Rapture before the antichrist in Matthew 24

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The Rapture, comprehensively explained

January 18, 2020

The Rapture

        They cried with a loud voice, "0 Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before thou wilt judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?" Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their follow servants and their brethren should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been. (Rev. 6:10‑11 RSV)

      The day will come when God, who is patient and long‑suffering for our sakes, will respond to these prayers of His martyred saints and wrap things up. What will be involved in such a wrap‑up?

        I saw in the night visions, and, behold, there came with the clouds of heaven one like unto a son of man, and he came even to the ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that till the peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion in an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. (Dan. 7:13‑14)

        until the ancient of days came, and judgement was given to the saints of the Most High, and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.... But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom, and possess the kingdom forever, even forever and ever. (Dan. 7:22,18)

      There are two distinct aspects to the kingdom, depicted here: The first aspect is when "one like unto a son of man" (Christ) receives the kingdom from the "ancient of days" (God). The second aspect is when Christ bequeaths and jointly shares His kingdom with His chosen ones, the saints of the Most High. What is the significance of these two different aspects?

 

        And being asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God cometh, he answered them and said, the kingdom of God cometh not with observation: (Luke 17:20).

      On the one hand, the Lord says that the kingdom of God comes without observation, yet in several other places he relates specific outward signs of the coming of the kingdom. Why is this so?

        Neither shall they say, Lo, here! Or, there! For lo, the kingdom of God is within you. (Luke 17:21)

And madest them (to be) unto our God a kingdom and priests; and they reign upon the earth. (Rev. 6:10)

        And Jesus answered and spake again in parables unto them, Saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a certain king, who made a marriage feast for his son, (Matt. 22:1‑2)

        But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only. (Matt. 24:36)

looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God. . . (2 Pet. 3:12)

        to whom God was pleased to make known this mystery ... which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: (Col. 1:27)

... may grow up in all things into him, who is the head, even Christ: (Eph. 4:15)

        Be patient therefore, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. Behold, the farmer waits for the precious produce of the soil, being patient about it, until it gets the early and late rains. (James 5:7 NASB)

you are God's field ... (1 Cor. 3:9 NASB)

The hidden aspect of the kingdom that comes without observation is this: God the Father is preparing a bride for His Son composed out of people he has chosen from before the foundation of the world. These people are constituted a kingdom unto Christ by letting Christ rule in them. This denying of the self to let Christ rule in them is dependent on the exercise by them of their free will; thus the day of God is not a set date- its coming can be hastened by greater numbers of believers allowing Christ to mature in them and by their letting Him mature in them faster.  (See Appendix.  XII.)

      Not all who are called will be chosen; not all believers will pay the price in this life to let Christ rule in them and thus constitute them a kingdom to Him. This hidden kingdom, which will be the bride to Christ, is a present from one person of the Triune God (the Father) to another person of the Triune God (Christ the Son). What good is a present if the exact time of this giving is not a surprise? This is why not even Christ knows the day and hour when this kingdom will be given to Him. Only the Father knows. The day and hour depends on a sufficient maturity of Christ in an adequate number of believers, sufficient enough to adequately express Christ as His bride and reign with Him during the time of the second aspect of the kingdom. What is the second, open aspect of the kingdom?

        Look at yourselves, that ye lose not the things which we have wrought, but that ye receive a full reward. (2 John 8)

For many are called, but few are chosen. (Matt. 22:14)

... called saints ... (Rom 1:7)

        And now I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you the inheritance among all them that are sanctified. (Acts 20:32)

        And if children, then heirs; heir of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him. (Rom 8:17)

      The co‑reigning with Christ during the millennial kingdom, which is a 1,000‑year wedding feast, is a reward to those believers who go on to be overcomers- ­those who allow Christ to overcome their self‑life and thus transform their souls into His image. All believers will be the new Jerusalem (the wife of Christ) in eternity, but only the overcomers will be the bride of Christ during the millennium.

        when he shall come to be glorified in his saints ... (2 Thess. 1:10).

        And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1 Tim. 3:16 Intl. Greek)

        For yourselves know perfectly well that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. When they are saying, Peace and safety, then suddenly destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child: and they shall in no wise escape. (1 Thess. 5:2‑3)

      To those overcoming believers who are daily living the kingdom life in their spiritual walk, the rapture will just be a change of location and a fuller enjoyment of what they are experiencing. To both the world and the believers who are not walking in spirit and ready, the rapture will come unexpectedly‑ as a thief in the night.

And a great sign was seen in heaven: a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her hand a crown of twelve stars, and she was with child; and she crieth out, travailing in birth, and in pain to be delivered. (Rev. 12:1‑2)

      This sign is a type of all the believers, both Old Testament and New Testament believers, who are always spoken of corporately with respect to God in female types. The woman herself is the universal church: all born‑again believers of all New Testament time. This aspect of the rapture is a hidden one, as the coming of the Lord as a thief in the night is compared also to a woman in travail in (1 Thess. 5:2‑3) above‑ this is the woman in travail spoken of by the apostle in that verse. Also, the beginning of travail spoken of in (Mark 13:7‑8) refers to the start of the church age, not to the end times. What is this child that she is travailing in birth to deliver?

and he made us (to be) a kingdom, (to be) priests unto God and his Father; to him be the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. Amen. (Rev. 1:6)

        and he that overcometh, and he that keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give authority over the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of the potter are broken to shivers; as I also have received of my Father: (Rev. 2:26‑27)

        And she was delivered of a son, a man-child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and unto his throne. (Rev. 12:5)

      The man‑child brought forth by this woman will be the resurrection of the overcoming believers throughout history, who are no longer physically alive. These are the stronger ones of God's people who led victorious spiritual lives while alive on the earth. Because they are the stronger part of God's people (the woman), they are referred to as a man‑child: they are a part of the woman yet they are also distinct from the rest of her. This woman, the universal church, has been pregnant since the church age began and has been travailing to give birth since then. The birth-rapture of the man‑child will occur shortly before the tribulation begins.

