Why so much disagreement on the start of THE DAY?

[iamlamad]

7 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Day of the Lord starts at the 7th AND LAST trump,therefore I disagree with you disagreeing with me....

The 7th trumpet in Revelation is indeed the last of that series, but Paul was speaking of a DIFFERENT series. Did you not know that it was said of the feast of trumpets:  "no man knows the day nor the hour?" Someone had to SEE the tiny sliver of new moon in the sky, no, TWO someones - and both had to report back to the High Priest that they had seen the moon. Then, and only then, could the Feast of Trumpets begin. If there were heavy clouds, the Feast would be pushed off another day. 

You can disagree all you want...you will just be wrong!  

[Revelation Man]

5 hours ago, iamlamad said:

How can God change His words? We have 1260 written twice, and 42 months written twice, and time, times and half of time written 3 more times. 

It is not the TIME that is shortened: the 7th week will be 7 years of 360 day years. It is God's word and that NEVER changes.

What is shortened are the days of those 1260 that will be days of great tribulation.  The Beast will still have his 42 months, but he and his armies will be rendered helpless when God pours out the vials of His wrath. So the days will continue, but the great tribulation in those days will cease. 

I don't know what you mean by 7 years of 360 days as per the 7th week, I ASSUME you mean 70th week, thus everything is on course and correct. 

The mistake most people make is two fold, some think the 7 year period is cut short, which is just not factual in basis, God set up all of the End Times around two 1260 day periods for a reason, to give us MEASUREMENT JUXTAPOSED vs. each other, whereas we and the Jews in the Tribulation will understand the timings of these things, I GET IT, many don't. 

Then on the other hand we have people like you who think the "TRIBULATION DAYS" are somehow cut short !! But neither one of those ideas are correct. Its much simpler than that, and I do not understand why people do not use logic. Let me bring you in on Gods ORIGINAL PLANNING !!

God doesn't need to REARRANGE His plans once He has made them, that is just not something should even consider. God understands ALL THINGS, thus when Jesus states the days will be CUT SHORT else no flesh would survive, he is referring to his Second Coming, and as per Daniel that is to be 1260 days from the time the holy peoples (Israel) POWER is scattered/taken away (Jerusalem is conquered), and its ended by the Second Coming !! That is NEVER GOING TO CHANGE, so what did Jesus mean via his declaration ? 

Well he mean the ORIGINAL PLAN was 7 years via the 70th week and that there would be 3.5 years of Wrath. And the Beast would rule over Jerusalem for 42 months (3.5 years), then the end would come, or the Second Coming. Thus Jesus is speaking about this AGE OF MAN under Satan's rule will be stopped at 42 Months be a SECOND COMING !! A pre planned Second Coming will stop the Beasts Rule. 

 

[iamlamad]

20 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

I don't know what you mean by 7 years of 360 days as per the 7th week, I ASSUME you mean 70th week, thus everything is on course and correct. 

The mistake most people make is two fold, some think the 7 year period is cut short, which is just not factual in basis, God set up all of the End Times around two 1260 day periods for a reason, to give us MEASUREMENT JUXTAPOSED vs. each other, whereas we and the Jews in the Tribulation will understand the timings of these things, I GET IT, many don't. 

Then on the other hand we have people like you who think the "TRIBULATION DAYS" are somehow cut short !! But neither one of those ideas are correct. Its much simpler than that, and I do not understand why people do not use logic. Let me bring you in on Gods ORIGINAL PLANNING !!

God doesn't need to REARRANGE His plans once He has made them, that is just not something should even consider. God understands ALL THINGS, thus when Jesus states the days will be CUT SHORT else no flesh would survive, he is referring to his Second Coming, and as per Daniel that is to be 1260 days from the time the holy peoples (Israel) POWER is scattered/taken away (Jerusalem is conquered), and its ended by the Second Coming !! That is NEVER GOING TO CHANGE, so what did Jesus mean via his declaration ? 

