Why so much disagreement on the start of THE DAY?

[iamlamad]

20 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Nothing I understand about Revelation or the end times is off because I only relay what the holy spirit actually teaches me, I am not just "GUESSING" like most others I see. You have the rapture partially right, but most everything else you just seem to get on the wrong road via wrong turns, its OK to be wrong if we learn from our bad understandings, but to stand still in these errors, when being corrected by the holy spirit is just mind numbing to me. Which is why I do not like to chew my cabbage twice most the times with these types. Its just a waste sadly. 

I mean the 7th Trumpet being the MoW is just an astonishing statement. The MoW of the 70th WEEK MIND YOU...........(According to you) comes near the end at the 7th Trumpet which is the LAST WOE, which is ALL SEVEN Vials. Israel have already been protected for over 1100 days...........but its supposedly the MoW. Its just astonishing, the lack of basic math and logic can only be cause by ENTRENCHED IDEAS !! Come on brother, it can't be the Middle of the Week.

Its like you guys put the horse before the cart and then try to justify it, its just never going to work. All because Revelation has "GOT TO BE" in order even though IT DON'T GOT TO BE" in order. FIRST MISTAKE leads to a multitude of mistakes.

I understand why your rebuts are so short, you can't argue against my facts brother. So you make one quip and move on, which means you lose the argument by default. 

Nothing has been opened and you will see and understand that when you get to heaven brother. 

We see the Church in Heaven and Jesus is about to open the Seals. Again, starting with bad info leads us down wrong turns. 

I know, you imagine you are the only one here that hears from the Holy Spirit. But that is only your imagination! Others here hear from the Holy Spirit as well: He was sent to the church. 

Sorry, I don't waste my time on people who think they know, when in fact, they don't. 

For example, the 7th trumpet IS NOT the 7 vials. That is silly to think, even worse to write. The 7th trumpet is a marker in time: it marks the midpoint.  I will say this thought: the vials are not going to be poured out until the 7th trumpet is sounded. By the way, how long a sounding to you imagine? A trumpet blast is seconds long and then it is finished.  

Sorry, my brother, but your "facts" are mostly figments. It is the truth.  

Did you know know that the Hebrew word translated "midst" in Dan. 9:27 means to divide in half?  Daniel is telling us that the event that will stop the daily sacrifices will do so in the exact middle of the week. He called this the abomination that makes desolate. John proves this twice with his 1260 day count.  Then Jesus told them that when those in Judea see this abomination, they are to flee quickly.  Therefore, this fleeing the abomination will be only a second or two after the abomination that divides the week. And WHERE do we see this fleeing begin? It is 12:6 - right after the 7th trumpet. So there is concrete, scriptural proof of this - which makes me wonder why you fight against it so. Could it be preconceived glasses has struck again? You think you know, when in reality you don't. But you do seem to have a good imagination.  Oh, another example, the book IS in Chronological order. Don't doubt me on this!  Its just another example you provide of thinking you know when in fact you don't. 

You make statements that are simply not true, because you lack understanding of what is true.  The truth is, the first five seals have been opened, but your preconceived glasses prevent you from seeing it. Go back to chapter 5 and read it again! You are missing the KEY: chapter 5 shows TIMING. Ask yourself, WHEN did Jesus ascend and send the Holy Spirit down? You know the right answer! However, you wish to put your OWN meaning to what John wrote. 

Have we arrived at the DAy of the Lord yet, and God's wrath? NO! Are there still people being added to the number of the martyrs of the church age? YES!

If I were you, I would take off your preconceived glasses, and throw all your theories into file 13, and start over. And this time BELIEVE what John wrote. THE DAY begins at the 6th seal, so all the trumpets are a part of THE DAY and of God's wrath.  Can you imagine God would kill 1/3 of earth's population (6th trumpet) and it NOT be wrath? 

[Revelation Man]

14 hours ago, iamlamad said:

No, He was raised to heaven around 95 AD - way to early for the Day of the Lord. What he saw was a vision or visions of the Day of the Lord. 

You are miles off: the DAY starts at the 6th seal, not the first seal. The first seal was opened around 32 AD and is to represent the church sent out with the gospel. 

Ummm no, he saw a vision about the future, John was not raised to Heaven in 95 AD, No Flesh can enter Heaven.

No, Gods Wrath starts with the very first Seal, Jesus opens the SEALS.......ALL of them. None of the Seals have been opened, that is not even up for discussion with me, its really weird to me that people think any of the Seals have been opened, it just shows a lack of biblical understanding to me, personally. 

14 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I know, you imagine you are the only one here that hears from the Holy Spirit. But that is only your imagination! Others here hear from the Holy Spirit as well: He was sent to the church. 

 

I never say that, that comes from your lips/typing. I hear the holy spirit clearly, others do also, but many do not, that is why we have so many different viewpoints on things, when there is ONE TRUTH, we have 100's of beliefs on these TRUTHS of God, which tell us that MANY don't hear from the holy spirit or we would have agreement, not disagreements. That's obvious, that's why I see these things, I see the facts, thus there must be many who aren't hearing the Spirit, you see that I am saying only I hear the Spirit, I spoke a TRUTH, and you twisted it, maybe unintentionally, maybe not, I have no idea as per motive, all I know is if there are many ideas and understandings, then there must be many not hearing the holy spirit, and I understand His voice, you want me to lie and say I don't understand his voice ? 

