Do you think people of other faiths will be in heaven

[frienduff thaylorde]

8 hours ago, ahmedcrow said:

 

It's the most safe way to preach in Gospel only if a conflicts would happen. I didn't talk about anything, I talk about a vision which said that's possible, another vision also told that Quran in the era of the prophet used with Torah in some way because that era was Torah-like era but this era is Gospel-like era. Maybe if it's possible, I think Quran will work like an old testament, we know that the old testament nature is different than Gospel nature.

 

I heard atheists said the same you said. "Allah" is a proper name in Arabic for the same god of Abraham, we don't have to force Arabs to call God in Hebrew name to be sure that they're calling the same god. God description in Quran like his one in Torah for first Jewish understanding, no one of 'em can expect that God can have a real son literally, Quran is close to Torah in that. Many information you read in internet about Quran are fake.

Yes it might be safest for whoever preach it ,    but it will damn all who believe it .     Paul and others risked life and limb to preach the one true gospel ,    They did not fear man 

They did not fear loss or imprisonment .  and they made NO DEALS to have a conversion .  IT WAS accept JESUS or the wrath of GOD abides on all who reject .

THEY did not make deals to win souls .  DO you want to know WHY ,    cause a polluted gospel will save none .  AND GOD will share HIS GLORY with no other god or belief .

EITHER WE preach the true JESUS to them  be co workers with the SPIRIT ,  or we preach this inclusive one you teach being co workers with death .

Any and all who allows anyone to believe they can serve God and Another mindset or religion is reaping death upon the soul of all who would believe it .

This is that serious and deadly .    

[frienduff thaylorde]

6 minutes ago, charisenexcelsis said:

Hebrews says that the men of faith in the OT were saved without ever knowing the name of Jesus. I believe it is rare, but I believe it happens.

Men of faith in the OT ,  had faith IN the COMING SAVOIR .  THEY KNEW HE was coming and they both looked for and waited for HIS COMING .  THEIR FAITH was IN GOD and IN TORAH

GOD had said and even Moses had said ,   A PROPHET IS COMING ,    All the prophets prophesied of HIS COMING and that was what they held on to with FAITH .

NOW ,  let us continue on with what JESUS HIMSELF taught and the apostels taught .     This generation is in dire trouble , under rick warren and scores of others , IT has FORGOT how to EVANGELIZE TRULY .

But the lambs KNOW how too .    The lambs KNOW who must be confessed to be saved ,  and that is THE ONLY NAME whereby one can be saved . They know , so they sound it out 

and make it the top priority of all things . 

[frienduff thaylorde]

42 minutes ago, charisenexcelsis said:

The details of a coming savior were only overtly taught in the writings of the prophets. There is no evidence that Moses, Abraham or David knew of a coming savior. Only after Jesus come, was there a full realization of the significance of their teachings.

Yeah ,    not so.

THEY KNEW .  THE SHEEP ALWAYS KNEW .   and they waited .     LOOK this is WHO MOSES spoke of , the one who is to come 

OR HOW BOUT WHAT JESUS HIMSELF SAID .      MANY kings , prophets , etc , HAVE LONGED TO HEAR what you hear and to SEE WHAT YOU SEE .

OOPS .  that contradicts what you just said Big time .  THEY KNEW , the sheep always knew .     And today the true sheep KNOW , for HE has the sheep and they follow not another gospel or another jesus 

they FOLLOW the LAMB .   and preach the TRUE gospel .       Hope that helped .

Edited February 5, 2020 by frienduff thaylorde

[frienduff thaylorde]

43 minutes ago, charisenexcelsis said:

The details of a coming savior were only overtly taught in the writings of the prophets. There is no evidence that Moses, Abraham or David knew of a coming savior. Only after Jesus come, was there a full realization of the significance of their teachings.

Better go read the pslams then .  DAVID SPOKE OF JESUS more than once too . HE SAW .

or how about what JESUS says concerning Abraham .  ABRAHAM SAW MY DAY AND HE REJOICED .    the gospel was preached to Abraham too .

They knew .   GOD is in control , and the sheep KNEW the savoir was coming .   Just as the sheep today KNOW ,  OH HE WILL COME AGAIN .    Thus preach the true gospel to all that has breath .

For he who believes shall be saved , but he who believes not shall be damned .   JESUS own words .  And as you said SO SPOT ON RIGHT , JESUS IS GOD and thus HE words cannot be altered or denied .