Well he mean the ORIGINAL PLAN was 7 years via the 70th week and that there would be 3.5 years of Wrath. And the Beast would rule over Jerusalem for 42 months (3.5 years), then the end would come, or the Second Coming. Thus Jesus is speaking about this AGE OF MAN under Satan's rule will be stopped at 42 Months be a SECOND COMING !! A pre planned Second Coming will stop the Beasts Rule. 

 

Again I disagree. The last half of the week will certainly be 1260 days, but all of those days WILL NOT be days of GT. If we read chapter 13, the Beast will show up and will get his 42 months. But before the really hard days come, the false prophet will show up, and no one knows how long into the last half he will show up. Then the image will be created and then the mark, and finally, the days of GT Jesus spoke of will begin. No one knows how long after the midpoint this will be. Finally, when the beheadings reach a peak, God will pour out the vials of His wrath, and that will END the days of GT, because the Beast's army, who have been carrying out the orders, will be rendered helpless. Days will go on, but there will be few more if no more beheadings. Therefore, Just as Jesus has said, the days of GT will be cut short. The DAYS go one, but no one is doing any beheadings.  The week ends with the 7th vial. But Jesus remains in heaven.  He will come some unknown time after the week has ended. 

 

By the way, John shows us that God's wrath is for the ENTIRE WEEK! 

Edited September 5, 2018 by iamlamad

[Revelation Man]

On 9/4/2018 at 10:28 PM, iamlamad said:

Sorry, but it is you that are misunderstanding.  The big question you must answer is, what is exactly half of 2520 days which will make up the 70th week:  7 times 360  = 2520.  What is exactly half of this number? 

 

No, I don't have to answer simplistic math questions a 5th grader understands, but I do have to point out AGAIN, you don't understand what is placed before you in Daniel, and if I explain it again you still wont get it because in your mind you already know it all brother, which is an attitude that will always leave you in the same place, not receptible to receiving of God's deep secrets, since of course when one already knows everything, hes "caught up" in knowledge for all time and forever of course. The 1260 and the 1290 are DIFFERENT........That seems to have escaped you. I mean its not even that hard.....ITS TELLING YOU ITS NOT THE 1260 !!

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Its right smack in your face, and you can't see it !! Jesus is working everything BACKWARDS from the Second Coming to how many days it is from EVENTS, thus its 1260 days from when the time Holy peoples are scattered, its 1290 days from the time that the AoD is set up, and it is also 1335 days from the time the Two-witnesses show up. 

On 9/4/2018 at 10:28 PM, iamlamad said:

 Likewise the Daily sacrifice AND the AoD are TWO SEPARATE EVENTS.  You are jumping to a conclusion that is not based on scripture rightly understood.  And you are guessing what happens at the 1290th day: it COULD be Jesus return. But John does not tell us. 

 

I don't guess, if I conjecture I say so, or I say I have been given something by the holy spirit, I don't guess and say this is of God, maybe you do, but that is not my bag. I just showed you how Daniel wrote the 7 Weeks and the 62 Weeks !!  and he put them together by saying AND how much more understanding do you need brother ? I wrote a thread that came from my blog on what the 1260, 1290 and 1335 is, I don't do blogs on conjecture brother. Read the thread again, its revelation. 

On 9/4/2018 at 10:28 PM, iamlamad said:

Why do you attempt to make something God made simple, into something difficult? 

Here's what you really mean to say, "Why can't you agree with my understandings" Well because you are not correct on the things you discuss with me. You start out via saying most of the Seals have been opened, thus I am very wary of anything you say about eschatology brother, you might be a fine Christian who leads many to Christ, but you just might not be called unto prophetic uttering's/understandings, and that's OK, all people are called to different things. Its hard for anyone to understand ANYTHING of God without revelation, God/Jesus tells us that, REMEMBER ? Jesus told the disciples that they only understood he was the Son of God by REVELATION from the Farther !!

