Rapture before the antichrist in Matthew 24

[Revelation Man]

On 3/23/2020 at 2:38 PM, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

Anyway, your post gave me a chance to tell not only to you, but everyone, to get themselves ready for the FIRST WOE that will happen very soon. Keep in mind that the Earth is infested with locusts, but they are spread or scattered around the world, understand? Why are they "flying" around or out there?

Now, now, this is because until this current time they are without their king, the king of darkness, understand? But now, even now, their king is coming, he will gather all of them as a gigantic crowd, as if they were one, and they will darken the Sun, they will darken the Light as if they were a black cloud. Then the FIRST WOE begins, something like the beginning of the hell's fire.

Be prepared

Be Prepared if you miss the Rapture. The Seals are opened at the Midway point of the 70th week. 

 

On 3/23/2020 at 2:38 PM, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

Isaiah 26:v.20-21

20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and SHUT thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

This is about Israel going to the Petra/Bozrah area for God to protect them. 

Edited March 25, 2020 by Revelation Man

[The Light]

12 hours ago, Traveler said:

No its not.

The seals are opened before the ant-christ is established with his beast system. The seals are the events that lead up into his rise to power. But it cannot happen until the saints are out of here. Hence the reason there is so much action being taken to destroy the saints right now.

And how does this disagree with what I am saying. I'm saying that the Church will be raptured before the seals are opened as we can see the Church in heaven in Rev 5. However during the 70th week God will turn His attention to the 12 tribes that are across the earth.

[The Light]

On 3/22/2020 at 7:08 PM, Revelation Man said:

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 The Jews can't be THE REMNANT spoken of, the 1/3 are PROTECTED and the 2/3 are NOT of God !! Its obvious the Remnant is the Gentile believers who became saved after the Rapture, in other words the 5 Brides who were locked out of the Wedding. 

Brother, there are Jews all over the world. When the beast goes after the nation of Israel, 1/3 flee to a place of protection. The beast is angry and goes after the remnant of her seed. Her seed is the Jews that are all over the world. They are the remnant. The fullness the Gentiles comes in at the pretrib rapture. Part of the blindness is lifted off Israel. That part is those Jews that are across the earth. They are the ones that will be looking up, as their redemption will draw near. If the days were not cut short, there would be no flesh alive to be caught up to salvation. There is absolutely not a REMNANT GENTILE CHURCH. Jesus says I know you not to the foolish virgins. In Matt 24 He says there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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Well you don't seem to be able to digest facts when they cause your ideas of old to evaporate brother. The SEED of the Woman was/is the Church. Not the Jews who were married to God the Father. The 1/3 are PROTECTED the 2/3 are NOT of God....why is that so hard to grasp ? Because it knocks down your belief brother, men have the PRIDE of Life

Why can't you see that there are Jews all over the world. Many will be killed in the wars, famine and pestilence of the seals. Then they will be hunted down and killed by the beast when he can't get to the woman who is in a place of protection. Why can't you see that there are 144,000 FIRST FRUITS. First Fruits, according to God, guarantees a harvest. There is a difference between the Jews that are across the earth and the Jews in the nation of Israel. The Jews that are across the earth are remnant seed of the woman. The Church is in heaven before the seals are opened, see Rev 5.

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P.S. No days are going to be cut shorter than the original 7 year plan

Well we can agree on that.

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So  by your way of thinking no Gentile can become a Christian after the Rapture ?

No, I won't say that because of the fields are not gleaned during the harvest. The gleanings are left for the poor and stranger. However, I will say that anyone that has heard the Gospel and rejected it, will be given strong delusion and believe the lie. Those that have heard the Gospel and did not receive Jesus as their savior won't get another chance. God says to the foolish virgins, I know you not.

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If they can, and the Church is IN HEAVEN then they have to be deemed THE REMNANT. Logical thinking brother, we are in Heaven at that time, so the Church on earth has to be the Remnant Church.

Brother, there is no Remnant Church. The remnant seed of the woman is the Jews across the earth, that the beast goes after when he can't get to the woman. The womans seed is the Jew across the earth.

 

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Well, just because you believe that doesn't make it so brother.  The remnant CAN'T be the Jews but because you believed that for so long it has to be so. Well I once thought the sane way, and I was OK with being wrong, that is why God can show me His word in this instance, I don't care about being wrong. Its a good thing to me when God can teach me His truths, I am happy to be wrong.

It is so, because the Word says it is so.