So you need to start dealing in reality, stop the half truths brother. I never stated others don't hear the holy spirit, I stated I do, thus take it anyway you want to, but many people agree with me on many things here, many do not even chat here, they see what I see, a bunch of people not called to prophecy, thus they are trying to be a leg when God called them to be an arm. When you get to heaven, recheck my witness, you will see I speak that which I hear, not things of my own understandings. That means no seals have been broken, that's just a fact, and what others think is "on them", but I was called to preach the truth, I am not a MAN PLEASER, I could care less what men think. 

14 hours ago, iamlamad said:

 For example, the 7th trumpet IS NOT the 7 vials. That is silly to think, even worse to write. The 7th trumpet is a marker in time: it marks the midpoint.  I will say this thought: the vials are not going to be poured out until the 7th trumpet is sounded. By the way, how long a sounding to you imagine? A trumpet blast is seconds long and then it is finished.  

 

Of course you have to follow your men's traditions, I follow the holy spirit, so men's traditions is not in my vocabulary. 

I can break it down where anyone that tries should be able to understand it, the thing is a lot of times I have other ideas, its revelation that is given unto me, I am willing to hear that still voice, I think way too many people could hear what I hear, but THEIR IDEAS are too important, I was that way for many, many years, then I learned to be able to HEAR, you have to be able to PUT OFF old ideas, the holy spirit reveals things when He wants to and to whom will hear him, and to whom will put off their own ideas, He can't reveal things to men with pride, who cling to their own ideas.

The EXPLANATION of why the 7th Trump is the 7 Seals. Its really not that complicated. 

Rev. 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. 3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. 6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 

So what is the Seventh Seal ? We understand the first four seals is the Anti-Christ being released along with famine/death via his hands. We understand the 5th seal is the Martyrs of the Tribulation period, and that the 6th seal is when God shows his supernatural plagues to the world, even though His Wrath started with the very First Seal, those wicked men on earth just now realize that they are in the Day of the Lord Gods Wrath. 

Thus the Seventh Seal is what ? The 7th Seal is opened and we get SILENCE while the Seven Angels await their Trumps that are given unto them by God Himself !! Then the Prayers of he Saints/Incense ascended unto Gods nostrils, then another Angel took the censor and FILLED IT with the FIRE of the Alter and cast it back down unto earth as JUDGMENTS !! Then the Seven Angels who were awaiting their Trumps SOUNDED !! The first Angel souded and there was HAIL mingled with FIRE and BLOOD and a 3rd part of the trees were burnt up and all the grasses were burnt up. Then we get the 2nd Trumpet of Judgments, the 3rd Trumpet of Judgments, the 4th Trumpet of Judgments followed by WHAT ? Three Trumpets of Woes !! WATCH BELOW: 

Rev. 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

You catch that ? I am not smart enough to figure this out, God gave it to me because I sought it with all my heart !!

The Trumpet Judgments are divided into four Trumpet Judgments that bring forth Judgments in 1/3's and then there are THREE WOES that come from the Final Three Trumpets...........do you see that brother ? I am not just guessing that the 7th Trump is a Woe, I KNOW IT TO BE FACT !! God revealed this unto me, and I chose to receive it as truth, the scriptures can not lie brother. 

So there are THREE Woes to come via the THREE Trumpets left to be sounded/blown. 

Rev. 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Rev. 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.

Rev. 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

Now chapter 11 brings us in on a clue, the Two-witnesses have been praying down these plagues, remember above in chapter 8 verses 3 and 4 where it says the PRAYERS of the Saints came before God ? Well that was the Prayers of the Two-witnesses who were given all manner of power to pray down plagues and to cause...................Well lets just look and see..................Rev. 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Thus when the 2nd Woe is over, the Two-witnesses are killed by the Beast Apollyon, that ascended from the bottomless pit. BUT.....the prayers they have heretofore prayed are still in motion/being acted upon by God, they have prayed for the 3rd Woe to come forth before they die, thus even though they die, we are told about the 7th Trumpet blowing, which brings forth the 3rd Woe !! Because that was a part of their Ministry on earth !! To pray down the 3rd Woe.

Rev. 11:12 And they (Two-witnesses) heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

What are the LAST THREE Woes again ? The Three Trumps REMEMBER  Rev. 8:13 ? So then, what COMETH QUICKLY ? The 3rd Woe, which is the 7th Trumpet, just like I have been telling you and others, but you guys will not receive it, even though its DOCUMENTED SCRIPTURALLY !! 

BEHOLD THE THIRD WOE COMETH QUICKLY.........THEN WE GET THIS !!

Rev. 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; ( THIS IS THE THIRD WOE ) and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

We are told what the 3rd Woe brings to pass, that is Jesus Takes over, thus the 7th Trumpet is the 3rd Woe, and the 3rd Woe is ALL SEVEN VIALS, the very last of which is Jesus defeating the Beast and Satan and taking over the deed from them. Just like the 2nd Woes Judgments are shown in chapter 9, but spoken of in chapter 11, LIKEWISE, the 3rd Woe is mentioned in Rev. chapter 11, but the ACTUAL JUDGMENTS are show in chapter 16. 

REMEMBER Revelation 8:13, the LAST THREE Woes............................ARE.....................the LAST THREE Trumpets !! So when the 7th Trumpet sounds, that is the LAST WOE !! Since the 7 Trumpets come out of the 7th Seal, and the LAST WOE is the 7 Vials, all of Gods Wrath comes forth from the Seven Seals !! Amen. 

 

Edited September 4, 2018 by Revelation Man

[n2thelight]

7 hours ago, iamlamad said:

No, He was raised to heaven around 95 AD - way to early for the Day of the Lord. What he saw was a vision or visions of the Day of the Lord. 