On 9/4/2018 at 10:28 PM, iamlamad said:

When the man of sin enters the temple and declares he is God, the daily sacrifices MUST cease, exactly as Daniel said they would. The temple will have to be cleansed before the daily sacrifices can resume. And that event that stops the sacrifices IS the abomination. it is an abomination when someone NOT the High Priest enters the most holy place in the temple, and AT THE WRONG TIME, and without blood.  This event WILL HAPPEN on day 1260 into the week - indeed, the very half way point. And it is this event that Jesus told them to flee when they see. So the 7th trumpet marks that exact point in time; the man of sin commits the abomination by entering the temple. It seems he also sets up an image of himself there.  But just HIM entering the temple will be an abomination. 

You are not thinking logically here, that's your biggest problem here brother. For starters Daniel tells us nothing about the False Prophet, so you have to think logically and understand that things the False Prophet does may just be ATTRIBUTED to the Beast/Little Horn here in Daniel in an OVERALL scheme of things. The False Prophet is a REAL MAN and hes not mentioned by Daniel.....THINK LOGICALLY HERE Brother. You might be getting too technical without even realizing it. The Temple can not be CLEANSED they way you are thinking brother, THINK LOGICALLY NOW.......No Sacrifice can NOW do anything but defile the Temple, am I right or wrong brother ? THINK........Jesus is our sacrifice once and for all, so the only way the Temple can be CLEANSED is if the Jews accept their Messiah Jesus, as their Messiah/Savior, and that is exactly what Malachi 4:5-6 says, that Elijah (Two-witnesses) is sent to turn Israel back unto God BEFORE the Day of the Lord (1260 Event). Pssstttt why would you think ANYTHING except Israel accepting Jesus would cleanse the Temple? WHY ? Because you are conditioned to think this way because of old understandings brother.

So Israel REPENTS and is serving Jesus in the Temple, the False Prophet is fuming with anger at this and like Jason working with Antiochus, he betrays his own people unto this European President (Beast). There is no High Priest but Jesus brother, but they will place an IMAGE in the Holy of hollies, Jesus tells us its something STANDING there in Matthew 24, in Rev. 13 we are told the False Prophet places an IMAGE THERE....Only Paul tells us that this BEAST SITS there in the Temple, which he might do at some point, but it might not be referring to the MoW timing. Daniel in Dan. 9:27 says its an IDOL if you know how to look up the Hebrew root words and translate them right, Jesus tells us its something STANDING THERE in Matthew 24 and Rev. 13 tells us its an IMAGE of the Beast placed there by the False Prophet. So maybe Paul was not told this in full or did not understand it in full like Daniel, Jesus and John, or maybe its referring to later on. The Beast CONQUERS Israel at the 1260 Event. The AoD happens 30 days before. The Sacrifice could be taken away by the European Presidents orders to the False Prophet 30 days before, at the 1290 which is in the MIDST of the week. You argument about HAVING TO BE right in the Middle is just not and argument that can be validated in anywise, I have read many scholars on this and most say ot means somewhere in the vicinity of the middle of the week. THE CLUES lead us to understand its the 1290, it says it and you just close your eyes to the facts brother. 

The 7th Trumpet has ZERO to do with the Middle of the week, you not being able to see that that t is like 1100 days off just makes me shake my head, tbh. 

On 9/4/2018 at 10:28 PM, iamlamad said:

Again you fail the test of even simple common sense. The text does not say that Jesus was not found: they were not searching for Jesus - they were searching for someone WORTHY TO TAKE THE BOOK! And the truth is, before Jesus rose from the dead to become the Redeemer, NO MAN WAS FOUND - exactly what John wrote.  So you have missed it yet again. However, since God said "it shows the movement of time" we see time moving forward to the time Jesus was found worthy - because He had just risen from the dead.  Then John got to see the very moment He ascended. It is right there in black and white, but your preconceptions will not allow you to read it as it is written. 