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Gotta go back to eating beans and lettuce, orders from the wifey. Long live the Midnight Fridge Raid !!

He settle down there. Eat what you are supposed to eat. I have broken the midnight fridge raid cycle. Don't put ideas in my head. LOL.

 

[Desopixi Seilynam]

Matthew 24:28-31 is in bold.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened

"there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth" Rev. 6:12

and the moon shall not give her light

"and the moon became as blood" Rev 6:12

and the stars shall fall from the sky, and the powers of the sky shall be shaken

"And the stars of the sky fell unto the land, even as a fig tree drops its late figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind" Rev 6:13

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in the sky: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn,

and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.

"And the sky split apart as a scroll... and [all people] hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains" Rev 6:14-15

"And said to the mountains.. fall on us and hide us from the face of Him that sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of His wrath has come" Rev 6:16-17.

 

The end of Matthew 24 and Revelation 6 clearly both describe the day of the Lord. The day of the Lord is a day of resurrection;

 

And He shall send forth His angles with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds

 

And it is a day of wrath; the voice of the Lord being heard before His army; Joel 2:11. An army of resurrected people; Ezekiel 37:9-10, Matthew 24:31; "from the four winds".

 

For the Lord shall descend with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, 

and the dead in Christ shall rise first, then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

 

To be part of the army prophesied in Ezekiel 37:9-10, Jude 1:14-15 and Revelation 19:14;

literally caught up together with them in the clouds; to enjoy the marriage supper of the Lamb. 

 

For wheresoever the bodies are, there will the birds be gathered together. Matthew 24:28, Luke 17:37

For; the rest were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded from His mouth,

and all the birds were filled with their flesh. Revelation 19:21. Revelation 19:7-21 specifically describes the marriage supper.

Resurrections, not a rapture. 

 

Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom... Matthew 25:1

[The Light]

On 3/22/2020 at 7:21 PM, Revelation Man said:

 

You say you are PRE TRIB then follow the Post Trib idea, talk about confused !! YIKES !! 

I am not at all confused.

Again, there is a pretrib rapture of the Church. We can see the Church in heaven BEFORE the seals are opened. This is the early summer harvest, the grain harvest.

Then God turns His attention to the Jews that are scattered all over the earth. This part of Israel will have it blindness removed. It is the time of Jacobs trouble. During this time there are 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes PROVING that there will be a harvest of the 12 tribes. This harvest happens before the wrath of God. The twelve tribes that are scattered across the earth will be gathered from the earth and the Church will be gathered from heaven. They stay in the clouds with the Lord and then return to heaven for the marriage supper. Meanwhile the nation of Israel will go through the wrath of God in a place of protection.

All can be supported by scripture, if you would only read what is says, instead of creating your OWN timeline to make things fit, WHERE THEY DON'T GO.

 

[iamlamad]

On 3/20/2020 at 9:13 PM, The Light said:

Okay, I found them. However, I couldn't find a thing that said this period of time was in the 70th week. However, I am able to find the FACT that the tribulation is over before the wrath of God begins. I was also able to determine that the abomination of desolation occurred 1290 days after the daily sacrifice is taken away which we can prove was on day 1185. That puts the AOD day on day 2475 which is at the end of the week, and that's before the wrath of God begins. Maybe you should check your numbers.

What is your definition of "the tribulation?" Most good bible students use "the 70th week" for "the tribulation?"

Sorry, there IS NO FACT as you say. What? Are you ad libbing "facts?" 

It is plain you don't understand the 1290 days or the 1185 days. 

Let's learn, shall we?

The 70th week is 7 years of 360 day years. This is a simple fact (TRUE fact) of the Old Cevenant. 

7 times 360  = 2520 days for the entire week.

2520 / 2 - 1260 days.

WOW! How amazing John used this 1260 days twice! Wake up! This is the last half of the week. 

30 days makes up one month of a 360 day year.

2520 days in the entire 70th week, divided by 30  = 84 months for the entire 70th week. 85/2 = 42 months.
WOW! How amazing that John used this 42 month period of time TWICE in REvelation, both times for the last half of the 70th week.  These are TRUE facts. 

Therefore your numbers are totally fake. However, I doubt if you are willing to learn, so just wait until the 70th week is here. 

[The Light]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

What is your definition of "the tribulation?" Most good bible students use "the 70th week" for "the tribulation?"

Sorry, there IS NO FACT as you say. What? Are you ad libbing "facts?" 

It is plain you don't understand the 1290 days or the 1185 days. 