      From all this we may surely infer that, although Satan is a rebel, he has not yet been deprived either of his title or his power. He is till the great High One on high, who divides the world into different provinces according to its nationalities, appointing a powerful angel, assisted by countless subordinates, as viceroy over each kingdom to direct its energies and bend them to his will. 295

And I heard a great voice in heaven, saying, Now is the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom, become our God's and the authority is become his Christ's: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accuseth them before our God day and night. And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony; and they loved not their (soul) lives even unto death. (Rev. 12:10)­

      When the man‑child is caught up to God, there is no longer any use, excuse or room for Satan and his fallen angels in heaven; the faithful angels under Michael are ordered by the overcomers to cast them out of heaven. This will be the fulfillment of the coming of the kingdom in its hidden aspect.

        And I heard the number of them that were sealed, a hundred and forty and four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the children of Israel. (Rev. 7:4)

        And she was delivered of a son, a man‑child, who is to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and unto his throne.... And they overcame him (Satan) ... (Rev. 12:6, 11)

        To him that overcometh, to him will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of God. (Rev., 2:7)

such a one caught up even to the third heaven ... (2 Cor. 12:21)

        And I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty and four thousand, having his name and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads.... These were purchased from among men, to be the first‑fruits unto God and unto the Lamb. (Rev. 14:1,4)

        and to bring the first fruits of our ground, and the first-fruits of all fruit of all manner of trees, year by year, unto the house of Jehovah: (Neh. 10:35).

        But watch ye at every season, making supplication that ye may prevail to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. (Luke 21:36)

        Because thou (Philadelpha, the church off brotherly love) hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. (Rev. 3:10 KJV)

      The 144,000 sealed of the children of Israel are faithful Jews who will pass through the Tribulation on the earth; they are sealed for protection from the supernatural afflictions of that time. These will repent shortly before the Lord's physical return (covered later in Subsection G.) and are probably a literal number.

      The 144,000 on the heavenly Mount Zion, however, is a symbolic number signifying the maturity and completion of these believers and is probably not a literal number‑ since such maturity is not predestined and depends on the exercise of free will. Enoch, who was translated alive to heaven by God because he was well pleasing to God, was an Old Testament type of the rapture of these first‑fruits. This symbolical number of redeemed are the living overcomers raptured as first‑fruits to God, and (like the man‑child) are raptured not to the clouds, as will be the majority of living believers at the general harvest in Revelation 14:14‑16, but to heaven. This occurs shortly after or simultaneously with the rapture of the man‑child and also precedes the Tribulation.

        Likewise even as it came to pass in the days of Lot; they ate, they drunk, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; but in the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all: after the same manner shall it be in the day that the Son of man is revealed. (Luke 17:28‑30)

        And as were the days of Noah so shall be the coming of the Son of man. For as in those days which were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall be the coming of the Son of man (Matt. 24:37‑39)

…but He that taketh refuge in me shall possess the land, and shall inherit my holy mountain. (Isa. 57:13)

        And they say to the mountains and to the rocks, Fall on us, hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: for the great day of their wrath is come; and who is able to stand? (Rev. 6:16‑17)

      As we shall see, the coming of the Lord (and the rapture) starts at the beginning of the three‑and‑a‑half‑year Tribulation and ends with the physical return of Christ at the end of the Tribulation. The beginning of the coming of Christ (and the rapture) will occur without much specific prior warning and will catch the world by surprise. These events will alarm the world, and everyone will begin to realize what is happening.

Seek the Lord while He may be found; Call upon Him while He is near. (Isa. 55:6 NASB)

      We are now in the age of grace, with repentance and forgiveness of sins available to all men. The age of grace ends with the coming of the kingdom age and the coming of Christ. But the kingdom comes (in one aspect) three and a half years before Christ returns physically; and Christ begins to return three and a half years before His physical return to the Earth. According to all Scriptural implications (as we shall see) and the ramifications of free will, the age of grace may end at or shortly after the beginning of the Tribulation: repentance and forgiveness of sins, with regeneration, may not be available during the Tribulation (and certainly not afterwards).

        And when he had said these things, as they were looking, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they were looking steadfastly into heaven as he went, behold, two man stood by them in white apparel; who also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was received up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye beheld him going into heaven. (Acts 1:9‑11)

        And the stars shall be falling from heaven, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send forth the angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. (Mark 13:26‑27)

        And I saw, and behold, a white cloud; and on the cloud I saw one sitting like unto a son of man, having on his head a golden crown. And in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out from the temple, crying with a great voice to him that sat on the cloud, Send forth thy sickle, and reap: for the hour to reap is come; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud cast his sickle upon the earth; and the earth was reaped. (Rev. 14:14‑16)

        Then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (1 Thess. 4:17)

      Christ will return in the same way that He left: Sometime after the rapture of the man child and first‑fruits, He will leave His throne and come to the atmosphere of the Earth, hidden in the clouds. The living believers who are left will then be caught up to the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. The Judgement‑Seat of Christ will be set up in the clouds during this time (this is what the “one like unto a son of man”, Christ, will be sitting on), and it is then that the Lord will decide whether each believer will receive the reward of the millennial kingdom or suffer punishment (a further disciplining needed to bring them to maturity) during that time.

Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather up first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barn. (Matt. 13:30)

      As we have seen, the return of Christ will occur over a three and a half year period and will be of two aspects: firstly, in a hidden way as a thief in the night to steal away His most precious ones (the man‑child and the first‑fruits) and, secondly, at His actual visible return from the clouds. Thus are these and other apparently contradictory verses reconciled, being illustrations of the two differing aspects of the same process.

        And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Matt 24:31)

        And the seven angels that had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. (Rev. 8:6)

        For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we that are alive, that are left unto the coming of the Lord, shall in no wise precede them that are fallen asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump (et) of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first; then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (1 Thess. 4:15‑17)

      The rapture of the large majority of the living believers left on the earth after the rapture of the first‑fruits will occur towards the end of the Tribulation, almost certainly in the last three months.

Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump (et): for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (1 Cor. 16:5 1‑52)

        And the seventh angel sounded; and there followed goat voices in heaven, and they said, the kingdom of the world is become the kingdom of our Lord, and of his Christ: and he shall reign forever and ever. (Rev. 11:15)

        And the kingdom and the dominion, and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High: his kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. (Dan. 7:27)

      At the sounding of the last (the seventh) trumpet, all the remaining believers still on the earth will be raptured to the clouds, preceded by the dead in Christ who were not overcomers during their lifetimes and thus were not part of the man‑child. In this way all believers, living and dead, will stand before the judgment seat of Christ, to receive a reward (reign with Christ during the millennial kingdom) or suffer punishment (a further disciplining during the millennium), before the actual, physical return of Christ to the Earth after the sounding of the seventh trumpet.

THE LATE‑OVERCOMERS

      Unlike the rapture of the majority of the believers, the rapture of the first fruits (the living overcomers) will occur before the Tribulation. If you miss out on this and still want to be an overcomer, there is a "short‑cut" of sorts possible.

And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of them that had been slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: ... And there was given them to each one a white robe; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet a little time, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, who should be killed even as they were, should have fulfilled their course. (Rev. 6:9, 11)

        And it was given unto him to give breath to it, even to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as should not worship the image of the beast should be killed. (Rev 13:15)

        And I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty and four thousand, having his name, and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and the voice which I heard was as the voice of harpers harping with their harps: and they sing as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four living creatures and the elders: and no man could

learn the song save the hundred and forty and four thousand, even they that had been purchased out of the earth. (Rev. 14:1‑3)

        And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire; and them that come off victorious from the beast and from his image, and from the number of his name, standing by the sea of glass, having harps of God. And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb…(Rev. 15:2-3)

        And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them; and I saw that souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as worshipped not the beast, neither his image, and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (Rev. 20:4)

      When the Antichrist sets up his image in the temple at Jerusalem, you can go there, refuse to worship him, and be beheaded on the spot. If you do that, you also will reign with Christ during the millennial kingdom.

        Here is the steadfastness of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.  (Rev. 14:12)

      Who are those who keep the commandments of God? The Jews. Who are those who have the faith of Jesus? The Christians. The Antichrist will persecute both the Christians and the Jews when he rises to power. Also among the Late‑Overcomers will be the Jews who refuse to worship the image of the beast. Imagine his surprise when, after death, such a Jew (who is still awaiting a promised Messiah) is set on a throne by Christ to co‑reign with Him for a thousand years!

      But there is a catch to all this: as in everything else, self-effort is not of real value in regards to spiritual matters. The description of the Antichrist's persecution of God's people implied by the original language is that of making war on them by wearing them out, and not necessarily immediately putting them to death. If you go to Jerusalem with the intention of martyrdom but without the express leading of the Lord in your spirit to do so, most likely instead of being allowed to be a martyr, you will be thrown into prison and tortured. Everything is a matter of the Lord's will, not our self‑effort.

 

SUMMARY OF THE RAPTURE:

      Shortly before the Tribulation begins, the overcomers will be raptured to the throne of God in heaven. The dead overcomers (the man‑child) will be resurrected and raptured first, followed shortly by the living overcomers (the first‑fruits). The large majority of living believers will pass through most of the Tribulation and be raptured as the general harvest not to heaven but to the clouds. Toward the very end of the Tribulation and shortly before the literal physical return of the Lord to the Earth, the dead non‑overcomers, immediately followed by the living non‑overcomers still left on the earth, will be raptured to the clouds also. All of the believers will stand before the judgment seat of Christ, to receive a reward or suffer discipline. Those who need further disciplining to mature will be cast into outer darkness for the duration of the millennial kingdom. Those who receive a reward will return with the Lord to fight at Armageddon and reign with Him during the millennial kingdom, which will be a thousand‑year wedding feast. You cannot lose your salvation/regeneration. ALL born-again (believers) WILL be the New Jerusalem for eternity future.

 

[Revelation Man]

19 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Not just the church age but the entire dispensation in which we ALL, everyone, those who have received the mark and those who have not received the mark ALL go into the Lords Day.  The Lord returns to earth.  Period.  If He were coming to "Pre Trib" anyone He would not need to bring ANYONE with Him.  He is bringing armies and saints because He is coming to put Satan down and begin the Lords Day.

Well you can say that, think that and say that but its nit factually what is going to happen sister. 

He brings US with him when he comes back to save the Jews and from total anilhilation and to judge the world. Its actually the other way around. If Jesus was going to come save all the world first he could just WAIT and resurrect everyone afterwards, because Jesus don't need us to to defeat the Beast and his minions. You guys assume we get Raptured to the air and then just come straight back down. that is nonsensical to me. It only makes sense if we are going to marry the Lamb just like Rev. 19 says. People get the cart before the horse then are too ashamed to admit they made an error, its called the pride of life. But BEING WRONG, means were are RECEIVING FREE TUTORING fro  God/Holy Spirit, I love being wrong, because then I see truth, too many people are entrenched in their positions, it seems their positions are ALL IMPORTANT !!

