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34 minutes ago, dr3032 said:

If I might contribute, yeah, I do agree that any takeover here would result in a massive amount of blood and loss of life. That's why the Japanese never took our shores here back in WWII; they feared that a rifle would be behind every blade of grass. At the very least, when I think of dangerous situations, a guy should defend others, but not with blood on his hands. If someone tries to mug you, you put them in a grapple and hold them in place until the police come. If you see someone in trouble, do something, ANYTHING, so that you don't regret it later. Even if it is just calling for help or calling the cops.

However, to take another's life is sin. If they do come and they come for blood, then I say lay it on them. Let them have it, because it means little to us, but it means their damnation. 

the Bible tells us that Murder is a sin, not the taking of a life...     defending yourself is not murder.   something else to think about, in Chicago last week there were 67 people that were shot with guns.....   only six died...     one does not have to necessarily take a life to protect oneself from people who would harm you and your family.

 

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9 minutes ago, other one said:

we're not talking about the antichrist here, just some criminals running around fulfilling their sick religion demands.....

And I will repeat, I have no respect for anyone who would stand by while their families or even friends were killed this way.  If you could live with yourself I guess that's ok...

Does it say that the saints just laid down and died or did they fight....   you are abusing scripture in your theology.

 

Why can’t we just believe that these men were willing to be martyred? Why can’t we believe God gave that village peace about it? There were times when Paul escaped death to complete his mission, and then there was a time when he was ready to go home. Did the early Christians “stand by” while Peter, Paul, Stephen, and the others gave their lives.

Would you say those words to Peter or John? That you have no respect for anyone who would stand by while Stephen was stoned, but if they can live with themselves you guess that’s ok?

Please show me Scripture, anywhere, where a Christian used aggressive force to stop persecution. Had the early church taken your advice, Paul would have been killed before Jesus appeared to him. Show me Scripture on a Christian — just one — who took a swing at Paul when he was hunting them down.

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This conversation brings to mind what one of my pastors wrote years ago (he would always write a little story on the bulletin).   He said that he and his family were camping in an R/V....in an area where a dangerous criminal was apparently loose.   He said he had a gun under his pillow.   However, he wrote of his quandary as a Christian....about using the gun.   This pastor always wrote such nice, good things, was sorry when he left.

I guess we don't know what we will do in such a situation until that time would come.

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1 hour ago, pg4Him said:

Why can’t we just believe that these men were willing to be martyred? Why can’t we believe God gave that village peace about it? There were times when Paul escaped death to complete his mission, and then there was a time when he was ready to go home. Did the early Christians “stand by” while Peter, Paul, Stephen, and the others gave their lives.

Would you say those words to Peter or John? That you have no respect for anyone who would stand by while Stephen was stoned, but if they can live with themselves you guess that’s ok?

Please show me Scripture, anywhere, where a Christian used aggressive force to stop persecution. Had the early church taken your advice, Paul would have been killed before Jesus appeared to him. Show me Scripture on a Christian — just one — who took a swing at Paul when he was hunting them down.

like I said that is my personal view and the way I feel about people that will not protect their family....   if you think different that's ok, but I would not let them kill you if I could stop it....   I could not live with myself if I did.   So just don't hang around me and evil jihadists at the same time.

 

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4 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

This has no place in the heart of all who follow JESUS .     We don't kill our enemies ,  WE DO as these did ,    Die for the LORD being faithful and pray even for those who would kill us .

Stephen did .    So did Christ .    

Want to hear something of beauty .     Remember back to the book of acts .      When the earth shook and the jailor awoke from his sleep . 

The apostels could have silently waited for him to kill himself and then made a get away .  GUESS what ,    THE ONLY CRY heard was , DO YOURSELF NO HARM

we are all still here .  THE RESULT ,  the jailor and his whole family received Christ .     We need to really RETHINK what we THINK we know and let us LEARN CHRIST well .

Quite a miss judgement of context here, I wonder if you are Genuine

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19 hours ago, nzkev said:

Quite a miss judgement of context here, I wonder if you are Genuine

Wonder away .     As for me I know whom I serve and His sayings shall I keep on the heart .     OH to the LORD be all glory and praise .

Rejoice , rejoice when men shall speak evil of you , or persecute you and always Forgive those who do so .

Friend I have been even called anti Christ and son of perdtion ,    what are words to me .   I GOT the JOY of the LORD and HAPPY is the one who hears and does those sayings .

Time to turn this place into a praise fest TO THE LORD .

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LET ALL PRAISE THE LORD and REJOICE AT ALL TIMES IN THE LORD .        TURN this place INTO A PRAISE FEST UNTO THE LORD . 

            

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Well interesting choice of words to say the least, do you feel a sense of satisfaction been called those things, I just notice you bring it up kinda like a badge of honor, im not sure why you would go there but I can imagine it would not be very nice, but you don't mind so thats its all good

But Dont jump to conclusions,You have 2 guns I have none, Lets look at this, So take into account History from Old testament, Then the 12 disciples having a sword, They didnt walk with Jesus 3 years without this been a secret of course, and in that era swords were weapons....Then there is the verse

luke 22:36

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
 

Now protecting your children from a thief with a knife breaking into your house is a complete different context to persecution for an individuals christian faith, suffering for the sake of the testimony of the Gospel Is very different To letting a crazed armed person to get your children,

In this verse I hear used a lot

 But whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also

I find the right Cheek intersting in this verse, to hit someones right cheek is usually a back hand slap, double insult, Dont be offended

 

Making out like everyone should lay down there life under any circumstance Is surely wrong, Or there is a rule you can Never defend yourself under any circumstances Which I cant find, Have to be careful of making up Rules.....Real careful

 

 

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1 hour ago, nzkev said:

In this verse I hear used a lot

 But whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also

I believe Jesus was saying not to take vengeance or retaliate when someone does something against us.   It doesn't mean we have to be a doormat....we can choose to or try to remove ourselves from a situation.

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48 minutes ago, Debp said:

I believe Jesus was saying not to take vengeance or retaliate when someone does something against us.   It doesn't mean we have to be a doormat....we can choose to or try to remove ourselves from a situation.

Yes but sometimes you cant. Have you tried to imagine hitting the right cheek, I believe every word has a purpose and increases the meaning, Right cheek is making a point, So if appropriate remove yourself but sometimes stand

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