Let's learn, shall we?

The 70th week is 7 years of 360 day years. This is a simple fact (TRUE fact) of the Old Cevenant. 

7 times 360  = 2520 days for the entire week.

2520 / 2 - 1260 days.

WOW! How amazing John used this 1260 days twice! Wake up! This is the last half of the week. 

30 days makes up one month of a 360 day year.

2520 days in the entire 70th week, divided by 30  = 84 months for the entire 70th week. 85/2 = 42 months.
WOW! How amazing that John used this 42 month period of time TWICE in REvelation, both times for the last half of the 70th week.  These are TRUE facts. 

Therefore your numbers are totally fake. However, I doubt if you are willing to learn, so just wait until the 70th week is here. 

Wow. You don't know the difference between the tribulation and the wrath of God. You also don't know the order of Revelation. I would say "Let's learn, shall we?" but I know it would be a waste of effort. Ah, here's a spoiler: The 1260 days is after the 70th week.

[Revelation Man]

6 hours ago, Traveler said:

So after 48 pages have we found any two in agreement ?

The wrong angle....Jesus never agreed with the Pharisees on many doctrines, of course there were some even they got, likewise we all now the blood of Jesus saves us. BUT.........we are commissioned to take the Gospel unto the Masses via the truth, and there is but one truth, there is thus no room for compromise on truths. On unknown issues, we can knock it around, but we are in the last days, there should be no unknown issues for end time prophecy, just people who were not called to teach prophecy trying to teach prophecy. When I go forth in  TRUTH, why would I look to compromise? 

P.S. to save another post I will say this here....The First 5 Seals ARE the Anti-Christ's ACTIONS on earth for the coming 42 months.

Edited March 25, 2020 by Revelation Man

[Revelation Man]

On 3/23/2020 at 8:29 AM, The Light said:

Exactly. Chapters 12-19 are a different view of chapters 6-11. 

Chapters 10-14 AND 17, 18 & 19 are a pointing us to different ISSUES going on during chapters 6, 7, 8, 9, 15&16 which could basically be ONE Chapter. In other words the THE Judgment Chapters (IN RED) are followed by these Parenthetical Citation Chapters that point us to SPECIFIC EVENTS during those SAME 42 Months save Rev. 14 and 19 which cover the full 7 Years AND Rev. 11 which begins 75 days BEFORE Rev. 6 actually starts, because the Two-witnesses MUST show up BEFORE the Beast because they DIE (75 days ?) before the Beast dies.  

Rev. 1 is Jesus Glorified {The things which you have SEEN}

Rev. 2 and 3 are the Church Age Years on earth {the things which ARE}

Rev. 4:1 is the Rapture of the Church...................................................

Rev. 4 and 5 AS YOU KNOW = the Church seen in Heaven after the Church Age thus it is the {things that are HEREAFTER}

Rev. 6, 7, 8, 9, 15&16 are the coming Judgment Chapters, this ENDS the rule of Satan over Mankind in Rev. 16:19. Babylon Falls {Satan's Dark Kingdom on earth}

Rev. 10 seems to be a flash forward of some type to the very end. Its the only chapter that kinda eludes me because I don't see that much importance on the BoR.

Rev. 11 is the Two-witnesses showing up 75 days BEFORE the Seals are opened, and thus they die 75 days BEFORE the Beast dies, at the 2nd Woe vs. the 7th Vial.

Rev. 12 starts with the First Seal, its evident because the Woman {Israel} flees for 1260 days. The Beast rules for 12690 days and the Beast Conquers Jerusalem.

Rev. 13 also starts with the First Seal, it is the Anti-Christ Conquering the Holy peoples {Dan. 12:7} to become the Beast for 1260 days.

Rev. 14 covers the FULL 7 Years. Its the Harvest Chapter, we see the Wheat {Israel} and Tares {Wicked} who grow together until the END. Then in a sorta Soliloquy, we see the Church being Raptured by Jesus in verse 14, from  upon a cloud he thrusts in the Sickle and calls the Church home, pre 70th week.

Rev. 15&16 is God making His riddle hard for the world to understand by giving it unto us out of order. LOL. It worked. We should be able to understand it.

