Unsettling thought

[CaptWalker]

I honestly don't think we will be around long enough for any children born within the last few years to even reach that age of accountability, which is usually about 12 years, but some people feel different i guess? But any children under that age are innocent in God's eyes, including aborted ones. (Ecclesiastes-6:3) But i know you are taking this very seriously so only God can ease your mind concerning this, so just keep praying for that answer if you still feel confused about it.  

[Neighbor]

2 hours ago, DustyRoad said:

Walking up to someone who is suffering and informing them that they shouldn't be upset because of "blah blah blah" isn't meaningful in the least. It does more harm than good. 

So maybe that is why God provides some the very care givers He has to date?  Makes the whole rest of the day seem good by comparison.

How about a little morning, Sousa Marching music? SOUND OFF! The president's own Marine marching Band, on You Tube followed by UNCOMMON VALOR  Go for it, I do.

[missmuffet]

5 hours ago, Single Again said:

Hopefully you can help me with a thought that I can’t seem to shake.  It’s about having children and Hell.  Knowing that few choose to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, and thus are doomed to spend eternity in Hell, when we decide to bring a child into this world, are we not not in some way responsible for sending them to Hell?  Is not the only way to be 100% certain that your child will not suffer in Hell is to not have them in the first place? I’m heartbroken at the thought that my child may go to Hell.  Would it not have been better to not have her in the first place?  

If a person is a born again Christian they will bring their children up with the Lord. If they get older and they move away from God that is not our fault. Our children were taught about Jesus Christ. If a person is not a believer they do not care. What if God decided to have not created us because He thought someday very few people would come to Him?

[Abrielle]

(I apologize for the absence of paragraphs, my enter key is broken.) We are all daughters and sons. Now you are a Mother and maybe forgetting that you yourself are a daughter, who is the daughter of a daughter and son, etc. I don’t like to be personal, but i think personal experiences may help you gain some perspective, hence here it goes mine:   My father had to raise me almost all by himself, as my mother made other choices in life when i was around 8. My upbringing with my mother was Mormon (i would have many comments about this, but i will just say that i rejected the Book of Mormon ever since i remember being myself.) I enjoyed reading the Bible and always sang hymns when i was alone. My father, who had been an atheist all his life, started to engage in the occult and i was forced to participate, until i was 11. I did tell him "this is very wrong, you talk about God but nothing here is godly, i can show you in the Bible."  Each time i said something right, my father yelled harder at me. I was so afraid of him, yet i did keep my God in mind and He was always there. Regardless of my age, He putted the feeling of what is right in my heart, way before i could understand and explain why those things were right and others were wrong. I had to make my own choice by then: would i follow this warmth, or would i be broken by the fear i had of the adults in my life and obey what i knew was wrong? It was my choice. Years later, my father did become a Christian and i was so grateful. However, time went by and he denied Christ, mocking Jesus’ death and so on. My father considers himself a Jew who has returned home. He is proud of that, but he doesn't live a jewish life. What is important here is: His spirituality and example don't overlap with mine. Some parents and children can have parallel experiences, but even their experiences with God don’t overlap each other. Each person has their individual life and experience with God. As if this weren’t enough, God used my father many times, not only in my childhood, but also in recent years. In 2015, i was weak in faith and kept praying to God. My faith became not only a feeling, but also something rational to me, when in pray i was presented with facts from my past. God took care of me when i lived alone with my father. My father was very ignorant and arrogant, very proud and the more i was insecure the more he felt superior. But sometimes, he told me things so wise, so right, so fair, so unlike him, that i am sure it was God using him, which proved God’s existence to me. I love my father very much and i am so grateful because he gave me the best he could give, but he would never be able to bring those thoughts to his mind by himself. He was able to feel the need to be better to me and this opened his heart for God to work through him. My father, in his erroneous ways, was still a tool and played a great role in strengthening my faith. If i end up in hell (which i don’t believe is eternal in time),  it will be my responsibility. I have had my personal relationship with God since i was little. He called me to read His Bible, He told me to not believe false prophets, he showed me how spirits and playing with those things were wrong, He helped me in my fears, He disciplined my thoughts. Nothing was done by me, i was only a child who paid attention, regardless of the adults in my life. You, @Single Again , weren't left alone; your daughter is not alone and she will never be punished for your mistakes. And one day your daughter will be a mother too. What would you tell her if she had the same doubts you have now? You have a daughter who Jesus can claim for Himself. Aren't we guilty of His sacrifice? Being guilty of this hurts more than hell. Even so, as guilty as we are, we are treated as royalty, we don't eat with the pigs, we live inside our Father's house. We are given the joy Coliseum wrote about, we have the certainty that Abby-Joy mentioned. We cannot hide our blessings in the ground. I hope you can rest your heart and mind in our God. Motherhood is a great responsibility, but He gave you a much easier and fair job than the one you are putting upon you. 

