God never demand His people to become martyrs.

[R. Hartono]

On 8/30/2019 at 6:44 AM, maryjayne said:

One of the many wonders of God is that he clearly sets out the terms before allowing us to sign up to them. No hidden clauses, no deceit. We know we are signing up for persecution - its in the job description. He even makes sure we survive death through His Sacrifice.

God is Good.

I am not clear on what point you are trying to make : (

Stephen died being stoned by hypocrites, God did not determine that, Stephen only defend the truth.

[BeauJangles]

On 8/29/2019 at 3:17 AM, R. Hartono said:

Never did God ever asked them to become His martyrs.

And yet. 

Revelation 6:9-10 ⁹And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: ¹⁰And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O LORD, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?  KJV

[R. Hartono]

1 hour ago, BeauJangles said:

And yet. 

Revelation 6:9-10 ⁹And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: ¹⁰And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O LORD, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?  KJV

God did not forced them, they hv total freedom.

[BeauJangles]

50 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

God did not forced them, they hv total freedom.

Yes, I know that... 

[Kristin]

We must choose Christ. We will choose Christ. Yes some in our families won’t. But we will it’s our destiny. It’s our call. Our lives have been very hard, yet here we are, braced for even harder with the blessed hope of the promise of redemption. I believe in the pre trib rapture, but if I’m wrong then cut my head off because I CAN NOT change who I am. 

[BeauJangles]

2 minutes ago, Kristin said:

I CAN NOT change who I am. 

And we will NOT deny Jesus is the Christ! 

[Kristin]

If we belong truly to Jesus Christ we will never deny Him. We will die for him if we must because He did so for us. However, I think He has a gracious plan in mind for His Body which is already seated in the heavens 

[Kristin]

4 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

And we will NOT deny Jesus is the Christ! 

Never will we!  We are incapable of denying Him if we are His. We are His Body, He is our head. He owns us. 

[Jostler]

Martyrdom is, and always will be a volunteer mission.  He doesn't even offer the mission to everyone.  There is a completely different way  of looking at the end of this age that is completely obscured by  popular end times theology.

[R. Hartono]

43 minutes ago, maryjayne said:

I am still not sure of you point in making this thread, sorry.

We have given our lives to God, so IF we are called to martyrdom we have already agreed to die. BUT we can run away from that call if we choose to.

Suicide bombers all over the world believed they were doing good things demanded by their god.

Our God never destined us to become martyrs. God doesnt want us to die horribly.

Stephen was stoned because he choosed to defend the truth. God didnt want him to die horribly like a suicide bomber, it was man's wickedness that made it, not God's will.