You are miles off: the DAY starts at the 6th seal, not the first seal. The first seal was opened around 32 AD and is to represent the church sent out with the gospel. 

He was in the SPIRIT on the LORDS DAY

Revelation 4:1 "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

"After this", is after the vision of the seven churches have been instructed; in which two of those churches were on the right track, and of the other five churches Jesus was displeased with. Two churches had the doctrines of Christ in them, and they knew who the "Kenites" are, and where they came. They knew the Kenites were of the synagogue of Satan and claimed to be Jews, when in fact they were lying and not Jews at all.

Jesus said, if you understand what the churches of Smyrna and Philadelphia understood, and followed it, it is worth a crown of life to you.

This chapter starts out, "After this [after the messages to the churches] I looked, behold a door was opened in heaven:" This door is not on earth where the seven churches are, but in heaven. John is being carried from the Isle of Patmos to a specific time, or "earth dispensation" in the heavenlies. The key to understanding when this time period was, go to Revelation 1:10. "I was in the spirit on the Lord's day:" This is not in reference to a Saturday or Sunday. This is a record given by Jesus to John of events that will happen just before, or following that day. "That day" is the day of the sounding of the seventh trumpet when Jesus Christ returns.

John has already addressed the churches on the earth; then he looked up, and this door to heaven has opened. Now we can see through John's spiritual eyes and pen, what events are taking place there on the "day of the Lord", only the location of this event is in heaven.

"The first voice which I heard..." Who is this "I" in verse one? Of course it's John, the one writing this. Have you ever heard John referred to as "the Church"? Absolutely not. There is no church in heaven; not at this point. However, there will be, for heaven is where ever God is, and at the appointed time He is coming here to earth. Then there will be one church, one gathering place where the called-out ones shall meet.

"...I heard as it were of a trumpet"; [This is the last trumpet] "...talking with me,". The voice here is not speaking to the church, but it is directed to John. "Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be here after." That refers to the "day" that is after our subject, "The Lords Day". "I will shew thee [John, singular]", transporting John and John only, in the spirit to this certain place in heaven.

There is no church in this verse going anyplace. There is only John being taken to heaven in the spirit, and hearing a voice like a trumpet calling him up. John was taken from 90 A.D. to a time beyond this year, 1994; for we are living in the final generation. The whole purpose for John writing this entire book of Revelation is to warn the people of this generation of the great deception the Antichrist, and his system would bring upon the earth before Jesus Christ's return. We are living in the generation of the "parable of the fig tree" and that is why Jesus told us to learn it, so that we would not be deceived.

This fourth chapter then tells us what is going to happen after this generation on the "Day of the Lord" in heaven.

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, n2thelight said:

He was in the SPIRIT on the LORDS DAY

Revelation 4:1 "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

"After this", is after the vision of the seven churches have been instructed; in which two of those churches were on the right track, and of the other five churches Jesus was displeased with. Two churches had the doctrines of Christ in them, and they knew who the "Kenites" are, and where they came. They knew the Kenites were of the synagogue of Satan and claimed to be Jews, when in fact they were lying and not Jews at all.

Jesus said, if you understand what the churches of Smyrna and Philadelphia understood, and followed it, it is worth a crown of life to you.

This chapter starts out, "After this [after the messages to the churches] I looked, behold a door was opened in heaven:" This door is not on earth where the seven churches are, but in heaven. John is being carried from the Isle of Patmos to a specific time, or "earth dispensation" in the heavenlies. The key to understanding when this time period was, go to Revelation 1:10. "I was in the spirit on the Lord's day:" This is not in reference to a Saturday or Sunday. This is a record given by Jesus to John of events that will happen just before, or following that day. "That day" is the day of the sounding of the seventh trumpet when Jesus Christ returns.

John has already addressed the churches on the earth; then he looked up, and this door to heaven has opened. Now we can see through John's spiritual eyes and pen, what events are taking place there on the "day of the Lord", only the location of this event is in heaven.

"The first voice which I heard..." Who is this "I" in verse one? Of course it's John, the one writing this. Have you ever heard John referred to as "the Church"? Absolutely not. There is no church in heaven; not at this point. However, there will be, for heaven is where ever God is, and at the appointed time He is coming here to earth. Then there will be one church, one gathering place where the called-out ones shall meet.

"...I heard as it were of a trumpet"; [This is the last trumpet] "...talking with me,". The voice here is not speaking to the church, but it is directed to John. "Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be here after." That refers to the "day" that is after our subject, "The Lords Day". "I will shew thee [John, singular]", transporting John and John only, in the spirit to this certain place in heaven.

There is no church in this verse going anyplace. There is only John being taken to heaven in the spirit, and hearing a voice like a trumpet calling him up. John was taken from 90 A.D. to a time beyond this year, 1994; for we are living in the final generation. The whole purpose for John writing this entire book of Revelation is to warn the people of this generation of the great deception the Antichrist, and his system would bring upon the earth before Jesus Christ's return. We are living in the generation of the "parable of the fig tree" and that is why Jesus told us to learn it, so that we would not be deceived.

This fourth chapter then tells us what is going to happen after this generation on the "Day of the Lord" in heaven.

This is all a "theory." It does misses the truth in several places. First, John TELLS US FLAT OUT where the Day of the Lord starts. But you don't believe John so you miss the truth.  Then you miss it on "the last trump" of Paul, which will be the last trumpet on the FEAST OF TRUMPETS in some year. I disagree therefore with your post. 

