walla299 Posted June 6, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 92 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,165 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 1,727 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/19/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/10/1961 Share Posted June 6, 2019 19 hours ago, Who me said: How desperate are you for work? If that is the only job then take it, if there is a choice go for the other option. It's as Walla said, guys buying beer etc after work is one thing but those living in a semi permanent state of drunkeness another. I'll also add that this happened early in my sobriety - and it was about survival: as in pay the rent or be homeless (again) and so I had little choice. I still smoked at that point too. Survival mode tends to focus the mind like nothing else. The only way I would consider a job like that again would be if I were backed into the same survival corner and that was the only honest job available. Being homeless in Phoenix, AZ in the summer is *not* an option. Tried that . . . would not willingly do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walla299 Posted June 6, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 92 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,165 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 1,727 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/19/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/10/1961 Share Posted June 6, 2019 20 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: What about those who work in the distilleries ,the beer manufacturers , the truck drivers that deliver Demon rum, the gasoline pump worker who put gasoline in the trucks.The mechanic that works on the truck or the guy that sold the tools to the mechanic that fixes the sin- spreading trucks.Who provides the steel that make the tools that enable the mechanic to fix the trucks that haul the beer that wind up on the shelves.......to be continued...... Alcohol is a chemical compound and is not a problem in and of itself. People's using it too excess is a big problem. Alcohol is not condemned in Scripture - but drunkenness is roundly condemned through out Scripture. Putting a stumbling block before a weaker brother or sister is condemned also. Paul said everyone should be convinced in their own minds, which I would take as having their own personal convictions about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted June 6, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted June 6, 2019 38 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: What about those who work in the distilleries ,the beer manufacturers , the truck drivers that deliver Demon rum, the gasoline pump worker who put gasoline in the trucks.The mechanic that works on the truck or the guy that sold the tools to the mechanic that fixes the sin- spreading trucks.Who provides the steel that make the tools that enable the mechanic to fix the trucks that haul the beer that wind up on the shelves.......to be continued...... The question was about how individuals would feel about working in a liquor store, not if it was a sin. I wouldn't feel right about doing it, but that doesn't mean I am condemning those who do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted June 6, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,132 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 6, 2019 Give strong drink to the one who is perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress;let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more. - Proverbs 31:6-7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs31:6-7&version=ESV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted June 6, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 hour ago, walla299 said: I'll also add that this happened early in my sobriety - and it was about survival: as in pay the rent or be homeless (again) and so I had little choice. I still smoked at that point too. Survival mode tends to focus the mind like nothing else. The only way I would consider a job like that again would be if I were backed into the same survival corner and that was the only honest job available. Being homeless in Phoenix, AZ in the summer is *not* an option. Tried that . . . would not willingly do it again. In the news as we hit 100 degrees today .... a homeless guy was found dead today from the heat. No other details, but he is the first heat related death in phoenix this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted June 6, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted June 6, 2019 29 minutes ago, other one said: Give strong drink to the one who is perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress;let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more. - Proverbs 31:6-7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs31:6-7&version=ESV And yet drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted June 6, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Firm Foundation said: And yet drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God. It sure is easy to single out the poor old drunk...his sins are so obvious.Not so obvious are all of the liars out there.....Like you and I. Paul said Thieves ain’t going to inherit the Kingdom either, yet we know one thief who is in Heaven right now.And another thief who is in hell as we speak .What if it had been two drunks on the Cross? Or two liars? This motley crew of sinners, as Paul said can not inherit the Kingdom.Why not? Thieves , liars and drunkards don’t remain thieves,liars and drunkards.Lucky for us, God is in the business of taking the unrighteous drunk or liar and transforming them into Sons.The instant they “ come to Jesus” as the thief on the Cross did, they are a “ new Creation” Paul said no thieves in the Kingdom so It is the same thing as if Jesus said it.But we know for a fact that there is a thief there today.Therefore, the repentant thief could no longer be considered a thief— after coming to Jesus he was a “ righteous,”forgiven Son . The other thief, remained a thief- period.He and all of his unrepentant type will be judged accordingly.Jesus took upon Himself the Judgement Of the contrite thief. Edited June 6, 2019 by Blood Bought 1953 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debp Posted June 6, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 52 Topic Count: 1,021 Topics Per Day: 0.15 Content Count: 12,321 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 16,370 Days Won: 92 Joined: 07/19/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 6, 2019 3 hours ago, ayin jade said: In the news as we hit 100 degrees today .... a homeless guy was found dead today from the heat. No other details, but he is the first heat related death in phoenix this year. I don't know how that poor soul and other homeless ever survive in that Phoenix heat. When I visited family in Phoenix near to Summer, I could hardly walk briefly outside. Heat like an oven...feel like your brain is baking. Saw a mailman around noon.... don't know how he managed. As for the op, I wouldn't want to work in a liquor store but if someone is desperate for work, I can understand them doing that temporarily. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walla299 Posted June 7, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 92 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,165 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 1,727 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/19/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/10/1961 Share Posted June 7, 2019 19 hours ago, Debp said: I don't know how that poor soul and other homeless ever survive in that Phoenix heat. When I visited family in Phoenix near to Summer, I could hardly walk briefly outside. Heat like an oven...feel like your brain is baking. Saw a mailman around noon.... don't know how he managed. As for the op, I wouldn't want to work in a liquor store but if someone is desperate for work, I can understand them doing that temporarily. I worked construction when I first moved here in the mid-90s. We started early, around 5-6am, and spent most of the work day outside - the body gets used to it, just like the folks in the Middle East. Long sleeves and a hat help a lot. It helps if you start in the spring and then your body can adapt as the temps warm toward summer. Otherwise its "welcome to the toaster oven!" I kept my apartment a/c at around 85-90 at one point because anything lower was just too cold. I've learned that comfort can be relative after dealing with 140F temps in Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War. 116F is hot, but not nearly as bad as that! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debp Posted June 7, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 52 Topic Count: 1,021 Topics Per Day: 0.15 Content Count: 12,321 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 16,370 Days Won: 92 Joined: 07/19/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, walla299 said: I worked construction when I first moved here in the mid-90s. We started early, around 5-6am, and spent most of the work day outside - the body gets used to it, just like the folks in the Middle East. Long sleeves and a hat help a lot. It helps if you start in the spring and then your body can adapt as the temps warm toward summer. Otherwise its "welcome to the toaster oven!" I kept my apartment a/c at around 85-90 at one point because anything lower was just too cold. I've learned that comfort can be relative after dealing with 140F temps in Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War. 116F is hot, but not nearly as bad as that! 140 degrees!! wow.... didn't know it got that hot anywhere! Btw, I will start a topic on Saudi Arabia in General Discussion....I would be interested in your experiences there. I have an epal who is a member here....former Muslim who lives in Saudi Arabia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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