Jesus was clearly in heaven as the Slain Lamb.  Find Him in chapter 4. That is when He was NOT THERE.  He suddenly appeared there in chapter 5. 

Again, Jesus is in Heaven all the time, you having the Seals as OPENED 1000's of years ago is just way out there brother, its wrong, and its leading you astray on your time-line brother. Jesus has been at the right hand of the Father for 2000 years, Rev. 4 is FUTURE, not past, that wrong headed thinking is on you brother, not on Jesus. Come on, you have plenty of sense, but a wise man that takes a wrong road will never get to where hes going brother.

On 9/4/2018 at 10:28 PM, iamlamad said:

The Martyrs in Rev. chapter 6 are ALL from the Tribulation or 70th Week  Miss the TIMING of the first seal, and it will throw off all the rest - as you prove with your errors. Until the Day of the Lord comes (seal 6) the church age is STILL ONGOING! So you have erred on yet another point. But, since you err on when the DAY starts, it causes this error also. Your argument fails. As church age martyrs, Stephen being one of them - there WERE people on the earth - the very people that murdered them.  If these were 70th week martyrs, they would not have had to ask how long: all would KNOW they just had to finish the 7 years. So again your argument fails.

Sorry, but again your argument fails. Those murdered or martyrs during the church age will be DIFFERENT than those martyred during the 70th week. Since your TIMING is so far off, you fail to understand. Both groups will be martyred, but God will not be looking for a certain number for the 70th week martyrs.  There is nothing at the 5th seal that says they were beheaded. The meaning there is, they must wait for their full number to be killed AS THEY WERE - as church age martyrs.  Next, you fail to take into consideration that the beheaded martyrs will not begin showing up until CHAPTER 15, and after chapter 14. This is WAY PAST the 7 seals being opened so that the document could be unrolled to reveal the trumpet judgments and then the vials.

No use in going on here, you really think the First Seal has been opened, you must be in the "ONE PERCENTILE ON EARTH" who think this right ? No one that I know takes it serious. And again, you don't event get the point about the Martyrs so I am just wasting my time if I repeat it again. 

You are clearly one of those who are off on a rabbit hunt with a few others of the same ilk, I see a lot of groups like this brother, and usually everything they put out has come from wrong thinking thus its all wrong.  

You are an alright guy, but this is going nowhere, I do understand others can see and learn, but its mostly a waste of time. 

 

God Bless. 

Edited September 6, 2018 by Revelation Man

[n2thelight]

Matthew 24:22 "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

"Those days" are the days of this tribulation. If God did not shorten the time and reign of the Antichrist, no man in the flesh body would be spiritually saved, and not deceived by Satan the Antichrist. Daniel told us in Daniel 9:27 that this time of the Antichrist, the desolator, was one half of one week of years. That is one half of seven years, and it has been shortened to five [5] months.

 

Revelation 9:5 "And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man."

God has given us a good clue as to how long Satan will rule as Antichrist. That time is five months. The book of Joel describes in detail how this method of the locust works. The result of that torment is exactly as the torment of the scorpion that "striketh a man". So lets try to understand more of both the locust, and the scorpion.

This is that locust army of Satan that will deliver up the sons and daughters to prophecy against the Antichrist, as spoken of in Joel 2, and also by Peter in Acts 2. What these sons and daughters say will only be those words that the Holy Spirit speaks through them.

Joel said this locust army would march forward, and not miss a stride. Remember, it's not "locust" but men, and the battle which this army enters is a spiritual battle, where the victory is in their deception. Their battle cry is with words like love, joy, peace, brotherhood, equality, and a mixture of words promising peace and prosperity. In the Antichrist rule [the five months] everyone will be satisfied, as long as they continue to yield to this Antichrist.

