take up the last portion of the week, but it will be at least six months (the 5th trumpet judgement alone takes up 5 months) and maybe over three years. The length of the period of God's wrath will be determined by when the great tribulation is shortened. Jesus said it will be shortened to save some of the elect alive. The Beast continues for his given 42 months, however, the Lord removes the object of the Beast's persecution, the church, effectively ending the unprecedented persecution that Jesus called great tribulation.

Maybe this visual will help.

Hallelujah

[Heb 13:8]

3 hours ago, Steve Conley said:

This places the day of the Lord starting after the sixth seal not with the first seal.

Greetings, and thank you for post! The day of the Lord is not referring to just one day, context is important here...

Rapture - 1Th 5:2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

Second Coming - 2Th 2:3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

New Earth - 2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

God bless. ?