The Saints are us, the Church. We come with him because we just married the Lamb in heaven, we are now heading to the marriage supper {Armageddon}.

19 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

You keep going to the feasts to set your timetable.  Where do we find GOD TELLING US the end times happen in that order?  

I am demonstrating a parable God has left us. just like Jesus told the disciples parables. There are hidden patterns all throughout the bible. I can tell the the TIME-TABLE without the Seven Feasts. I am pointing out to you that God PRE-ORDAINED the Rapture of the Gentile Church in Secret thus I TELL YOU A SECRET......Musterion in Greek means Secret by God's Silence. 

Abraham believed God so God counted that unto him as Righteousness. Moses delivered Israel from Egypt but it happened 200-300 years earlier then people suggest, thus the Scientists looking for evidence of the Exodus can't find it because they are looking in the wrong time periods. Daniel decreed that God's Judgment on Israel was not just 70 years as Jeremiah Prophesied, but 70 x 7 because of their continued sinning against God. {they loved Babylon}. 

When Jesus died that ENDED the 69th week of Judgment, the Decree says Israel MUST REPENT before the 70th week Judgment ends, so since Israel REJECTED Christ Jesus their Messiah God REJECTED THEM, He stated that unto Him they became as NOTHING {As Dead Men's Bones} and God refused to recognize their mere existence, He forsook Israel/Divorced them as Ezekiel's Valley of Dry Bones Prophecy stated. Then in 1948 God revived this bones, BUT He hasn't yet blown on them His LIVING BREATH via the Holy Spirit quickening those bones. That can only happen after the Church is Raptued, because God tells us that in Romans ch. 11. When the times of the Gentiles is up, God will lift the Blindness from Israel. 

These are all biblical facts. It's mostly the Message Board Warriors can't see it, they are gung ho to go through the tribulation because O guess they think they have TO PROVE their worth to God/Jesus, but God says our worth is as FILTHY RAGS !!

20 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Paul was to go to the gentiles.  One of the first letters he wrote was Thess.  They were MISUNDERSTANDING the first one way back then, so he wrote the second letter to be SUPER clear and EXPAIN  in no uncertain terms that WE DO NOT GATHER UNTIL AFTER Satan has stood where he ought nought.  3 times, back to back,  he was very clear about where EVERYONE would be when Christ returned, the Church which is made up of those Christ came to call better known as the lost sheep,  the gentiles to whom salvation had been opened and were now to be grafted into the branches and whomsoever would.    Paul had many more letters to HINT that there would be a "Pre" gathering and how the emphatic the letter to the Thesses should maybe not be quite so emphatic, yet he NEVER DID. You know why?  Because there is no Pre trib anything but death.   Christ NEVER SPOKE of it.  That doesn't bother you but  it does bother me.  

1. Paul told the Church they would DEPART before the DOTL came upon them. The word means DEPART [from earth] not FALL AWAY from the Faith. 

2. The Lost Sheep simple means he came to the Jews ONLY, nothing more, nothing less. You thinking the Lost Sheep are Jews is astonishing, no one agrees with that, as a matter of fact its in the bible whom God sent the Disciples unto via IN HIS NAME while he was still alive, he told them not to go unto the Gentiles, that his ministry was to Israel ONLY !! 

3. Jesus did speak of it, bit since he was ONLY CALLED to the Jews he knew it would play a minor part in their instructions, but nevertheless he did mention it, it BOTHERS ME that you can't discern these things sister. In Matthew 24:36-51 we get the RAPTURE LECTURE. But Paul saved the Rapture understanding for Paul an man he never met in the flesh until after he died. So if Jesus was saving the Rapture understanding for a man he wouldn't meet personally unto on the road to Damascus, why would he even speak that much about it ? It bothers me you can't put these things together sister.

20 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

It isn't only that.  I can't tell you how many places in the Word that a pre trib reference could have and/or should have been made IF IT WERE GODS TRUTH.  WHY does anyone believe there is a pre trib?  Because we are not appointed to suffer wrath and Satans trib has been combined with Gods wrath.  But in fact Gods Wrath doesn't even begin until the Lord returns.  Up until then it is just a testing.  Just like the testing will come at the end of the millennium.  

What part of this verse do you not understand sister ?

1 Cor. 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

#3466 μυστήριον musterion {moos-tay'-ree-on} from a derivative of muo (to shut the mouth); TDNT - 4:802,615; n n

—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) hidden thing, secret, mystery 1a) generally mysteries, religious secrets, confided only to the initiated and not to ordinary mortals 1b) a hidden or secret thing, not obvious to the understanding 1c) a hidden purpose or counsel 1c1) secret will 1c1a) of men 1c1b) of God: the secret counsels which govern God in dealing with the righteous, which are hidden from ungodly and wicked men but plain to the godly

—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

From a derivative of μύω [[muo]] (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites):—mystery.

—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)

So, my studies on this word MUSTERION {Mystery} led me to see it as meaning a Secret by God's SILENCE.....I think I am right on this. So Jesus/God kept this secret from the Jews because it pretty much doesn't pertain unto them, BUT, Jesus did tell his Disciples about the Rapture vaguely, then gave it to Paul in full, because the Gentile Church of the Church Age is whom will be Raptured for the most part. Why would I give Supper menus to guests who are eating lunch in my business ? I wouldn't. Matt. 24:36-51 is about the Rapture, the Jewish Disciples aske Jesus about THE END, so Jesus was obligated to tell them both the Second Coming {Matt. 24:29-31} AND The Rapture of the Church since they were a part of the Church of Christ. Amen. 