The time "locust" has four stages, as stated in Joel 1. The part of the locust that exists in the swarming stage is five months. That five months staging period is always between May and September; so God is even giving us the season, or time frame when Antichrist will appear. And by that season, we have an hint of when the seventh trumpet will sound, and Jesus Christ will appear. However that instant is known only to the Father.

Jesus warned that "we pray that ye not be taken out of season", in Mathew 24:20, and Mark 13:18. This is to alert us that being taken out of season means we have been deceived and fallen for the wrong Christ [Antichrist]. The Antichrist will rule between Passover, and the feast of the tabernacles [trumpets].

Why then the torment as that of a scorpion? This locust army will use the same methods a scorpion uses to attack it's prey and render it's prey harmless, during this five months period. Satan and his locust army will not be in any special form, but will appear exactly as a man, as we do. Satan was in the form of a man in the Garden of Eden when he tempted Eve, and his fallen angels appeared as men in Genesis 6:1-8, when they married the daughters of men and had "children" [Nephelim] by them.

The scorpion has a tail with a stinger in the tail. When they strike their prey, he sneaks up to it's prey and infects it's poison into the victim. Near it's mouth, it has a set of pinchers where it latches on to it's victim and pulls it to it's mouth. This is important, because the scorpion has no stomach, so it cannot digest it's own food within itself. Therefore the scorpion stings with the poison of it's tail to paralyze the victim, and then it vomits it's digestive juices [acids] into the body of the victim, then the victim's skin and body actually become the scorpion's stomach.

The acids turn everything it touches into mush. Then the scorpion inhales the mush from the victim's body and is gone. The victim is left defenseless from the beginning of the scorpion's strike, because the poison from the tail rendered the circulatory system and nervous system totally paralyzed, while the digestive acids turned the body to mush. Once stung by a scorpion, instantly you have no defense. You can't fight, run, or even think. You lay helpless to the devouring process of the scorpion.

Now that we see how the scorpion attacks, and the methods used by them; let's apply their methods, to Satan and that of this locust army. Satan and his army of fallen angels will take the lies [traditions] within your religion, and the false teaching that you believe to be true; and use it against you. All religions, Christian and otherwise, will be approached on the level and beliefs of their own understanding. They will use the doctrines of their choosing, and through that, the spiritual darts of lies and deception will come.

Like the scorpion uses your body for it's battle, and attack, so the angels of the locust army [not human] will use your mind as it's battleground. That is why you must be sealed in your mind [see verse 4] and with the proper armor on, which again is in Ephesians 6:10-20. Your battle is a spiritual one with the king of all demons, Satan, and he is ready for you.

The Antichrist has the authority from God, and the right to do business on earth, from the giver of all authority. He knows all your weaknesses, and he knows the Word as well as any theologian. Satan is set to do battle in your mind; and if your relying on false doctrine; like the rapture theory, your gone before the battle starts. If Revelation is still a mystery to you, you don't have a prayer of a chance.

You are about to go against the master of all deception, and the truth of God's word is the only thing Satan can't fight against. 

[Revelation Man]

10 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Again I disagree. The last half of the week will certainly be 1260 days, but all of those days WILL NOT be days of GT. If we read chapter 13, the Beast will show up and will get his 42 months. But before the really hard days come, the false prophet will show up, and no one knows how long into the last half he will show up. Then the image will be created and then the mark, and finally, the days of GT Jesus spoke of will begin. No one knows how long after the midpoint this will be. Finally, when the beheadings reach a peak, God will pour out the vials of His wrath, and that will END the days of GT, because the Beast's army, who have been carrying out the orders, will be rendered helpless. Days will go on, but there will be few more if no more beheadings. Therefore, Just as Jesus has said, the days of GT will be cut short. The DAYS go one, but no one is doing any beheadings.  The week ends with the 7th vial. But Jesus remains in heaven.  He will come some unknown time after the week has ended. 