Edited February 10, 2020 by Abrielle

[Not me]

2 hours ago, Not me said:

@Single Again

Life is the greatest gift there is. To not give the gift, because you fear how that gift might be used, would be taking someone else’s choice away from them. And that would not be love...As painful as it might be, love demands you give them the choice...

(my thinks) 

In Christ, Not me 

 

Having said what I said above, I wonder if this was not the question before God’s heart, before He created any creatures? 

 

With all do respect, Not me 

[Coliseum]

23 minutes ago, Abrielle said:

(I apologize for the absence of paragraphs, my enter key is broken.) We are all daughters and sons. Now you are a Mother and maybe forgetting that you yourself are a daughter, who is the daughter of a daughter and son, etc. I don’t like to be personal, but i think personal experiences may help you gain some perspective, hence here it goes mine:   My father had to raise me almost all by himself, as my mother made other choices in life when i was around 8. My upbringing with my mother was Mormon (i would have many comments about this, but i will just say that i rejected the Book of Mormon ever since i remember being myself.) I enjoyed reading the Bible and always sang hymns when i was alone. My father, who had been an atheist all his life, started to engage in the occult and i was forced to participate, until i was 11. I did tell him "this is very wrong, you talk about God but nothing here is godly, i can show you in the Bible."  Each time i said something right, my father yelled harder at me. I was so afraid of him, yet i did keep my God in mind and He was always there. Regardless of my age, He putted the feeling of what is right in my heart, way before i could understand and explain why those things were right and others were wrong. I had to make my own choice by then: would i follow this warmth, or would i be broken by the fear i had of the adults in my life and obey what i knew was wrong? It was my choice. Years later, my father did become a Christian and i was so grateful. However, time went by and he denied Christ, mocking Jesus’ death and so on. My father considers himself a Jew who has returned home. He is proud of that, but he doesn't live a jewish life. What is important here is: His spirituality and example don't overlap with mine. Some parents and children can have parallel experiences, but even their experiences with God don’t overlap each other. Each person has their individual life and experience with God. As if this weren’t enough, God used my father many times, not only in my childhood, but also in recent years. In 2015, i was weak in faith and kept praying to God. My faith became not only a feeling, but also something rational to me, when in pray i was presented with facts from my past. God took care of me when i lived alone with my father. My father was very ignorant and arrogant, very proud and the more i was insecure the more he felt superior. But sometimes, he told me things so wise, so right, so fair, so unlike him, that i am sure it was God using him, which proved God’s existence to me. I love my father very much and i am so grateful because he gave me the best he could give, but he would never be able to bring those thoughts to his mind by himself. He was able to feel the need to be better to me and this opened his heart for God to work through him. My father, in his erroneous ways, was still a tool and played a great role in strengthening my faith. If i end up in hell (which i don’t believe is eternal in time),  it will be my responsibility. I have had my personal relationship with God since i was little. He called me to read His Bible, He told me to not believe false prophets, he showed me how spirits and playing with those things were wrong, He helped me in my fears, He disciplined my thoughts. Nothing was done by me, i was only a child who paid attention, regardless of the adults in my life. You, @Single Again , weren't left alone; your daughter is not alone and she will never be punished for your mistakes. And one day your daughter will be a mother too. What would you tell her if she had the same doubts you have now? You have a daughter who Jesus can claim for Himself. Aren't we guilty of His sacrifice? Being guilty of this hurts more than hell. Even so, as guilty as we are, we are treated as royalty, we don't eat with the pigs, we live inside our Father's house. We are given the joy Coliseum wrote about, we have the certainty that Abby-Joy mentioned. We cannot hide our blessings in the ground. I hope you can rest your heart and mind in our God. Motherhood is a great responsibility, but He gave you a much easier and fair job than the one you are putting upon you. 