So its a MYSTERY {Secret}........That is why Jesus didn't speak about it to the Jews of his day, it didn't pertain unto them, save the Disciples. 

God's Wrath begins on day 1261, I understand the book of Revelation better than anyone I know. That is factual also......PAT MY OWN BACK......

20 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

You seem to think that "the church" has to go early for a wedding yet  it could  ONLY BE AN INCOMPLETE one.    You have those who are going to OVERCOME AND ENDURE TO THE END as not being a part of the many membered body. You have the 144,000 as not a part of the many membered body.   You have the very elect as not a part of the many membered body.  You have the two witnesses and not a part of the many membered body.  YET if as THE BIBLE tells us He returns a second time for the Day of Vengeance and ALL ARE CHANGED, at that point, ALL WHO make the first resurrection are present and accounted for.  

I know the Church is Raptured, I don't go by FEELINGS, I hear the holy spirits voice sister. Feelings will get you in trouble. I don't THINK..........I see it in the bible therefore I realize what In see and thus speak TRUTH to POWER. Those in te Tribulation come to Christ AFTER the Rapture, they are clearly called the Remnant [Church] in Rev. 12:17, the REMNANT of the SEED {Jesus} who have the Testimony of Jesus = The Remnant Church.

The 144,000 are ALL Israel, we are all ONE AND THE SAME.....timing means NOTHING to God per se. How are we all ONE sister ? What makes us ALL Righteous in Jesus Christ/God ? Because WE BELIEVE !! God accounted it as RIGHTEOUSNESS unto Abraham because he BELIEVED God. God CUT OFF Israel because of their UNBELIEF {Rom. 11}. God saved the Gentiles because we BELIEVED on Jesus Christ. God will save the Gentile AFTER the Rapture who REPENT on turn to Christ then lay down their lives for his names sake. Jesus will SAVE and PROTECT the 144,000 Jews {ALL Jews who Repent, which really means 1/3 as Zechariah 13:8-9 says, which really means 3-5 Million Jews worldwide since there are 15 million Jews worldwide. So God saves and PROTECTS them in Petra, AFTER the Raptuere be BEFORE the Seals are opened.

So Jesus will LIVE in Jerusalem for 1000 years with the Jews, the Martyrs who REFUSE the Mark of the Beast {SEE Rev. 20:4 Its DOCUMENTED} Live ON EARTH with Christ for 1000 years, it SPECIFICALLY SAYS ONLY the ones who REFUSE the Mark of the Beast live ON EARTH with Jesus for 1000 years. That tells us God has different plans BUT that only those who come unto Him BY FAITH receive Salvation. So we are ALL THE SAME regardless of WHEN we come unto Christ in that we all must come unto him by FAITH ALONE !! On either side of the Rapture....So WHAT'S DIFFERENT ? Nothing at all. 

We are ALL ONE.....you are worried about something that means nothing unto God....WHERE WE ARE AT....That means nothing unto God. We are God's Children, children of the light no matter where we are at. Since sinners can't enter Heaven, nor sin flesh, those who tarried will not be taken to Heaven. If someone like David had sin in his heart at the time of the Rapture {Someone LIKE HIM} then he would not make Heaven AT THAT TIME, bit he could still repent and make Heaven later, he just placed himself in the tribulation period. He will then have to most likely die to overcome.

The Two-witnesses were seen with Jesus at the TRANSFIGURATION, so I don't even get the point sister. 

The FIRST RESURRECTION is those IN CHRIST, whether they are raised up BEFORE the Tribulation/70th week or AFTER the 70th week MATTERS NOT, the Second Resurrection happens 1000 years later. The FIRST are those of God...........The SECOND are those in of Satan/lovers of Evil.

21 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Once again WHAT IS THE PURPOSE?  There are already billions in heaven.  What is the point for "most, BUT still NOT ALL" of the last generation to be flown away?  What is the RUSH all of a sudden?  Why not do it a couple generations back?  After all SOME are being left to STAND UP, FULLY SUITED IN THE GOSPEL ARMOR WITH FAITH TO KNOW THAT GOD WILL PROVIDE ALL needed and  willing to have a 10 day trial, being faithful unto death, not taking the mark of the beast and all the rest.  Why out of the last 6 thousand years would God, when a time of tribulation never seen or ever will be again take HIS PLAYERS out of the game, so to speak??  

Nobody goes to Heaven until the FIRST RESURRECTION save maybe Moses and Elijah. If they did why are the Dead RAISED in 1 Cor. 15 at the SAME TIME as those if us who are alive ? We got to Heaven because our Job on earth, SAVING SOULS is over, the Gospel will have been preached unto ALL THE WORLD, then the end comes {Matt. 24:14/70th week}. The number 10 stands in for FULLNESS/Completeness. So the 10 days means the LIFESPAN of a man, so now you see why 10 was used, no one can say this many days for you and this many days for you, instead Jesus told them you will have Tribulation 10 days {your entire life on earth} and those that OVERCOME will I give a Crown of Life to. So its about overcoming THIS WORLD that is Satan's playpen. Some aren't faced with death, some are faced with lust, greed etc. etc. etc. WE MUST OVERCOME til the very end [of our lives].

Because our MISSION is over on earth. That is why we go to Heaven. Why would we stay ?

21 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Why would all of a sudden the FINAL GENERATION this  not apply to? 

Because Paul was speaking to the Romans 2000 some odd years ago who were trying to build the Church....By the end time the Churches MISSION is OVER, see Matthew 24:14, when the Gospel is preached unto all the World, then the END {70TH WEEK} will come. And that is Israels last week of Judgment, NOT the Churches anything, we are Judged via Christs blood. They must REPENT thus they remain on earth, we have already REPENTED !!

