Trump and the peace plan

[iamlamad]

On 9/26/2018 at 3:10 PM, Diaste said:

Yes.

They are saying the original location is some 200 yards south of the Mount in the city of David.

But I dont think the location matters. What matters is the belief of the Jews their messiah is an earthly king that will fight against the enemies of Israel. Can you imagine?! I have heard the religious Jews say this!

That coming Temple is a false idol built for a false God so as long as it stands prophecy is fulfilled.

That is not really true. The temple will be built to the REAL God of Abraham. Those who build it may have missed their Messiah, but some of them are VERY dedicated to our Father God. A good question may be, will this be the Millennial temple? I tend to doubt it. 

[iamlamad]

4 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

Jesus didnt conquer any nations :

Rev 6: 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

and if you read Revelation there are two white horses, one conquering nations on earth /ac, another one is in heaven (Rev 19) which is Jesus.

Satan is the god of this present world. OF COURSE the church had to conquer the principalities and powers of every new place the gospel went. People died taking the gospel to new places.  

Go back and read chapter 5 and you will see the TIMING: it is the time Jesus ascended into heaven and sent the Holy Spirit down - so around 32 AD. That is the proper time for the infant CHURCH, not the time for the future Antichrist. 

[iamlamad]

37 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

Jesus was not given any crown and he conquered no nations yet until Armageddon war and His millennium is established

Rev 6: 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

The revelation is the end times event, not the past, John has lived with Jesus and understand what happened to Him.

Look at the different characters of the two white horses in Rev 6 and Rev 19 is perfectly explained. one in heaven one on earth conquering nations.

 

 

This is a white horse and rider to REPRESENT the infant church taking the gospel to the world. It is NOT "Jesus" on the horse!  This is the GOSPEL going forth from Jerusalem to Samaria and then to the uttermost parts of the world. Do you imagine Satan would just stand aside and allow the church new ground without a fight? Dream on! Did you never hear of "through Gates of Splendor" and "the end of the Spear"  - stories of missionaries who were killed? 

SOME Of Revelation is future, even to us. But would you say chapter 1 is future? John was STILL ALIVE even in chapter 4! 

You can pull the first seal out of its 1st century context if you wish, but taking a verse out of context is a NO NO! 

Did you not know that John used the color white 17 times in Revelation, and every OTHER time to represent righteousness? How can you even imagine that God would use white 16 times for righteousness and once for something evil? 

[Diaste]

5 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Did you not know that John used the color white 17 times in Revelation, and every OTHER time to represent righteousness? How can you even imagine that God would use white 16 times for righteousness and once for something evil? 

Again and again you take a snippet and build a case, streaking headlong to false conclusions. 

The righteousness of the saints is the whole picture and the main focus is the fine, linen robes worn by the redeemed, which are white and clean. This is ubiquitous in relation to the redeemed saints and the angels. ITS THE ENTIRE ENSEMBLE OF WHITE, LINEN ROBES SIGNIFYING RIGHTEOUSNESS.

A white horse does not signify righteousness. The white horse is the symbol of the conquering king. This idea is proven throughout history by thousands of kings riding into conquered cities astride white steeds. That's why the symbol of the white horse is used in Rev 4:2, so we all can know it's a conquering king riding forth at the beginning of the end, which is yet to manifest.

 

[Diaste]

7 hours ago, iamlamad said:

That is not really true. The temple will be built to the REAL God of Abraham.

Not true. The God of Abraham has built his Temple and it's the congregation. Anyone building a stone temple to a god is building it to a false god or their own lust.

You'll see.

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

Not true. The God of Abraham has built his Temple and it's the congregation. Anyone building a stone temple to a god is building it to a false god or their own lust.

You'll see.

Probably the church will not see it. Did you ever read the last chapters of Ezekiel about the Millennial temple? Do you imagine it is for Buddha or some other false god?

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

Again and again you take a snippet and build a case, streaking headlong to false conclusions. 

The righteousness of the saints is the whole picture and the main focus is the fine, linen robes worn by the redeemed, which are white and clean. This is ubiquitous in relation to the redeemed saints and the angels. ITS THE ENTIRE ENSEMBLE OF WHITE, LINEN ROBES SIGNIFYING RIGHTEOUSNESS.

A white horse does not signify righteousness. The white horse is the symbol of the conquering king. This idea is proven throughout history by thousands of kings riding into conquered cities astride white steeds. That's why the symbol of the white horse is used in Rev 4:2, so we all can know it's a conquering king riding forth at the beginning of the end, which is yet to manifest.

 

This white horse is not about a king. It is not a king that conquers either. This is just one more case where you THINK you know, when in fact, you  don't. To even imagine this is about the Antichrist proves you are pulling it out of context. You are 2000 years off in timing. God gave us two whole chapters to establish the context, and you ignore them. I will agree that the horse is to represent war or conflict, but God chose the color white to represent righteous conquest, which again cannot fit the Beast. This rider is to represent the church, taking the gospel to the world. Satan is the current ruler of the world. There MUST be conquering to advance the gospel. But it is not physical warfare: the church uses spiritual weapons.  You can be wrong if you want to be. 

 

[Scott Free]

God help us all and give us strength with joy in the hour of reckoning. At the UN Trump stood up to the Beast and challenged their authority over the world. In great arrogance Trump placed the US in the path of a tsunami we will not survive. The peace plan is to kick the hornets nest that is Iran, who is an observer nation in the kingdom of the Beast and inline for full membership.   "And the ten horns and the beast that you saw will hate the prostitute. They will leave her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and burn her with fire." (Rev. 17:16) Help us God, Help us, Help us in your mercy.

[Diaste]

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Probably the church will not see it. Did you ever read the last chapters of Ezekiel about the Millennial temple? Do you imagine it is for Buddha or some other false god?

Not the same temples. One is stone and built to satisfy the lust of the Jews for their idea of a messiah. 

[Diaste]

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

This white horse is not about a king. It is not a king that conquers either. This is just one more case where you THINK you know, when in fact, you  don't. To even imagine this is about the Antichrist proves you are pulling it out of context. You are 2000 years off in timing. God gave us two whole chapters to establish the context, and you ignore them. I will agree that the horse is to represent war or conflict, but God chose the color white to represent righteous conquest, which again cannot fit the Beast. This rider is to represent the church, taking the gospel to the world. Satan is the current ruler of the world. There MUST be conquering to advance the gospel. But it is not physical warfare: the church uses spiritual weapons.  You can be wrong if you want to be. 

 

I am neither right or wrong, I just repeat what is written.