[iamlamad]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Ummm no, he saw a vision about the future, John was not raise to Heaven in 95 AD, No Flesh can enter Heaven.

No, Gods Wrath starts with the very first Seal, Jesus opens the SEALS.......ALL of them. None of the Seals have been opened, that is not even up for discussion with me, its really weird to me that people think any of the Seals have been opened, it just shows a lack of biblical understanding to me. 

I never say that, that comes from your lips/typing. I hear the holy spirit clearly, others do also, but many do not, that is why we have so many different viewpoints on things, when there is ONE TRUTH, we have 100's of beliefs on these TRUTHS of God, which tell us that MANY don't hear from the holy spirit or we would have agreement, not disagreements. That's obvious, that's why I see these things, I see the facts, thus there must be many who aren't hearing the Spirit, you see that I am saying only I hear the Spirit, I spoke a TRUTH, and you twisted it, maybe unintentionally, maybe not, I have no idea as per motive, all I know is if there are many ideas and understandings, then there must be many not hearing the holy spirit, and I understand His voice, you want me to lie and say I don't understand his voice ? 

So you need to start dealing in reality, stop the half truths brother. I never stated others don't hear the holy spirit, I stated I do, thus take it anyway you want to, but many people agree with me on many things here, many do not even chat here, they see what I see, a bunch of people not called to prophecy, thus they are trying to be a leg when God called them to be an arm. When you get to heaven, recheck my witness, you will see I speak that which I hear, not things of my own understandings. That means no seals have been broken, that's just a fact, and what others think is on them, but I was called to preach the truth, I am not a MAN PLEASER, I could care less what men think. 

Of course you have to follow your men's traditions, I follow the holy spirit, so men's traditions is not in my vocabulary. 

I can break it down where anyone that tries should be able to understand it, the thing is a lot of times I have other ideas, its revelation that that is given unto me, I am willing to hear that still voice, I think way too many people could hear what I hear, but THEIR IDEAS are too important, I was that way for many, many years, then I learned to be able to HEAR, you have to be able to PUT OFF old ideas, the holy spirit reveals things when He wabts to and to whom will hear him, and put off their own ideas, He can't reveal things to men with pride.

The EXPLANATION of why the 7th Trump us the 7 Seals. Its really not that complicated. 

Rev. 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. 3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. 6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 

So what is the Seventh Seal ? We understand the first four seals is the Anti-Christ being released along with famine/death via his hands. We understand the 5th seal is the Martyrs of the Tribulation period, and that the 6th seal is when God shows his supernatural plagues to the world, even though His Wrath started with the very First Seal, those wicked men on earth just now realize that they are in the Day of the Lord Gods Wrath. 

This the Seventh Seal is what ? The 7th Seal is opened and we get SILENCE while the Seven Angels await their Trumps that are given unto them by God Himself !! Then the Prayers of he Saints/Incense ascended unto Gods nostrils, then another Angel took the censor and FILLED IT with the FIRE of the Alter and cast it back down unto earth as JUDGMENTS !! Then the Seven Angels who were awaiting their Trumps SOUNDED !! There was HAIL mingled with FIRE and BLOOD and a 3rd part of the trees were burnt up and all the grasses were burnt up. Then we get the 2nd Trumpet of Judgments, the 3rd Trumpet of Judgments, the 4th Trumpet of Judgments followed by WHAT ? Three Trumpets of Woes !! WATCH BELOW: 

Rev. 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

You catch that ? I am not smart enough to figure this out, God gave it to me because I sought it with all my heart !!

The Trumpet Judgments are divided into four Trumpets Judgments that bring forth Judgments in 1/3's and then there are THREE WOES that come from the Final Three Trumpets...........do you see that brother ? I am not just guessing that the 7th Trump is a Woe, I KNOW IT TO BE FACT !! God revealed this unto me, and I chose to receive it as truth, the scriptures can not lie brother. 

So there are THREE Woes to come via the THREE Trumpets left to be sounded/blown. 

Rev. 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Rev. 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.

Rev. 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

Now chapter 11 brings us in on a clue, the Two-witnesses have been praying down these plagues, remember above in chapter 8 verses 3 and 4 where it says the PAYERS of the Saints came before God ? Well that was the Prayers of the Two-witnesses who were given all manner of power to pray down plagues and to cause............Well lets just look and see..............Rev. 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Thus when the 2nd Woe is over, the Two-witnesses are killed by the Beast Apollyon, that ascended from the bottomless pit. BUT.....the prayers they have heretofore prayed are still in motion, they have prayed for the 3rd Woe to com forth before they die, thus even though they die, we are told about the 7th Trumpet blowing, which brings forth the 3rd Woe !! Because that was a part of their Ministry on earth !! 

Rev. 11:12 And they (Two-witnesses) heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

What are the LAST THREE Woes again ? The Three Trumps REMEMBER  Rev. 8:13 ? Sp the what COMETH QUICKLY ? The 3rd Woe, which is the 7th Trumpet, just like I have been telling you and others, but you guys will not receive it, even though its DOCUMENTED SCRIPTURALLY !! 

BEHOLD THE THIRD WOE COMETH QUICKLY.........THEN WE GET THIS !!

Rev. 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; ( THIS IS THE THIRD WOE ) and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

We are told what the 3rd Woe brings to pass, that is Jesus Takes over, thus the 7th Trumpet is the 3rd Woe, and the 3rd Woe is ALL SEVEN VIALS, the very last of which is Jesus defeating the Beast and Satan and taking over the deed from them. Just like the 2nd Woes Judgments are shown in chapter 9, but spoken of in chapter 11, LIKEWISE, the 3rd Woe is mentioned in Rev. chapter 11, but the ACTUAL JUDGMENTS are show in chapter 16. 