21 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

What, the final generation is not to be made perfect?

 

We are ALL made perfect in Christ, not in WORKS.

21 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

EVEN Jesus resisted a temptation by the devil when He was at his weakest.  He showed us how to do it.  Then when it matters most, they all gone???   No, we are to put on that gospel armor and ARMOR is for battle, not a wedding.  

And so did we when we REPENTED and turned unto Jesus.

21 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

And He married Jerusalem  

Jerusalem means Israel. 

[Retrobyter]

On 2/27/2020 at 12:04 AM, Revelation Man said:

The things John SAW was Jesus Glorified...........

The Things which ARE were the Seven Churches during the Church Age............

The things which will be HEREAFTER equals the 70th week which comes right after the Rev. 4:1 Rapture of the Church........

What ? Its a vision !! He never leaves the earth. He left the earth in the vision which represented THE RAPTURE of the Church. 

No one goes to Heaven according to 1 Cor. 15, the DEAD ARISE and then those who are alive and remain are CHANGED in the twinkling of an eye. The Fig Tree is only showing us that NEAR Summer the Figs become ripe and fall, likewise when you see ALL THESE THINGS {Shown in Matt. 24} know that Summer is NEAR AT HAND !! So the Jews that see ALL THESE Signs will understand, so only the Jews living in the 70th week can fulfill this prophecy, Gentiles can see it to, but Jesus was speaking to the Jews living in Judea, because its a WARNING to them of what is coming. 

The Two-witnesses die 75 days before the Beast dies, almost at the very end, so the Rapture happens way before they come on the scene. 

Shalom, Revelation Man.

I've got to understand this: You said, "The things which will be HEREAFTER equals the 70th week which comes right after the Rev. 4:1 Rapture of the Church........ // What ? Its a vision !! He never leaves the earth. He left the earth in the vision which represented THE RAPTURE of the Church." And yet, you also said, "No one goes to Heaven according to 1 Cor. 15, the DEAD ARISE and then those who are alive and remain are CHANGED in the twinkling of an eye."

Are you saying that "the Rapture of the Church is NOT to Heaven?" If so, then where DO they go? Please give a coherent answer because this is CRUCIAL to the correct interpretation of the "Rapture."

[DeighAnn]

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

that is nonsensical to me. It only makes sense if we are going to marry the Lamb just like Rev. 19 says.
 

Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

AFTER WHAT THINGS???  THE THINGS IN REV 18.   What happened in 18?  Babylon is fallen. 

Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

 

So what THINGS come BEFORE REVELATION 19  
BABYLON IS FALLEN
Revelation 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 
Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Revelation 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.  

Who is being told to not be partakers of her sins and her plagues??  MY PEOPLE. So who must be here???  His people. 

Revelation 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Revelation 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

Revelation 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

Revelation 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Revelation 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

Revelation 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Revelation 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

Revelation 18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

Revelation 18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

Revelation 18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

Revelation 18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

Revelation 18:16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

Revelation 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

Revelation 18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

Revelation 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Who is coming for the Day of Vengeance?  Christ and the armies

Revelation 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

Revelation 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

Revelation 19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

Revelation 19:5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

Revelation 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant,

and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus:

WORSHIP GOD: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

AND what WAS/IS THAT PROPHECY?

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

Revelation 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 
 "BABYLON IS FALLEN"

Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
"BABYLON IS FALLEN"

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

 

 

[DeighAnn]

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I am pointing out to you that God PRE-ORDAINED the Rapture of the Gentile Church in Secret thus I TELL YOU A SECRET......Musterion in Greek means Secret by God's Silence. 

LOOK at how MANS DOCTRINE CAN/must CHANGE what is truly BEING said by God.   

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, (NO PRE TRIB TIME CHANGE HERE)

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump (which is the FURTHEREST ONE OUT, which MUST BE CHANGED by mans doctrine FOR IT TO FIT A PRE TRIB ANYTHING): for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

GOD EVEN MADE SURE TO USE THE WORD "LAST" as opposed to 7th.  GO LOOK UP THE GREEK DEFINITION OF THE WORD LAST Please.  

THE SECRET IS THAT NOT ALL 'SLEEP' but some are changed and never taste of death.  


AS for a "Gentile" Church, 

Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 
And many were converted. 

Acts 11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:

Acts 11:6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

Acts 11:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.

Acts 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.

Acts 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Acts 11:10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.

Acts 11:11 And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.

Acts 11:12 And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:

Acts 11:13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;

Acts 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved. (being grafted into the body of Christ, becoming Christians themselves)

Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
He wasn't going to even try to keep them from being a part of the Church.

Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God    ALSO    to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.    

This shows how THE GENTILES ARE to be  ALSO, AS IN ALONG WITH, GRANTED REPENTANCE.  They are no longer to be thought of as COMMON OR UNCLEAN.  WHEN anyone comes to faith they are to be adopted INTO the Church, THEY DON'T BECOME THE CHURCH and kick out all those Christ came for,  BUT A PART OF THE CHURCH or a part of the many membered body of Christ.  

 

1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

1 Corinthians 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

 

Galatians 2:3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:

Galatians 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

Galatians 2:5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

Galatians 2:6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:

Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

Galatians 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Ephesians 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Jesus who came to call the lost or scattered sheep WHO DOESN'T LOSE ONE OF THOSE, OPENED UP SALVATION TO THE GENTILE.  The "lost sheep" don't even know who they are anymore.  Are you a gentile or a lost sheep?  DOESN'T MATTER. 

Romans 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE JEW AND THE GREEK.  NOR GENTILE AND LOST SHEEP once we come to Christ.    WE ARE A MANY MEMBERED BODY.  NOT MEMBERS OF MANY BODIES.  