Rev. 17 also starts basically with the First Seal as it is the plan of the coming Anti-Christ to DESTROY all other Religions but Beast Worship. The Harlot is Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Mormonism, the FALSE gods of the Romans/Greeks/Egyptians, Witchcraft etc. all. The Harlot thus RIDES the Beast down through the ages, they were always co-mingled until the last Beast Gov. decided to do away with all Religions but ONE !! Serve the Beast or DIE!! {Rev. 13:15}

Rev. 18 starts with the First Seal also, it is the Judgment of Babylon {The Whole World} and thus from the Seals  to the 7 Vials Babylon is thus Judged via the Wrath of God over this 42 month period of time {3.5 years}. Babylon is the whole World, God tells us that in Rev. 16:19, NO ONE can dispute this, He calls those He defeats at the 7th Vial Babylon the great. So who were they ? LOOK, at Vial #6 it says they are the KINGS OF THE WHOLE WORLD !! BOOM !!

Rev. 19 like Rev. 14 covers the full 7 years of the 70th week, we see the church BEFORE she Marries the Lamb, then we see her RETURN with Christ Jesus as his Bride from the Fathers Mansion {Wedding Chambers}. We then see her feast on the evil {Metaphorically of course} at Armageddon. 

Rev. 20 is the Judgment Seat, those in the Remnant Church are Raised and Judged here, it SPECIFICALLY SAYS these refused to take the Mark of the Beast and THEY [ALONE] shall live and serve on earth with Christ for 1000 years. I guess the Church who was Raptured pre 70th week go back and ready New Jerusalem.

Rev. 21 and 22 is the Ever After and the coming New Jerusalem. 

Edited March 25, 2020 by Revelation Man

[Revelation Man]

15 hours ago, The Light said:

Brother, there are Jews all over the world. When the beast goes after the nation of Israel, 1/3 flee to a place of protection. The beast is angry and goes after the remnant of her seed.

WHO HAVE THE TESTIMONY of Jesus or keep the Commandments of God which they do not if they are the 2/3. God is not giving us some passage that describes a Few Jews who REPENTED in America but didn't make it to Petra, Hes giving us the BIG PICTURE, the 1/3 are chased and PROTECTED and the Remnant of Her SEED {Jesus} is the Church. The Rapture happens pre 70th week, not just before the Seal, but 3.5 years before the Seals are opened !! Between the RAPTURE and the First Seal being opened {which begins the DOTL} there are many Gentiles saved and thus they are the Martyrs under the Altar, not the Jews per se, though a few may be the Martyrs also, THE MARTYRS are speaking about the Gentile Remnant Church. It doesn't matter who understand this or not, its not changing.

15 hours ago, The Light said:

Why can't you see that there are Jews all over the world. Many will be killed in the wars, famine and pestilence of the seals. Then they will be hunted down and killed by the beast when he can't get to the woman who is in a place of protection. Why can't you see that there are 144,000 FIRST FRUITS. First Fruits, according to God, guarantees a harvest. There is a difference between the Jews that are across the earth and the Jews in the nation of Israel. The Jews that are across the earth are remnant seed of the woman. The Church is in heaven before the seals are opened, see Rev 5.

look, i am through debating this, if you can't grasp it, I shant chew my cud over and over. The Remnant is the Church on earth who give their lives to Christ DURING the 70th week Tribulation period and lay down their lives. The 1/3 are protected the 2/3 do not SERVE God !! FACTS.

15 hours ago, The Light said:

Why can't you see that there are Jews all over the world. Many will be killed in the wars, famine and pestilence of the seals. Then they will be hunted down and killed by the beast when he can't get to the woman who is in a place of protection. Why can't you see that there are 144,000 FIRST FRUITS. First Fruits, according to God, guarantees a harvest. There is a difference between the Jews that are across the earth and the Jews in the nation of Israel. The Jews that are across the earth are remnant seed of the woman. The Church is in heaven before the seals are opened, see Rev 5.

So since the VAST MAJORITY of the Church are seen in Heaven in Rev. 4 and 5 and in Rev. 9-17, doesn't that mean the Church on earth is a REMNANT? 

15 hours ago, The Light said:

Brother, there is no Remnant Church. The remnant seed of the woman is the Jews across the earth, that the beast goes after when he can't get to the woman. The womans seed is the Jew across the earth.

