Trump's Peace Plan and the deception

[PetriFB64]

Trump's deal of the century has raised many kinds of thoughts and opinions. The Bible, the word of God is against Trump's deal. More info behind the link:

http://www.kotipetripaavola.com/trumpdealofthecenturyandthedeception.html

[johnthebaptist]

48 minutes ago, PetriFB64 said:

Trump's deal of the century has raised many kinds of thoughts and opinions. The Bible, the word of God is against Trump's deal. More info behind the link:

http://www.kotipetripaavola.com/trumpdealofthecenturyandthedeception.html

Bibi is a hard man to please, it seems to me. If he likes the plan, then I would think it is good for Israel.

[JohnD]

We must be very careful not to be swayed by antisemitism (even in the Church).

The Jewish people are still God's chosen / elect people OF EARTH (by birth).

Christians are God's chosen / elect people OF HEAVEN (by faith). ← Jews and Gentiles

The false belief that the Church replaces Israel is at the heart of Christian antisemitism and

is of the devil.

Romans 3:1–4 (AV)
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Being the chosen / elect of Earth is not salvation.

Salvation is only of believers in Jesus Christ (John 3:16-18).

John 5:23 (AV)
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

1 John 2:23 (AV)
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Jeremiah 31:31–37 (AV)
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Step outside. Is there a moon? How 'bout a sun?

Galatians 4 (AV)
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

And to those who harp on the casting out of the bondwoman... what did God do with Hagar and Ishmael?

He took care of them and raised up 12 tribes (prophetic of unbelieving Israel since).

Let's stop arguing over loving and helping and preferring God's chosen / elect people of Earth!!!

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, JohnD said:

We must be very careful not to be swayed by antisemitism (even in the Church).

The Jewish people are still God's chosen / elect people OF EARTH (by birth).

Christians are God's chosen / elect people OF HEAVEN (by faith). ← Jews and Gentiles

The false belief that the Church replaces Israel is at the heart of Christian antisemitism and

is of the devil.

Romans 3:1–4 (AV)
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Being the chosen / elect of Earth is not salvation.

Salvation is only of believers in Jesus Christ (John 3:16-18).

John 5:23 (AV)
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

1 John 2:23 (AV)
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Jeremiah 31:31–37 (AV)
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Step outside. Is there a moon? How 'bout a sun?

Galatians 4 (AV)
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

And to those who harp on the casting out of the bondwoman... what did God do with Hagar and Ishmael?

He took care of them and raised up 12 tribes (prophetic of unbelieving Israel since).

Let's stop arguing over loving and helping and preferring God's chosen / elect people of Earth!!!

Cast out the bondwoman and HER SON.  Who is her son I wonder....? 

Gal 4:29

But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

 

[missmuffet]

3 hours ago, PetriFB64 said:

Trump's deal of the century has raised many kinds of thoughts and opinions. The Bible, the word of God is against Trump's deal. More info behind the link:

http://www.kotipetripaavola.com/trumpdealofthecenturyandthedeception.html

I don't take anything man does too seriously. I just stay with God. 

[other one]

@PetriFB64 are you the petri that's been here before....

BTW I don't see any way the thing will pass.    I don't think even Jordan will want to go with it..   and I don't think there is anything we can do to make them agree with it.

Does not follow the Bible prophecy I've read and it certainly do not go with the teachings of mohammad.   

We'll see.

[Jostler]

This whole thing is just another globalist application of the Hegelian dialectic.   It is not a serious "peace" proposal and those behind it know that full well....are counting on it.  

[JohnD]

21 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

Cast out the bondwoman and HER SON.  Who is her son I wonder....? 

Gal 4:29

But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

 

Ah, an astute observer of scripture. Most miss this connection. Perhaps a new thread for discussion is in order as to the revealing of the man of lawlessness?

Edited January 31, 2020 by JohnD

[angels4u]

On 1/30/2020 at 3:48 PM, other one said:

@PetriFB64 are you the petri that's been here before....

BTW I don't see any way the thing will pass.    I don't think even Jordan will want to go with it..   and I don't think there is anything we can do to make them agree with it.

Does not follow the Bible prophecy I've read and it certainly do not go with the teachings of mohammad.   

We'll see.

To me it looks it's a peace plan to get a peace plan,this is not a peace plan,it's probably a plan to get a peace plan,which will not work until Jesus comes back..

[Jostler]

I'm like other one.  This is significant as far as developments go, but the Palestinian/Arab/Muslim world's reaction to it seems predictable....a no-brainer.  This can't result in peace and the designers have to know that...quite the opposite.  All this can do is inflame tensions.   The most logical conclusion I can come to is....that's the point...somebody with a plan wants the inevitable conflict.   The most surprising thing to so far is the fact it hasn't already resulted in more conflict than it has....