Unpardonable?

[Chris0699]

I have read a vast amount of material on the unpardonable sin. The common answer seems to be "as long as our are worried about it" or "you still have desire to repent and be reconciled to God", then you can feel reasonably confident you haven't committed it. I can't say I have either. I had a couple emotional experiences throughout my life and I was baptized at a young age, but I lived like the world and fell away. My heart is incredibly hard against God. I don't even know if I really want it softened. I'm worried about hell and I think I have hardened myself so much that I don't really want God. Like I want to retain control of my life but also don't want to go to hell. I know that is wrong, but I can't do anything about it anymore. I can think about the cross and not weep. I try to imagine my sin being put on Him but I can more understand the emotions of the soldiers and the Jews more than His and the disciples. I also know I have said "I" a lot and I need to get my eyes on Jesus, but in my hardened state I feel that is impossible. Even though I use the language I do, I should be treated as the hardest Christ rejector because that's really what I think I am. I think it would take a miracle to believe at this point. I have been around church, the gospel, and the Bible for most of my life yet I remain unchanged. Rebukes and exhortations don't do anything to me. I am probably wasting my time and yours by posting here, but might as well exhaust every avenue before giving up and accepting my fate because also my children will learn from my example and may also be led astray. I've already posted on two other forums. I need God to change me against my will, so to speak. Some may say He will not do that, but some do. I have to hope that He can and will because that's the only hope I have left. I can't honestly pray because I know I am not sincere. Not sure what to do. The Bible is no comfort.

[George]

Shalom Chris0699,

Welcome to Worthy Christian Forums. Please feel free to browse around and get to know everyone. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask.  As soon as you post a few times and after they are approved, it'll tell us that you are "real" person and not a "bot", you'll be free to post throughout our forums and join our chat rooms.  Forgive us for this minor inconvenience, however, we've had issues in the past with Spammers!

This is a short tutorial video of how to get started with Worthy Christian Forums.

As soon as you get out of Newbie status, you'll be able to add your profile picture.

You may be interested in reading how WCF functions, and how the forums are set up, and other neat tricks to the forums.  Read our insights into WCF.

Let me share a little bit of my vision for the ministry in a parable.

Let's say I'm throwing a big party and am inviting the world to the party (the forums) and I want everyone to have a great time, eating (reading through posts being fed), drinking (being encouraged to walk in His Word), and having fellowship with one another.  In Israel, we have Shabbat meals -- and whenever you have 2 Jews -- you have 3 opinions -- it's GREAT to be opinionated.  I encourage discussions ... but during our Shabbat meals ... we never ever get to the point in disagreements whereby food is being tossed and seriously yelling takes place!  And if someone comes into the meal ... and starts throwing food ... and yells at everyone -- what do you suppose the head of the Shabbat meal will do?  He'll escort those causing problems out of the house!  Why?  Because the whole reason for the gathering was to learn from one another ... to have a great time of fellowship!  

Some people like to constantly throw food and yell ... they won't last on Worthy ... because they missed the point of the party ... it's a prequel to the true party -- the Lamb's Supper!  

All I'm trying to provide is a place to allow true fellowship ... and discussions in love ... in the hopes it will be a catalyst for true REVIVAL based on REPENTANCE!

I hope you have a blessed time at Worthy!

Please use the REPORT POST feature (which can be found at the top right of all posts) any posts that you believe should be reviewed!  We strive to have ALL members abide by our Terms of Service.

While this message is "automated", please know that if you have any questions, feel free to shoot me off a private message which can be found at the top right to the left of your name.

Your brother in the Lord with much agape love,

George

[Michael37]

On 11/21/2019 at 12:46 PM, Chris0699 said:

I have read a vast amount of material on the unpardonable sin. The common answer seems to be "as long as our are worried about it" or "you still have desire to repent and be reconciled to God", then you can feel reasonably confident you haven't committed it. I can't say I have either. I had a couple emotional experiences throughout my life and I was baptized at a young age, but I lived like the world and fell away. My heart is incredibly hard against God. I don't even know if I really want it softened. I'm worried about hell and I think I have hardened myself so much that I don't really want God. Like I want to retain control of my life but also don't want to go to hell. I know that is wrong, but I can't do anything about it anymore. I can think about the cross and not weep. I try to imagine my sin being put on Him but I can more understand the emotions of the soldiers and the Jews more than His and the disciples. I also know I have said "I" a lot and I need to get my eyes on Jesus, but in my hardened state I feel that is impossible. Even though I use the language I do, I should be treated as the hardest Christ rejector because that's really what I think I am. I think it would take a miracle to believe at this point. I have been around church, the gospel, and the Bible for most of my life yet I remain unchanged. Rebukes and exhortations don't do anything to me. I am probably wasting my time and yours by posting here, but might as well exhaust every avenue before giving up and accepting my fate because also my children will learn from my example and may also be led astray. I've already posted on two other forums. I need God to change me against my will, so to speak. Some may say He will not do that, but some do. I have to hope that He can and will because that's the only hope I have left. I can't honestly pray because I know I am not sincere. Not sure what to do. The Bible is no comfort.