 

By the way, John shows us that God's wrath is for the ENTIRE WEEK! 

I am not ignoring you brother........Its just a waste of my time to discuss the bible with someone I disagree on not a few things but on everything, something isn't right somewhere. Maybe we can chat on salvation issues, Jesus is our Savior issues, Old Testament issues, but as per Eschatology issues I see no use in going further here with all due respect. 

[n2thelight]

What is the tribulation,let's start there.

[iamlamad]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I am not ignoring you brother........Its just a waste of my time to discuss the bible with someone I disagree on not a few things but on everything, something isn't right somewhere. Maybe we can chat on salvation issues, Jesus is our Savior issues, Old Testament issues, but as per Eschatology issues I see no use in going further here with all due respect. 

I agree: we will agree that we disagree on almost every point on end times.

[iamlamad]

4 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Matthew 24:22 "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

"Those days" are the days of this tribulation. If God did not shorten the time and reign of the Antichrist, no man in the flesh body would be spiritually saved, and not deceived by Satan the Antichrist. Daniel told us in Daniel 9:27 that this time of the Antichrist, the desolator, was one half of one week of years. That is one half of seven years, and it has been shortened to five [5] months.

 

Revelation 9:5 "And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man."

God has given us a good clue as to how long Satan will rule as Antichrist. That time is five months. The book of Joel describes in detail how this method of the locust works. The result of that torment is exactly as the torment of the scorpion that "striketh a man". So lets try to understand more of both the locust, and the scorpion.

This is that locust army of Satan that will deliver up the sons and daughters to prophecy against the Antichrist, as spoken of in Joel 2, and also by Peter in Acts 2. What these sons and daughters say will only be those words that the Holy Spirit speaks through them.

Joel said this locust army would march forward, and not miss a stride. Remember, it's not "locust" but men, and the battle which this army enters is a spiritual battle, where the victory is in their deception. Their battle cry is with words like love, joy, peace, brotherhood, equality, and a mixture of words promising peace and prosperity. In the Antichrist rule [the five months] everyone will be satisfied, as long as they continue to yield to this Antichrist.

The time "locust" has four stages, as stated in Joel 1. The part of the locust that exists in the swarming stage is five months. That five months staging period is always between May and September; so God is even giving us the season, or time frame when Antichrist will appear. And by that season, we have an hint of when the seventh trumpet will sound, and Jesus Christ will appear. However that instant is known only to the Father.

Jesus warned that "we pray that ye not be taken out of season", in Mathew 24:20, and Mark 13:18. This is to alert us that being taken out of season means we have been deceived and fallen for the wrong Christ [Antichrist]. The Antichrist will rule between Passover, and the feast of the tabernacles [trumpets].

Why then the torment as that of a scorpion? This locust army will use the same methods a scorpion uses to attack it's prey and render it's prey harmless, during this five months period. Satan and his locust army will not be in any special form, but will appear exactly as a man, as we do. Satan was in the form of a man in the Garden of Eden when he tempted Eve, and his fallen angels appeared as men in Genesis 6:1-8, when they married the daughters of men and had "children" [Nephelim] by them.

The scorpion has a tail with a stinger in the tail. When they strike their prey, he sneaks up to it's prey and infects it's poison into the victim. Near it's mouth, it has a set of pinchers where it latches on to it's victim and pulls it to it's mouth. This is important, because the scorpion has no stomach, so it cannot digest it's own food within itself. Therefore the scorpion stings with the poison of it's tail to paralyze the victim, and then it vomits it's digestive juices [acids] into the body of the victim, then the victim's skin and body actually become the scorpion's stomach.

The acids turn everything it touches into mush. Then the scorpion inhales the mush from the victim's body and is gone. The victim is left defenseless from the beginning of the scorpion's strike, because the poison from the tail rendered the circulatory system and nervous system totally paralyzed, while the digestive acids turned the body to mush. Once stung by a scorpion, instantly you have no defense. You can't fight, run, or even think. You lay helpless to the devouring process of the scorpion.