IF ONE PART OF THE BODY IS STAYING TO OVERCOME AND ENDURE TO THE END, THE REST OF THE BODY IS DOING THE EXACT SAME THING.  THE ONLY THING THAT can/will SEPARATE ONE FROM THE BODY of Christ IS DECEPTION.  WE ARE GIVEN MUCH WARNING ABOUT THE DECEPTION COMING to keep us from being deceived by his lies, MARKED, thereby SEPARATED (able to withstand the fiery darts of Satan).  WE WILL COME TO FIND OUT WHO is A PART OF THE BODY AND WHO IS ONLY playing A PART OR A ROLE AKA LOVING GOD WITH EMPTY WORDS BUT NO REAL TRUTH AND DEVOTION.  

 

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Doesn't sound like we need a "removal" from earth for that to remain TRUTH.  

[The Light]

8 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

AFTER WHAT THINGS???  THE THINGS IN REV 18.   What happened in 18?  Babylon is fallen. 

Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

 

So what THINGS come BEFORE REVELATION 19  
BABYLON IS FALLEN
Revelation 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 
Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Revelation 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.  

Who is being told to not be partakers of her sins and her plagues??  MY PEOPLE. So who must be here???  His people. 

Revelation 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Revelation 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

Revelation 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

Revelation 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Revelation 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

Revelation 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Revelation 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

Revelation 18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

Revelation 18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

Revelation 18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

Revelation 18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

Revelation 18:16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

Revelation 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

Revelation 18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

Revelation 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Who is coming for the Day of Vengeance?  Christ and the armies

Revelation 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

Revelation 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

Revelation 19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

Revelation 19:5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

Revelation 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant,

and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus:

WORSHIP GOD: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

AND what WAS/IS THAT PROPHECY?

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

Revelation 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 
 "BABYLON IS FALLEN"

Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
"BABYLON IS FALLEN"

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

 

I believe you are confused. It is not Christ and His armies that throw down Babylon. 

Rev 17

1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

Rev 17

¹⁶ And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

¹⁷ For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

[The Light]

On 2/28/2020 at 7:10 PM, Revelation Man said:

 

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The Last Trump of each year Ended the Harvest and called Israel to ATONE. It was the LAST TRUMP of the Feasts. Context matters, surly it was not the last time every year a Trump was blown in Israel, so its was the Last Trump that made an ANNOUNCEMENT via the Seven Feasts. It was not some Billy Bob blowing the shofar out in the desert, or maybe even David blowing the Shofar to greet someone. Its all about Context, and the context here is the HARVEST {Church Age} ENDS. You can get it or not sister, but I suspect if you have predisposed ideas you like many others will see what you wanna see.

Close you are Revelation Man. You say it yourself that the Last Trump of each year Ended the Harvest and called Israel to ATONE. Exactly, Israel. Not the Church. 

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The Last Trump ends the Church Age........ATONEMENT of Israel is still to come.

No sir. The Last Trump is for the 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth. It is the end of the age and the wrath of God begins. That is the fall fruit harvest as seen in Rev 14. The Church age ends with the early summer harvest. Pentecost is the feast of the early summer harvest. Everyone thinks that Pentecost has be fulfilled when the Holy Spirit was given to the Church. However, no harvest has occurred.

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Jesus will come back with the Church IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation.....

Sure Jesus comes back with the Church, but He stays in the clouds.

Mark 13

²⁴ But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

²⁵ And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

²⁶ And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

²⁷ And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Rev 14

¹⁴ And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

¹⁵ And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

¹⁶ And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

¹⁷ And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

¹⁸ And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

¹⁹ And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

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Matt. 24: 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Rev 6

¹² And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

¹³ And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

¹⁴ And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

¹⁵ And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

¹⁶ And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

¹⁷ For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The church age is over before the seals are opened. The 1st six seals are the tribulation. The Church is taken pre trib, in the early summer grain harvest. 

Then we see the gathering in Matt 24 and Rev 6. That is the Last Trump fall fruit harvest. That is the end of the age before the wrath of God begins. 

Edited March 1, 2020 by The Light

[DeighAnn]

6 hours ago, The Light said:

I believe you are confused. It is not Christ and His armies that throw down Babylon. 

Rev 17

1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

Rev 17

¹⁶ And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

¹⁷ For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

Please, let me know where.  

Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
One of the angels which HAD, therefore has already poured out, is going to show John the judgment on the great whore.  Who is that great whore?  Well,  if God is calling her a whore, then she has been unfaithful to Him, spiritually, making her "The deceived Church/the great falling away/the apostasy/state of confusion".  Those who have taken God as their only God and THEN by either lack of knowledge or willful ignorance, have been deceived by the miracles and wonders and deception of the Instead of Christ who wins over with flatteries and lies and a false promise of peace from him.     

Revelation 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
The whole world is whoring after Satan, believing that Satan, who has been kicked out of heaven with his angels,  who is now CLAIMING TO BE CHRIST RETURNED, has been taken in and the SPIRITUAL DEATH OF SOULS is running rampant.  People taking the mark and have NO IDEA they are being deceived

Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
The church is FULLY backing up the beast claiming to be "Christ returned".  Just as the church today is backing DOCTRINES OF MEN, which are making void the word of God.  The beast system of World Government having 7 heads and much power through Satan and the fallen angels. 

Revelation 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.  BUT THEY are believing a LIE.  They are worshipping ANOTHER.  

Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
God is ANGRY at those who CLAIM to love Him but are instead loving another.  THEY are FULLY CONFUSED and DECEIVED.  BUT they shouldn't be.  THEY have been told in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT WE are NOT GATHERed UNTIL AFTER. 