REMEMBER Revelation 8:13, the LAST THREE Woes............................ARE.....................the LAST THREE Trumpets !! So when the 7th Trumpet sounds, that is the LAST WOE !! Since the 7 Trumpets come out of the 7th Seal, and the LAST WOE is the 7 Vials, all of Gods Wrath comes forth from the Seven Seals !! Amen. 

 

As usual, you missed in on your first point: John DID go to heaven, but it was his spirit that went.  By now, billions of people have entered heaven, in or by their spirit. Their body stayed here. Paul tells us he visited heaven.  God has taken many people over the past 20 years or so to heaven to show it off - so people will know it is real. But these he sent back to earth.  I don't think anyone has ever said that John went to heaven in body form. But even that is possible - because God could change our fiesh body into a spirit body and back again with no problems. 

You are dogmatic about the seals but you are dogmatically WRONG. You are using human reasoning looking through preconceived glasses. In fact, and in truth, John TELLS US when the first seals were opened, which you will finally learn.  Again, go back and study chapter 5. Think about TIME when you do. But take off your preconceived glasses! Ask yourself, WHEN? WHEN did Jesus ascend and WHEN did He send the Holy Spirit down.  While you are answering that, answer these questions too: WHY was Jesus not seen at the right hand of the Father in chapter 4? WHY was Jesus not found in the FIRST search John watched - that ended in failure?  Until you can answer these questions correctly you will continue to be wrong on the first seals and on their timing.  The lack of biblical understanding is all on your side here. Oh, you have theories, but they are wrong. 

It remains a mystery to me why people don't believe John when he TELLS US where the Day of the Lord starts. Please, read the last verse of chapter 6 and BELIEVE IT.  

My point is, because you imagine everyone else here is wrong and only you have the truth, then in your mind, only you (on this thread) are hearing properly from the Holy Spirit.  The truth is, you may be hearing, but the Holy Spirit is not going to tell one person one thing and another person the opposite thing on the same verse!  You have heard, and so you write, but what you write is error, since it does not follow the scriptures. Your theories have been in the church for many years, but that does not make them right.  You have completely missed the intent of the Author in chapters 4 & 5, so your entire foundation is off. 

You spoke what you IMAGINE Is truth.  You use this word, "truth" very loosly. Your "truth" cannot be backed up by good exegesis of the Word. Case in point: the timing of the first seals, or the timing of the start of the Day of the Lord.  The real truth then, is you THINK you are hearing from the Holy Spirit. If I could hazard a guess, you have bypassed Acts 1 and 2 in your Christian walk. Please tell me if my guess is right or wrong.

When we do all get to heaven, you will find out the many places where you were in error, not understanding and not believing what John wrote.

Of course you have to follow your men's traditions  No I don't.  You imagine that because what I write disagrees with what you write, and you imagine you are correct in what you write. i know His PURPOSE in chapters 4 & 5, but you have missed it completely! Chapters 4 & 5 are to set the TIMING for the first seals. This is, in fact, His exact words to me: "It shows timing." Now there is a golden nugget of truth offered freely to assist you. His next words were, "It also shows the movement of time." Another truth concerning the vision or part of the vision we see written in chapters 4 & 5. You see, when I hear from God, I hear WORDS and I can repeat them. This is not the ONLY way God can teach us, but it is ONE way. 

A seal is something put on a document to prevent unauthorized people from reading the document. Once a seal is opened, it is no longer a seal. It may be just wax forever more. The 7th seal is a MARKER. There is another nugget of TRUTH for you: that is HIS WORD, not my word. The 7th seal MARKS the official start of the 70th week of Daniel.  Jesus will break it or open it when the man of sin confirms a covenant. 2520 days from the opening of the 7th seal, the 7th vial will be poured out, ENDING the 70th week.  The 7 trumpets then are NOT a "part" of the 7th seal. But they do follow or come AFTER the 7th seal. The 7th seal marks the starting point of the week, so the 7 trumpets will sound in the first half of the week, but the 7th trumpet will sound and it will END its sound, marking the exact midpoint. Just so you know, it will also mark the end of the 6000 year earth lease given to Adam. That is why at the 7th trumpet Michael goes after Satan to take him down. that is why the kingdoms of the world are taken from Satan and given to Jesus Christ at this time. Satan's only hold on earth was the lease given to Adam that Satan usurped. When that lease terminates, Satan loses. 

We understand the first four seals is the Anti-Christ being released along with famine/death via his hands. And you have completely missed the intent of the Author, because you don't understand His purpose in chapters 4  & 5. Therefore your understanding is faulty, not following the scriptures. I suggest you study who is the "THEM" in 6:8. 

We understand the 5th seal is the Martyrs of the Tribulation period  Again your understanding is faulty! And again it is because you have failed to understand chapters 4 &* 5, which are the CONTEXT of the seals. Miss the context, or pull verses OUT of their context, and you can imagine a verse says anything.  Please, put the first seal back into its context! Throw away your preconceptions and study the CONTEXT of the first seal. Until you understand that, you will never understand this part of John's vision.  By the way, those were HIS WORDS to me. 

the 6th seal is when God shows his supernatural plagues to the world  Wrong yet again!  There is no wrath at the 5th seal for the martyrs of the church age! What? Do you imagine God is angry with the Martyrs? You amaze me. Do you imagine God is angry with His infant church, sent out to take the Gospel to the nations? That is the first seal IN CONTEXT.  Well, you have missed almost every point so far.  By the way, just to assist your thinking a little, the SIGNS for the Day, given at the 6th seal, will not be shown months or years AFTER the DAY has started. What kind of a God do you imagine we serve? He will show the SIGNS of the DAY before the Day starts, EXACTLY as Joel 2 tells us. Apparently you don't believe Joel either. Don't take my word for it! Go back and see that Joel used the word "BEFORE." That is a TIMING word that carries meaning. 