Now that we see how the scorpion attacks, and the methods used by them; let's apply their methods, to Satan and that of this locust army. Satan and his army of fallen angels will take the lies [traditions] within your religion, and the false teaching that you believe to be true; and use it against you. All religions, Christian and otherwise, will be approached on the level and beliefs of their own understanding. They will use the doctrines of their choosing, and through that, the spiritual darts of lies and deception will come.

Like the scorpion uses your body for it's battle, and attack, so the angels of the locust army [not human] will use your mind as it's battleground. That is why you must be sealed in your mind [see verse 4] and with the proper armor on, which again is in Ephesians 6:10-20. Your battle is a spiritual one with the king of all demons, Satan, and he is ready for you.

The Antichrist has the authority from God, and the right to do business on earth, from the giver of all authority. He knows all your weaknesses, and he knows the Word as well as any theologian. Satan is set to do battle in your mind; and if your relying on false doctrine; like the rapture theory, your gone before the battle starts. If Revelation is still a mystery to you, you don't have a prayer of a chance.

You are about to go against the master of all deception, and the truth of God's word is the only thing Satan can't fight against. 

What you are speaking of is a trumpet judgment and it comes in the FIRST HALF of the week. At this time the man of sin will not have entered the temple, and the days of GT that Jesus spoke of are still FUTURE. Next, these little stinging locusts make perfect sense in a literal sense, so there is no reason or need to fanticize and imagine God had some deeper meaning. Finally, the Bride of Christ will not be here on earth at this time, because the rapture will occur before any trumpet judgment. As usual, I disagree with your post.

[iamlamad]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No, I don't have to answer simplistic math questions a 5th grade understands, but I do have to point out AGAIN, you don't understand what is placed before you in Daniel, and if I explain it again you still wont get it because n your mind you already know it all brother, which is an attitude that will always leave you in the same place, not receptible to receiving of God's deep secrets, since of course when one already knows everything, hes caught up forever of course. The 1260 and the 1290 are DIFFERENT........That seems to have escaped you. I mean its not even that hard.....ITS TELLING YOU ITS NOT THE 1260 !!

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Its right smack in your face, and you can't see it !! Jesus is working everything BACKWARDS from the Second Coming to how many days it is from EVENTS, thus its 1260 days from when the Holy peoples are scattered, its 1290 days from the time that the AoD is set up, and it is also 1335 days from the time the Two-witnesses show up. 

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Context, my friend: its CONTEXT. You cannot pull this verse out of its context.  Next, this is NOT a "from" / "to" statement!  The question was, how long to the END of these wonders. The start is 12:1, the beginning of the time of great trouble.  IN CONTEXT then, the WEEK ends at 1260 days from the start, but if we study Revelation we see that the Beast is not taken at the 7th vial that ends the week, but later, when Jesus returns. I suspect that will be 30 days AFTER the 7th vial that ends the week: so we have 1290 days from the start. Again, the start will be the abomination event that stops the daily sacrifices. In other words, you are reading into this verse what is NOT THERE. The daily sacrifice take away happens at the midpoint, the very time this time of trouble (12:1) begins. But there is more: what CAUSES the daily sacrifices to be stopped? It is the abomination being set up. So Daniel is telling us these TWO events happen as the START and it will go for 1290 days.  Did you notice in chapters 11 - 13 that the 42 months of the Beast's authority is listed last? Could it be that the starting point of his 42 months starts AFTER all the others? If it starts after, then it will end after, EXACTLY as John shows us in Revelation.  It is therefore NOT a "from / to" statement as you are reading it, but a from this and from that and the end (the "to") is understood from the context. 

The events written in Rev. 17 and 18 and part of 19 will certainly take place BETWEEN the 7th vial that ends the week, and His coming as shown in Rev. 19.