I haven't read all your posts, Chris0699, but I get the gist of what you are experiencing, and suggest that as yet you have not been earnest in faith towards God. I am wondering if you have been desperate in crying out to God as a first priority whilst being held captive by sin and in bondage to the world, the flesh, and the devil.

Even though you are in the desert of discipline where it seems Satan's agenda for your eternal damnation is victorious, there is a positive side to your circumstances in that you must seek Christ as the Way, the Truth, and the Life in order to be set free. If you have faith as small as a mustard seed be assured that if you patiently and persistently claim Jesus Christ as your Saviour and acknowledge that He was mocked, beaten, whipped, humiliated, nailed to the Cross, bruised for your iniquities, left to die bleeding and forsaken by God, so that you could receive salvation, reconciliation, sanctification and hope, then God is legally obliged by His own righteous judgment to grant these to you, and there is nothing in heaven or earth that can stop you from gaining them.

Hang in there.

  Heb 7:25  Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him (Jesus), seeing he ever lives to make intercession for them.

[IloveyouGod.]

Welcome, God bless you.  

Praying for you.  

 

[revv]

Chris, it sounds like you are still willing to be changed.  God loves you and has plans to move you into the peace that you desire.

[David1701]

On 11/20/2019 at 11:46 PM, Chris0699 said:

I have read a vast amount of material on the unpardonable sin. The common answer seems to be "as long as our are worried about it" or "you still have desire to repent and be reconciled to God", then you can feel reasonably confident you haven't committed it. I can't say I have either. I had a couple emotional experiences throughout my life and I was baptized at a young age, but I lived like the world and fell away. My heart is incredibly hard against God. I don't even know if I really want it softened. I'm worried about hell and I think I have hardened myself so much that I don't really want God. Like I want to retain control of my life but also don't want to go to hell. I know that is wrong, but I can't do anything about it anymore. I can think about the cross and not weep. I try to imagine my sin being put on Him but I can more understand the emotions of the soldiers and the Jews more than His and the disciples. I also know I have said "I" a lot and I need to get my eyes on Jesus, but in my hardened state I feel that is impossible. Even though I use the language I do, I should be treated as the hardest Christ rejector because that's really what I think I am. I think it would take a miracle to believe at this point. I have been around church, the gospel, and the Bible for most of my life yet I remain unchanged. Rebukes and exhortations don't do anything to me. I am probably wasting my time and yours by posting here, but might as well exhaust every avenue before giving up and accepting my fate because also my children will learn from my example and may also be led astray. I've already posted on two other forums. I need God to change me against my will, so to speak. Some may say He will not do that, but some do. I have to hope that He can and will because that's the only hope I have left. I can't honestly pray because I know I am not sincere. Not sure what to do. The Bible is no comfort.

That is very open of you!

1) Regarding the unpardonable sin, the Bible tells us what it is.

Matt. 12:31,32 (NKJV)

31    "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
32    Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
 

Blasphemy is injurious speech (e.g. slander).  These Pharisees had just slandered the Holy Spirit, by saying that the Lord Jesus cast out demons by Beelzebub (one of the names for the devil).  Unless you have done something like this, from the heart, then you have not committed the unforgivable sin.

2) I would suggest that you pray to the Lord, honestly, admitting the true condition of your heart and agreeing with God that this condition is sinful.  I would ask him to soften your heart and to open it to the gospel, just as God opened Lydia's heart to the gospel (God can open anyone's heart).  Cry out to him for mercy, because he is merciful.

Acts 16:13,14 (NKJV)

13    And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
14    Now a certain woman named Lydia heard us. She was a seller of purple from the city of Thyatira, who worshiped God. The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul.
 

Since it needed God to open the heart (to the gospel) of someone who already worshipped God (under the Old Covenant), how much more is this true of those who do not worship him!

Luke 18:9-14 (NKJV)

9    Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10    "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
11    The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank You that I am not like other men --- extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector.
12    I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.'
13    And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me a sinner!'
14    I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

 

[BeauJangles]

On 11/20/2019 at 3:46 PM, Chris0699 said:

The Bible is no comfort.

Here is a possible reason why. 

 

John 14:26-31 ²⁶But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. ²⁷Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. ²⁸Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. ²⁹And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. ³⁰Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. ³¹But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

John 16:12-13 ¹²I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. ¹³Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

---

King James Bible

[Chris0699]

20 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

Here is a possible reason why. 

 

John 14:26-31 ²⁶But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. ²⁷Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. ²⁸Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. ²⁹And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. ³⁰Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. ³¹But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

John 16:12-13 ¹²I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. ¹³Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

---

King James Bible

Yes, no Spirit, no comfort, no conviction, no salvation.