Then the Seven Angels who were awaiting their Trumps SOUNDED !!  ANOTHER ERROR! Did you catch it?

We all know the three woes are the last three trumpets. But many don't know that the 3rd woe is not the 7th trumpet per se, but AT the 7th trumpet, Satan is cast down to earth, very angry, and THIS is the third woe. "Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath"

that was the Prayers of the Two-witnesses who were given all manner of power to pray down plagues  Wrong yet again! It seems you have very little concept of TIME. The two witnesses time on earth will be the LAST HALF of the week. When these prayers of the saints are heard, it is the first half of the week and the two witnesses are still in heaven waiting for their time.

when the 2nd Woe is over, the Two-witnesses are killed  Yet another error, because you don't understand John's TIMING. You have them killed before they arrive on earth! listen closely and learn: in Rev. 11:3 the two witnesses suddenly SHOW UP on earth. That will be just before the midpoint of the week! Before that they were in heaven waiting for their proper time. Wake up and realize 11:4 through 11:13 are written as a parenthesis and so out of John's line of chronology. In reality they will be killed just 3 1/2 days before the 7th vial that ends the week. 

Since the 7 Trumpets come out of the 7th Seal, and the LAST WOE is the 7 Vials, all of Gods Wrath comes forth from the Seven Seals !! Amen.  You can "amen" all you want, but everything in this sentence is error! The truth is, the 7th seal is opened AND THEN the document the seals were protecting can be opened! The 7th seal makes it POSSIBLE for the 7 trumpets because the 7 trumpets are what is written INSIDE the document. But they are not a "part" of the 7th seal. The 7th seal is nothing more than the last seal sealing the document. 

Please tell us, is there "woe" for those on earth (including the saints) because the earth becomes the possession of our Lord? I don't see any woe in that!  The real woe is what HAPPENS at the 7th trumpet: Satan is cast down. And John wrote WOE. But if anyone says the third woe is the 7th trumpet, I will not argue. The truth is, it is what HAPPENS or what is releases when the 5, 6th and 7th trumpets are sounded that is the woe.. And for the 7th, John tells us the woe is Satan being cast down. 

For someone that thinks they know, you certainly have a lot of errors in your post. Did you ever march in the army? If a soldier starts off on the wrong foot, his marching will be wrong from that point on!  You really should go back to the foundation, the CONTEXT of the first seals, and understand what God is telling us. 

[Revelation Man]

On 9/3/2018 at 9:29 PM, iamlamad said:

Did you know know that the Hebrew word translated "midst" in Dan. 9:27 means to divide in half?  Daniel is telling us that the event that will stop the daily sacrifices will do so in the exact middle of the week.

You just do not understand how to delineate the scriptures as per their true meaning sir. Getting away from the word "MIDST" which you insist means the EXACT MIDDLE, which I am not convinced of via my studies, nevertheless changes nothing about my understandings. The False Prophet places the Image of the Beast into the Temple. Notice how it divides the AoD and the Sacrifice being taken away.

Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

So why are they shown in this manner ? The Daily Sacrifice is TAKEN AWAY by the Beast when he comes to power it seems, the AoD is set up by the False Prophet 30 days before the Beast comes to power, at the 1290. Thus we get from the time the Sacrifice is taken away AND the Abomination of Desolation is set up. Kind of like Dan. 9:25 where many people seem to confuse because of the AND !!

Dan. 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

The AND above delineates TWO SEPARATE EVENTS, the 7 Weeks and the 62 Weeks. Likewise the Daily sacrifice AND the AoD are TWO SEPARATE EVENTS.

The Daily is taken away by the Beast because he of course will seek to be worshiped as the ONLY GOD !! AND..........the Abomination of Desolation being added to the equation makes it 1290 days until Jesus' return, whereas it would just be 1260 days via the former only. 

On 9/3/2018 at 9:29 PM, iamlamad said:

He called this the abomination that makes desolate. John proves this twice with his 1260 day count.  Then Jesus told them that when those in Judea see this abomination, they are to flee quickly.  Therefore, this fleeing the abomination will be only a second or two after the abomination that divides the week. And WHERE do we see this fleeing begin? It is 12:6 - right after the 7th trumpet. So there is concrete, scriptural proof of this - which makes me wonder why you fight against it so. Could it be preconceived glasses has struck again? You think you know, when in reality you don't. But you do seem to have a good imagination.  Oh, another example, the book IS in Chronological order. Don't doubt me on this!  Its just another example you provide of thinking you know when in fact you don't. 

I don't know why I am even replying tbh, anyone that has the 7th Trumpet at the Middle of the week is just way, way off. The book is not in Chronological order, when you get to heaven you will be told the facts I suppose, whilst God tells you that you are one hard headed dude. The 7th Trumpet being at the (MoW), now that os an imagination for sure.