 

[frienduff thaylorde]

50 minutes ago, maryjayne said:

Jesus is God. To know God is to know Jesus. 

Yep .  no man can come unto me lest the Father draw HIM .

And only JESUS can REVEAL THE FATHER UNTO US .        ONLY JESUS CAN .    SO , GOD gives us this knowledge ,   TO KNOW THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST the MESSIAH , the SAVOIR .

And to have total trust in ALL that HE DID ,  in order to be saved .  Some of these folks keep dancing around and not answering what I am saying .  instead they are building topics AROUND this .

But here is the key .     IF a man teaches that JESUS does not have to be confessed as LORD and Savoir ,  Flee it .

There is a teaching known as inclusvisim and folks its death .    What I say next , I BELIEVE you ALREADY KNOW it , but I say it as a reminder and for all others to hear it as well .

If anyone comes teaching things like muslims can have the koran and jesus too , or buddits their beleifs and jesus too or etc 

Talk about deception .   because their books and minds CONTRADICT the very gospel which we bring .  HOW can a muslim have faith in JESUS as the SON OF GOD 

WHEN the koran SAYS NOPE ITS NOT TRUE .

We need to remember what JOHN said about the Spirit of anti Christ and about the SON OF GOD TOO .

HE WHO DENIES that JESUS IS THE CHRIST is AN ANTI CHRIST .  AND YET the quran SAYS HE IS NOT THE CHRIST , they say a prophet at most .   they Are anti Christ .

YEP .  I bring us these reminders to arm us up . 

THIS TOO . WHO SO EVER shall CONFESS that JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD ,GOD DWELLS IN HIM .      YET does the koran teach that , NOPE , it says GOD HAS NO SON .    

SO why on earth would we tell a muslim they can have JESUS and yet the koran TOO .   CANT HAVE BOTH . ITS ONE OR THE OTHER . 

[The Survivor]

And of course, people of these other "faiths" (Atheism is a faith too in believing in no God) will say the same about Christians, how Christians are wrong.

[Omegaman 3.0]

2 hours ago, Margo1945 said:

I do not know enough about the OT to know for sure what happened

In Romans 4:3, you get the explanation quotes from the Old Testament, describing how faith works:

For what does the Scripture say? "ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS."

He states it again in Galations 3:

   6Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.” 9So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.

Hebrews 11 again describes faith:

  8By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9By faith he lived as an alien in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, fellow heirs of the same promise; 10for he was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11By faith even Sarah herself received ability to conceive, even beyond the proper time of life, since she considered Him faithful who had promised. 12Therefore there was born even of one man, and him as good as dead at that, as many descendants AS THE STARS OF HEAVEN IN NUMBER, AND INNUMERABLE AS THE SAND WHICH IS BY THE SEASHORE.

  17By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten son; 18it was he to whom it was said, “IN ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS SHALL BE CALLED.” 19He considered that God is able to raise people even from the dead, from which he also received him back as a type. 

That faith, there described Abraham, believed God enough, that even if Abraham were to kill his one son, that God was still going to fulfill His promise to make a great people from his only son, Isaac, even if that meant that Isaac would have to be brought back to life. Abraham knew that God does not lie, and that He had the power to do what He said He would.

So, here were have what Paul noted, that believing God and trusting Him, is the sort of faith that credits you with righteousness, in other words it deposits into your account, a righteousness that cancel out the debt of sin that was there.

Salvation has only ever come one way, by grace, through faith - at least that is how I see it!

[frienduff thaylorde]

4 hours ago, The Survivor said:

And of course, people of these other "faiths" (Atheism is a faith too in believing in no God) will say the same about Christians, how Christians are wrong.

That's very true .   people say and believe lots of things .    

By FAITH ,  I simply BELIEVE WHAT JESUS said .       Cause ,   He weren't just some man with an opinion .    BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS ,  HE WAS .     SO ,  yep ,   I CLING TO CHRIST . 

[frienduff thaylorde]

Yep .   I knew DUSTY would understand . 

[Blood Bought 1953]

13 hours ago, charisenexcelsis said:

The details of a coming savior were only overtly taught in the writings of the prophets. There is no evidence that Moses, Abraham or David knew of a coming savior. Only after Jesus come, was there a full realization of the significance of their teachings.

 

Even Adam knew there would come a Savior.....it was a Promise from God.....Job knew it and Job is the earliest Book written in the Bible ....( I KNOW that My Redeemer liveth! )