Christ never said word one about coming for the church.   Paul said the EXACT OPPOSITE IN FACT.   The Truth in Gods Word doesn't support it.  It goes against all God has done through the ages.  

Revelation 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
The woman, who should be TEACHING TRUTH, getting everyone PAST the milk of the Word and feeding with the MEAT of the Word,  have failed to teach THE LIFE SAVING IMPORTANCE about putting on the whole gospel armor to withstand the fiery darts of Satan.

An excellent description of WHY THE WORLD WILL BE DECEIVED

Hebrews 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Revelation 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
 KINGDOMS 

Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
And who is the only one by name sentenced to die?  Satan

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings ONE HOUR with the beast.
Why have they received no kingdom yet?  They are still in heaven with Satan.  Not till after the war in heaven and they are kicked out will they receive their kingdoms

Revelation 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
 

Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Faithful to overcome and endure to the end and to teach others the same

Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
 

Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
Satan HATES those who love God.  He is out to STEAL from God WHO EVER HE CAN.  He wants to deceive EVERYONE into worshipping him.  And the "church" is going to fall hook, line and sinker never realizing the abomination they are committing, until that Day of the Lord arrives.  REMEMBER HOW HE TEMPTED CHRIST. 

Revelation 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
 The kings of the earth hand over their kingdoms to the fallen angels. 

Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
Many say Rome.


Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Count down starts right then.

Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Revelation 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Revelation 11:11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


There is a putting down of SATAN  (the beast and the antichrist destroyed not to ever be around again) into the pit, and the immediate death of the 7000, when the Lord returns and there is a war when Satan is loosed again which God takes care of.

What you quote doesn't make sense to me in relation to your statement, if you could word it differently I might be able to follow.  

 

[The Light]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Please, let me know where.  

Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
One of the angels which HAD, therefore has already poured out, is going to show John the judgment on the great whore.  Who is that great whore?  Well,  if God is calling her a whore, then she has been unfaithful to Him, spiritually, making her "The deceived Church/the great falling away/the apostasy/state of confusion".  Those who have taken God as their only God and THEN by either lack of knowledge or willful ignorance, have been deceived by the miracles and wonders and deception of the Instead of Christ who wins over with flatteries and lies and a false promise of peace from him.     

Revelation 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
The whole world is whoring after Satan, believing that Satan, who has been kicked out of heaven with his angels,  who is now CLAIMING TO BE CHRIST RETURNED, has been taken in and the SPIRITUAL DEATH OF SOULS is running rampant.  People taking the mark and have NO IDEA they are being deceived

Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
The church is FULLY backing up the beast claiming to be "Christ returned".  Just as the church today is backing DOCTRINES OF MEN, which are making void the word of God.  The beast system of World Government having 7 heads and much power through Satan and the fallen angels. 

Revelation 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.  BUT THEY are believing a LIE.  They are worshipping ANOTHER.  

Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
God is ANGRY at those who CLAIM to love Him but are instead loving another.  THEY are FULLY CONFUSED and DECEIVED.  BUT they shouldn't be.  THEY have been told in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT WE are NOT GATHERed UNTIL AFTER. 

Christ never said word one about coming for the church.   Paul said the EXACT OPPOSITE IN FACT.   The Truth in Gods Word doesn't support it.  It goes against all God has done through the ages.  

Revelation 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
The woman, who should be TEACHING TRUTH, getting everyone PAST the milk of the Word and feeding with the MEAT of the Word,  have failed to teach THE LIFE SAVING IMPORTANCE about putting on the whole gospel armor to withstand the fiery darts of Satan.

An excellent description of WHY THE WORLD WILL BE DECEIVED

Hebrews 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Revelation 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
 KINGDOMS 

Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
And who is the only one by name sentenced to die?  Satan

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings ONE HOUR with the beast.
Why have they received no kingdom yet?  They are still in heaven with Satan.  Not till after the war in heaven and they are kicked out will they receive their kingdoms

Revelation 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
 

Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Faithful to overcome and endure to the end and to teach others the same

Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
 

Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
Satan HATES those who love God.  He is out to STEAL from God WHO EVER HE CAN.  He wants to deceive EVERYONE into worshipping him.  And the "church" is going to fall hook, line and sinker never realizing the abomination they are committing, until that Day of the Lord arrives.  REMEMBER HOW HE TEMPTED CHRIST. 

Revelation 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
 The kings of the earth hand over their kingdoms to the fallen angels. 

Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
Many say Rome.


Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Count down starts right then.

Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Revelation 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Revelation 11:11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


There is a putting down of SATAN  (the beast and the antichrist destroyed not to ever be around again) into the pit, and the immediate death of the 7000, when the Lord returns and there is a war when Satan is loosed again which God takes care of.

What you quote doesn't make sense to me in relation to your statement, if you could word it differently I might be able to follow.  

 

We are talking about who carries out the judgment of Babylon. From what I can gather, you say it is Christ and his armies. The word as I quoted says it is the 10 horns that carry out the judgment of Babylon.

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3 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

No, you should not tell that. DeighAnn is not confused, oh no, it seems you are confused, EXCEPT that it is not JESUS personally who WILL throw down Babylon.

Who REALLY makes WAR and WILL fight against the idolater Babylon is Michael and his armies, even he is who will Judge and makes War: Revelation 12:v.7 and 19:v.11. Inclusive there will be RESURRECTION now in this period of War makes by Michael (Daniel 12:v.1-3). Furthermore, it is Michael who will SOUND the LAST TRUMPET.  2Thes.4:v.15-17:

 

No, the word says that the ten horns are God's instrument in the judgment of Babylon. What you quote is completely out of context.