On 9/3/2018 at 9:29 PM, iamlamad said:

You make statements that are simply not true, because you lack understanding of what is true.  The truth is, the first five seals have been opened, but your preconceived glasses prevent you from seeing it. Go back to chapter 5 and read it again! You are missing the KEY: chapter 5 shows TIMING. Ask yourself, WHEN did Jesus ascend and send the Holy Spirit down? You know the right answer! However, you wish to put your OWN meaning to what John wrote. 

 

Not worthy to be argued against as per the 5 Seals being opened, that is naivete brother...............Jesus ascending has nothing to do with chapters 4 and 5, I have proven you wrong on this time and again, you choose to believe that because Jesus was supposedly not seen in Heaven, therefore he must have ascended afterwards, but your whole theory FALLS APART because it also states he was also not found on EARTH or even UNDER THE EARTH.......So according to your thesis, Jesus was NOWHERE, which totally destroys your point, thereby making your whole point moot. Jesus was clearly in heaven as the Slain Lamb. Then when the First Seal is opened the Wrath of God is brought forth, and its Jesus that opens the Seals, in the future. 

On 9/3/2018 at 9:29 PM, iamlamad said:

 Have we arrived at the DAy of the Lord yet, and God's wrath? NO! Are there still people being added to the number of the martyrs of the church age? YES!

 

The Martyrs in Rev. chapter 6 are ALL from the Tribulation or 70th Week (whatever you want to call it). This is a PROVEN FACT, Rev. 20:4 tells you this, they were alive when the BEAST was alive. Rev. ch. 6 tells us they want VENGEANCE on those that LIVE ON EARTH !! As in "currently" at that time !! How many times must we point this out to you before it registers, or do you just close your eyes and say NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NA, NA, NA, NA, NA ? WATCH CLOSELY !

Rev. 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

So those MARTYRS under the Alter want VENGEANCE on those that DWELL ON EARTH !! Meaning they were KILLED by people that are STILL ALIVE at that time !! Then we see that Jesus tells them they must remain where they are UNTIL all their brothers are killed in LIKE MANNER as they were.......The Beasts 42 Month Rule must first come to pass, then they will be judged (Rev. 20:4).

Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

So those who were BEHEADED/Martyred for Christ/Word of God, in BOTH PASSAGES, had to have been alive during the 70th Week/Tribulation period. They want VENGEANCE on those that DWELL ON EARTH..........AND they will be Judged in Rev. 20:4, and they are DEEMED TO NOT HAVE, Worshiped the Beast, nor his IMAGE, nor taken the Mark of the Beast in their foreheads..........These can ONLY BE Tribulation Saints, because the Beast only rules for 42 months. 

So you do not even seem to get this right brother, I always have my i's dotted and my t's crossed. 

On 9/3/2018 at 9:29 PM, iamlamad said:

 If I were you, I would take off your preconceived glasses, and throw all your theories into file 13, and start over. And this time BELIEVE what John wrote. THE DAY begins at the 6th seal, so all the trumpets are a part of THE DAY and of God's wrath.  Can you imagine God would kill 1/3 of earth's population (6th trumpet) and it NOT be wrath? 

Except that's not what John wrote, that's just your imagination going wild again brother.

Edited September 5, 2018 by Revelation Man

[iamlamad]

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You just do not understand how to delineate the scriptures as per their true meaning sir. Getting away from the word "MIDST" which you insist means the EXACT MIDDLE, which I am not convinced of via my studies, nevertheless changes nothing about my understandings. The False Prophet places the Image of the Beast into the Temple. Notice how it divides the AoD and the Sacrifice being taken away.

Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

So why are they shown in this manner ? The Daily Sacrifice is TAKEN AWAY by the Beast when he comes to power it seems, the AoD is set up by the False Prophet 30 days before the Beast comes to power, at the 1290. Thus we get from the time the Sacrifice is taken away AND the Abomination of Desolation is set up. Kind of like Dan. 9:25 that many people confuse because of the AND !!

Dan. 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

The AND above delineates TWO SEPARATE EVENTS, the 7 Weeks and the 62 Weeks. Likewise the Daily sacrifice AND the AoD are TWO SEPARATE EVENTS.

The Daily is taken away by the Beast because he of course will seek to be worshiped as the ONLY GOD !! AND..........the Abomination of Desolation being added to the equation makes it 1290 days until Jesus' return, whereas it would just be 1260 days via the former former only. 

I don't know why I am even replying tbh, anyone that has the 7th Trumpet at the Middle of the week is just way, way off. The book is not in Chronological order, when you get to heaven you will be told the facts I suppose, whilst God tells you that you are one hard headed dude. 7th Trumpet (MoW) now that s an imagination for sure.

Not worthy to be argued against as per 5 Seals being opened, that is naivete brother...............Jesus ascending has nothing to do with chapters 4 and 5, I have proven you wrong on this time and again, you choose to believe that because Jesus was supposedly not seen in Heaven that he must have ascended afterwards, but your whole theory FALLS APART because it also states he was also not found on EARTH or even UNDER THE EARTH.......So according to your thesis, Jesus was NOWHERE, which totally destroys your point, thereby making your whole point moot. Jesus was clearly in heaven as the Slain Lamb. Then when the First Seal is opened the Wrath of God is brought forth. 

The Martyrs in Rev. chapter 6 are ALL from the Tribulation or 70th Week (whatever you want to call it). This is a PROVEN FACT, Rev. 20:4 tells you this, they were alive when the BEAST was alive. Rev. ch. 6 tells us they want VENGEANCE on those that LIVE ON EARTH !! As in currently !! How many times must we point this out to you before it registers, or do you just close your eyes and say NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NA, NA, NA, NA, NA ? WATCH CLOSELY !