[Behold]

On 11/20/2019 at 5:46 PM, Chris0699 said:

I have read a vast amount of material on the unpardonable sin. The common answer seems to be "as long as our are worried about it" or "you still have desire to repent and be reconciled to God", then you can feel reasonably confident you haven't committed it. I can't say I have either. I had a couple emotional experiences throughout my life and I was baptized at a young age, but I lived like the world and fell away. My heart is incredibly hard against God. I don't even know if I really want it softened. I'm worried about hell and I think I have hardened myself so much that I don't really want God. Like I want to retain control of my life but also don't want to go to hell. I know that is wrong, but I can't do anything about it anymore. I can think about the cross and not weep. I try to imagine my sin being put on Him but I can more understand the emotions of the soldiers and the Jews more than His and the disciples. I also know I have said "I" a lot and I need to get my eyes on Jesus, but in my hardened state I feel that is impossible. Even though I use the language I do, I should be treated as the hardest Christ rejector because that's really what I think I am. I think it would take a miracle to believe at this point. I have been around church, the gospel, and the Bible for most of my life yet I remain unchanged. Rebukes and exhortations don't do anything to me. I am probably wasting my time and yours by posting here, but might as well exhaust every avenue before giving up and accepting my fate because also my children will learn from my example and may also be led astray. I've already posted on two other forums. I need God to change me against my will, so to speak. Some may say He will not do that, but some do. I have to hope that He can and will because that's the only hope I have left. I can't honestly pray because I know I am not sincere. Not sure what to do. The Bible is no comfort.

Hi Chris,

I can't speak to you about your salvation, because what you posted, does not reflect much of anything, regarding your salvation.

You say you had a couple of emotional experiences, and you were baptized when you were young.

Ok.

The emotional experiences were that you heard preaching or were involved in a worship service and this caused you to feel very spiritually emotional....... i would suspect.   Well, that is usually how it feels when God is dealing with you.

Sometimes when i hear someone post or talk who is both angry at God and also afraid of going to hell,........... i can only hope that they, you, are born again.

So, have you committed the unpardonable sin?  That's easy to find out.

Ask yourself this... "have i died and never received Christ into my heart, as my Savior".   "have i died and i was never saved"?

If thats you, then you have committed it.   If that is not you, then you could be committing it, but you wont be judged for it, until you die.

Listen,  consider the term, "un-pardon-able. sin"......... so, that is all you need to know to understand this sin...

So, what sin, can't be pardoned?  Thats the answer.  There is only one.. Its dying as a Christ Rejector.   Its a person who has never been saved, so, this sin of dying this way, means your sins followed you to God, and they were not pardoned.   This means, they were not forgiven by Jesus on the Cross while you were BREATHING.   So, the only person who can die un-pardoned,  is the person who has committed this un-pardonable , sin.

Its the sin of dying unforgiven.

Every single lost person, every single atheist, every single Christ rejector is committing the un-pardonable sin, right now.   And if they die tonight, they have committed it, and will face God un pardoned.

Its a "willful" sin.  Because the person has DECIDED to reject Christ, so, that is willfully rejecting Christ, which is to be committing the unpardonable sin.

And if you die, this is the sin that gets you judged and sent to hell.   Its this willful decision to reject Christ, all your life, and then you will pay for this sin, all your eternity, once you die.

The unpardonable sin, is the sin of dying unforgiven (un-pardoned).

 

   

Edited November 29, 2019 by Behold

[Chris0699]

2 minutes ago, Behold said:

Hi Chris,

I can't speak to you about your salvation, because what you posted, does not reflect much of anything, regarding your salvation.

You say you had a couple of emotional experiences, and you were baptized when you were young.

Ok.

The emotional experiences were that you heard preaching or were involved in a worship service and this caused you to feel very spiritually emotional....... i would suspect.   Well, that is usually how it feels when God is dealing with you.

Sometimes when i hear someone post or talk who is both angry at God and also afraid of going to hell,........... i can only hope that they, you, are born again.

So, have you committed the unpardonable sin?  That's easy to find out.

Ask yourself this... "have i died and never received Christ into my heart, as my Savior".   "have i died and i was never saved"?

If thats you, then you have committed it.   If that is not you, then you could be committing it, but you wont be judged for it, until you die.

Listen,  consider the term, "un-pardon-able. sin"......... so, that is all you need to know to understand this sin...

So, what sin, can't be pardoned?  Thats the answer.  There is only one.. Its dying as a Christ Rejector.   Its a person who has never been saved, so, this sin of dying this way, means your sins followed you to God, and they were not pardoned.   This means, they were not forgiven by Jesus on the Cross while you were BREATHING.   So, the only person who can die un-pardoned,  is the person who has committed this un-pardonable , sin.

Its the sin of dying unforgiven.

Every single lost person, every single atheist, every single Christ rejector is committing the un-pardonable sin, right now.   And if the die, they have committed it, and will face God un pardoned.

Its a "willful" sin.  Because the person has DECIDED to reject Christ, so, that is willfully rejecting Christ, which is to be committing the unpardonable sin.

And if you die, this is the sin that gets you judged and sent to hell.   Its this willful decision to reject Christ, all your life, and then you will pay for this sin, all your eternity, once you die.

The unpardonable sin, is the sin of dying unforgiven (un-pardoned).

 

   

I am not saved. True belief results in works, and those works are not present, nor is a growing love for Jesus. And there are no signs that I am being drawn to Jesus. Just apathy. People say to cry out for mercy, but that involves a passionate cry. I can only give a little impassionate whimper. Certainly not enough for Jesus to pay attention to or regard.