 

This "BLOCKAGE" comes from Men's Tradition in the mind, I used to be on the same kick. Its just so easy to see what God is speaking about here. The 1/3 can't be the Remnant, the 2/3 {I honestly assume by this time almost every Jew will be in Israel out of fear at what is coming, after the Rapture things will seem like Hitler is right around the corner} will be those Jews who do not REPENT and thus WILL PERISH like Zechariah 13:8-9 says, but because you always believed it meant Jews IT HAS TO BE Jews, even though it is not Jews. Gal. ch. 3 tells is there is ONE SEED and that is Jesus, this is what I am good at brother, prophecy, I have been given a gift to see things, I was very good in chess at a young age, God showed me in a vision in 1986 that the "Man of Sin" was in the World, so it is my calling. I see these things others might not can grasp. Its a gift of God, of course. That SEED is Jesus and thus its the Remnant of Jesus followers, who have the testimony of Jesus and keep the Commandments of God AND who are a Remnant. There are like 15 million Jews on earth, there are 8 billion people give or take a few million, The Remnant will be those who lay down their lives for Christ, not the Jews who did not Repent brother. And God isn't going to mention 40 Jews who die in America, they would just fall into the SAME CATEGORY as the remnant who died for Christ Jesus' name !! The Gentiles who come to Christ AFTER the Rapture will be in the Millions maybe 100's of Millions, they will die instead of convert. THAT'S the Remnant !!

15 hours ago, The Light said:

Brother, there is no Remnant Church. The remnant seed of the woman is the Jews across the earth, that the beast goes after when he can't get to the woman. The womans seed is the Jew across the earth.

 

No it doesn't, that is just what you always believed, as I did, but once the Holy Spirit reproofs it I follow along.

16 hours ago, The Light said:

On 3/22/2020 at 7:08 PM, Revelation Man said:

He settle down there. Eat what you are supposed to eat. I have broken the midnight fridge raid cycle. Don't put ideas in my head. LOL.

 

Yea, I will....I took my A1C from 12 to 6 in like 8 months. 

13 hours ago, The Light said:

I am not at all confused.

Again, there is a pretrib rapture of the Church. We can see the Church in heaven BEFORE the seals are opened. This is the early summer harvest, the grain harvest.

Then God turns His attention to the Jews that are scattered all over the earth. This part of Israel will have it blindness removed. It is the time of Jacobs trouble. During this time there are 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes PROVING that there will be a harvest of the 12 tribes. This harvest happens before the wrath of God. The twelve tribes that are scattered across the earth will be gathered from the earth and the Church will be gathered from heaven. They stay in the clouds with the Lord and then return to heaven for the marriage supper. Meanwhile the nation of Israel will go through the wrath of God in a place of protection.

All can be supported by scripture, if you would only read what is says, instead of creating your OWN timeline to make things fit, WHERE THEY DON'T GO.

 

I know, but you seem to be arguing for a Pre Seal Rapture as in JUST BEFORE the Seals are opened, which would not be a pre 70th week Rapture. Am I mistaken on this? 

I don't think the Jews will be all over the Earth by this time, I think they will be in Israel for the most part. Remember, this comes 3.5 years AFTER the Rapture so they can see what is coming. The BLINDNESS does not describe Jews per se, it does, but it is speaking about the Blindness of the Nation as a whole. Once ENOUGH Jews Repent God then sees them as a National Entity who are His Bride once again. The Time of Jacobs Troubles AND God's Wrath covers the exact same 42 month period of time. Which is why in Rev. 18 God tells her to COME OUT OF Babylon {The world}. 

They are Harvested at the VERY END, Rev. 14 covers the full 7 Years. The 144,000 are more like 2 million Jews. Is a Metaphor for ALL Israel. Seeing as 12 is the number that stands for FULLNESS we can see that 12 x 12,000 = ALL Israel as Paul stated in Rom. 11 quoting Isaiah of course. In essence LOOK at where the 144,000 are seen, LOOK........LOOK.........LOOK......See it ? In between the 6th Seal and 7th Seal, REMEMBER, ALL 7 Seas have to be opened before ANY Judgments start. The Seals are whats COMING over the 42 month period of time, not what is happening at that exact moment. Jesus is opening all 7 Seals on Day 1261, thus there is 1260 days left for the Beast to RULE Israel/Jerusalem and the MANY [Nations] in the Region. 

So BEFORE the Judgments start we see the 144,000 being SEALED {Reaching Petra} so that God's Plagues will not hurt them, like Rev. 18 says, COME OUT OF HER my People. NOTICE: The Angel proclaims HURT NOT the Sea, Trees nor Earth until the 144,000 {Fleeing Jews} have been sealed/protected. Well what do the First Four Trumps do ? THINK NOW............They hurt the TREES.......SEAS......and the Earth !! Boom. Its just the Jews who repented Fleeing Judea brother. 

God Bless.....I don't conform to men's ideas.....I call upon God for His answers.