Rev. 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

So those MARTYRS under the Alter want VENGEANCE on those that DWELL ON EARTH !! Meaning they were KILLED by people that are STILL ALIVE at that time !! Then we see that Jesus tells them they must remain where they are UNTIL all their brothers are killed in LIKE MANNER as they were.......The Beasts 42 Month Rule must first come to pass, then they will be judged (Rev. 20:4).

Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

So those who were BEHEADED/Martyred for Christ/Word of God, in BOTH PASSAGES, had to have been alive during the 70th Week/Tribulation period. They want VENGEANCE on those that DWELL ON EARTH..........AND they will be Judged in Rev. 20:4, and they are DEEMED TO NOT HAVE, Worshiped the Beast, nor his IMAGE, nor taken the Mark of the Beast in their foreheads..........These can ONLY BE Tribulation Saints, because the Beast only rules for 42 months. 

So you do not even seem to get this right brother, I always have my i's dotted and my t's crossed. 

Except that's not what John wrote, that's just your imagination going wild again brother.

Sorry, but it is you that are misunderstanding.  The big question you must answer is, what is exactly half of 2520 days which will make up the 70th week:  7 times 360  = 2520.  What is exactly half of this number? 

Likewise the Daily sacrifice AND the AoD are TWO SEPARATE EVENTS.  You are jumping to a conclusion that is not based on scripture rightly understood.  And you are guessing what happens at the 1290th day: it COULD be Jesus return. But John does not tell us. 

Why do you attempt to make something God made simple, into something difficult?  When the man of sin enters the temple and declares he is God, the daily sacrifices MUST cease, exactly as Daniel said they would. The temple will have to be cleansed before the daily sacrifices can resume. And that event that stops the sacrifices IS the abomination. it is an abomination when someone NOT the High Priest enters the most holy place in the temple, and AT THE WRONG TIME, and without blood.  This event WILL HAPPEN on day 1260 into the week - indeed, the very half way point. And it is this event that Jesus told them to flee when they see. So the 7th trumpet marks that exact point in time; the man of sin commits the abomination by entering the temple. It seems he also sets up an image of himself there.  But just HIM entering the temple will be an abomination. 

Again you fail the test of even simple common sense. The text does not say that Jesus was not found: they were not searching for Jesus - they were searching for someone WORTHY TO TAKE THE BOOK! And the truth is, before Jesus rose from the dead to become the Redeemer, NO MAN WAS FOUND - exactly what John wrote.  So you have missed it yet again. However, since God said "it shows the movement of time" we see time moving forward to the time Jesus was found worthy - because He had just risen from the dead.  Then John got to see the very moment He ascended. It is right there in black and white, but your preconceptions will not allow you to read it as it is written. 

Jesus was clearly in heaven as the Slain Lamb.  Find Him in chapter 4. That is when He was NOT THERE.  He suddenly appeared there in chapter 5. 

The Martyrs in Rev. chapter 6 are ALL from the Tribulation or 70th Week  Miss the TIMING of the first seal, and it will throw off all the rest - as you prove with your errors. Until the Day of the Lord comes (seal 6) the church age is STILL ONGOING! So you have erred on yet another point. But, since you err on when the DAY starts, it causes this error also. Your argument fails. As church age martyrs, Stephen being one of them - there WERE people on the earth - the very people that murdered them.  If these were 70th week martyrs, they would not have had to ask how long: all would KNOW they just had to finish the 7 years. So again your argument fails.

Sorry, but again your argument fails. Those murdered or martyrs during the church age will be DIFFERENT than those martyred during the 70th week. Since your TIMING is so far off, you fail to understand. Both groups will be martyred, but God will not be looking for a certain number for the 70th week martyrs.  There is nothing at the 5th seal that says they were beheaded. The meaning there is, they must wait for their full number to be killed AS THEY WERE - as church age martyrs.  Next, you fail to take into consideration that the beheaded martyrs will not begin showing up until CHAPTER 15, and after chapter 14. This is WAY PAST the 7 seals being opened so that the document could be unrolled to reveal the trumpet judgments and then the vials.

I always have my i's dotted and my t's crossed.   I will give you credit for a great imagination! But an imagination does not prove the truth. Scripture rightly understood proves truth. 

Since we can't even agree on what John wrote, why continue. I simply can't believe much of what you write, because it does not match how I read scripture.

[n2thelight]

19 hours ago, iamlamad said:

This is all a "theory." It does misses the truth in several places. First, John TELLS US FLAT OUT where the Day of the Lord starts. But you don't believe John so you miss the truth.  Then you miss it on "the last trump" of Paul, which will be the last trumpet on the FEAST OF TRUMPETS in some year. I disagree therefore with your post. 

Day of the Lord starts at the 7th AND LAST trump,therefore I disagree with you disagreeing with me....

[n2thelight]

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Sorry, but it is you that are misunderstanding.  The big question you must answer is, what is exactly half of 2520 days which will make up the 70th week:  7 times 360  = 2520.  What is exactly half of this number? 

Do you understand that those days were cut short?

[iamlamad]

7 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Do you understand that those days were cut short?

How can God change His words? We have 1260 written twice, and 42 months written twice, and time, times and half of time written 3 more times. 

It is not the TIME that is shortened: the 7th week will be 7 years of 360 day years. It is God's word and that NEVER changes.

What is shortened are the days of those 1260 that will be days of great tribulation.  The Beast will still have his 42 months, but he and his armies will be rendered helpless when God pours out the vials of His wrath. So the days will continue, but the great tribulation in those days will cease.