Abrielle,

I think you have astounding discernment. I wanted to ask you a question, not that its weight is of saving importance, but out of curiosity. What did you mean when you shared, "If i end up in hell (which i don’t believe is eternal in time)"? Can you go a bit deeper with your thought?

Edited February 10, 2020 by Coliseum

[Abrielle]

2 minutes ago, Coliseum said:

Abrielle,

I think you have astounding discernment. I wanted to ask you a question, not that its weight is of saving importance, but out of curiosity. What did you mean when you shared, "If i end up in hell (which i don’t believe is eternal in time)"? Can you go a bit deeper with your thought?

Thank you for your question. You are very kind. I am new to the forum and i need to spend more time observing the forum's dynamic, before discussing doctrinal issues. May this sentence be just a personal stand and not a doctrinal one, for now: I do believe in the eternal consequence of hell (death by fire). I hope there will be more opportunities to discuss this in a more productive manner than the one i present right now.

[Blood Bought 1953]

7 hours ago, Single Again said:

Hopefully you can help me with a thought that I can’t seem to shake.  It’s about having children and Hell.  Knowing that few choose to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, and thus are doomed to spend eternity in Hell, when we decide to bring a child into this world, are we not not in some way responsible for sending them to Hell?  Is not the only way to be 100% certain that your child will not suffer in Hell is to not have them in the first place? I’m heartbroken at the thought that my child may go to Hell.  Would it not have been better to not have her in the first place?  

 

Jesus, speaking of Judas——“ It would have been better for him had he never been born”......what was true for Judas probably pertains to others......

[Sower]

6 hours ago, Single Again said:

Hopefully you can help me with a thought that I can’t seem to shake.  It’s about having children and Hell.  Knowing that few choose to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, and thus are doomed to spend eternity in Hell, when we decide to bring a child into this world, are we not not in some way responsible for sending them to Hell?  Is not the only way to be 100% certain that your child will not suffer in Hell is to not have them in the first place? I’m heartbroken at the thought that my child may go to Hell.  Would it not have been better to not have her in the first place?  

 
"Would it not have been better to not have her in the first place?"

What if your mother had decided that was the way to go, to not have a child(you) because of her fears.
Then we would not be talking to you right now, Single. We sure wouldn't want that, nor would you.
My wife and I have three grown children, and a dozen grandchildren.
They would not exist if not for God's peace in us about having children.
We entrusted them to the Lord when they were born. Yes, we worried about them, still do.
My wife and I are only stewards of our children. they don't belong to us, they belong to the Lord. He will establish their paths.
We did all we knew and learned how to do to instill God's word into their hearts. They are believers.
Having a child, teaching-showing them to love the Lord, then leave the results to God.
God is in control. God is light. All his promises are true. Stand on the promises of God.

 

[Single Again]

9 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

Jesus, speaking of Judas——“ It would have been better for him had he never been born”.

Then that makes me wonder about Judas.  In order for God’s plan to unfold, there needed to be a Judas, just as much as there needed to be a Mary.  So although Judas betrayed Jesus, was He not an important part of the plan?  Condemned for doing that which He was created for?