IN THE MIDST OF COVID19, WHAT'S NEXT IN BIBLE PROPHECY?

[luigi]

4 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

IF this is truth - which it is not - why is it your theories don't agree with the written word? Why it is you have to rearrange Revelation (from as it is written) to fit your theories?  See? Your theory is that Revelation is not written in a linear Chronology, it is OK if the 7th trumpet lines up (in time) with a seal. 

What if you are mistaken? (Could such a thing be?) What if John wrote things in the EXACT ORDER that they will happen when they begin to happen? Where is that going to leave your theory? In the trash. Plain and simple.

John's timeline is very simple: first seven seals are opened on a book - a book written "within"  - so that was is written "within" the book can be revealed and then take place. Then will come Judgment time, as the DAy of the Lord begins, and then the 70th week begins. God begins judgment with the first 6 trumpet judgments. Then comes the midpoint of the week when the man of sin will enter the temple and cause the abomination that will divide the week.

Then sometime in the second half of the week, the first 6 vials will be poured out - to shorten those days of great tribulation going on. Then on the 1260th day, the 7th vial will come that will end the 70th week. But the DAY of the Lord will continue on.

Seven seals -> seven trumpets -> seven vials. What could be simpler?  But man in his great wisdom imagines he must rearrange to fit his own theory. How silly.

Does anyone understand that no man ever has come up with any proof that Revelation is NOT in Chronological order?

Iamlamad, you ask why my theories do not agree with the written Word, which I have pointed out to you with the Word to be concise. Let me see if I can explain this to you one more time in regards to the events under the seventh seal in which at the completion of the seventh angels sounding, the Lord then commences to reign. This is what is written in the Word in Revelation 11:15; to which you replied the Lord is already reigning in Christians. Do you not recognize how you are denying the Word by claiming the Lord is already reigning?

You also claim that at the seventh angels sounding when the Lord commences to reign, it is then only the midpoint of the week. Do you not see how your perspective contradicts the Word in Daniel 9:26-27 in which the AoD has still 3.5 years/times remaining him at the middle of the week?

If we then see the devil cast to the earth in Revelation 12:9, where he is depicted having a short time remaining him in Revelation 12:12, at which time he then provides the beast with his power (Revelation 13:4), who then has 42 months in which he is in power; how then can you not recognize the prior event in which delivery of the male child by the woman who then afterwards flees to the wilderness for 42 months/1,260 days/3.5 times in Revelation 12:6 & 14, which precedes the beast's ascension from the sea representing the first half of the week, while the beast's 42 months in Revelation 13 representing the latter half of the week; all of which precede the Lord commencing to reign in Revelation 11:15?

Look at what happens after Revelation 11:15 when the Lord commences to reign on earth through His remnant saints. The Lord's wrath commences, along with the time of the dead, and judgment day, where the Lords servants the prophets, and saints are rewarded, while those who have been destroying the earth are themselves destroyed (Revelation 11:18). Do you not recognize the resurrection described here, as that in Daniel 12:2? How is the Lord destroying those who have been destroying the earth, if the earth is still under the devils control who according to a sequential perspective, is still in heaven and has yet to provide the beast with his power, causing him to rise from the sea/a.k.a. the bottomless pit? Do you not recognize the destruction of the earth by those in Revelation 11:18, as the woe pronounced upon the inhabitants of land and sea which the dragon shall bring about in Revelation 12:12, when he vests the beast with his power, causing his ascension from the sea, a.k.a. the bottomless pit in Revelation 9, in which those plagues in that chapter are the result, and therefore must precede the judgment upon them for their destroying the earth in Revelation 11:18?

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

[iamlamad]

12 hours ago, luigi said:

Iamlamad, you ask why my theories do not agree with the written Word, which I have pointed out to you with the Word to be concise. Let me see if I can explain this to you one more time in regards to the events under the seventh seal in which at the completion of the seventh angels sounding, the Lord then commences to reign. This is what is written in the Word in Revelation 11:15; to which you replied the Lord is already reigning in Christians. Do you not recognize how you are denying the Word by claiming the Lord is already reigning?

You also claim that at the seventh angels sounding when the Lord commences to reign, it is then only the midpoint of the week. Do you not see how your perspective contradicts the Word in Daniel 9:26-27 in which the AoD has still 3.5 years/times remaining him at the middle of the week?

If we then see the devil cast to the earth in Revelation 12:9, where he is depicted having a short time remaining him in Revelation 12:12, at which time he then provides the beast with his power (Revelation 13:4), who then has 42 months in which he is in power; how then can you not recognize the prior event in which delivery of the male child by the woman who then afterwards flees to the wilderness for 42 months/1,260 days/3.5 times in Revelation 12:6 & 14, which precedes the beast's ascension from the sea representing the first half of the week, while the beast's 42 months in Revelation 13 representing the latter half of the week; all of which precede the Lord commencing to reign in Revelation 11:15?

Look at what happens after Revelation 11:15 when the Lord commences to reign on earth through His remnant saints. The Lord's wrath commences, along with the time of the dead, and judgment day, where the Lords servants the prophets, and saints are rewarded, while those who have been destroying the earth are themselves destroyed (Revelation 11:18). Do you not recognize the resurrection described here, as that in Daniel 12:2? How is the Lord destroying those who have been destroying the earth, if the earth is still under the devils control who according to a sequential perspective, is still in heaven and has yet to provide the beast with his power, causing him to rise from the sea/a.k.a. the bottomless pit? Do you not recognize the destruction of the earth by those in Revelation 11:18, as the woe pronounced upon the inhabitants of land and sea which the dragon shall bring about in Revelation 12:12, when he vests the beast with his power, causing his ascension from the sea, a.k.a. the bottomless pit in Revelation 9, in which those plagues in that chapter are the result, and therefore must precede the judgment upon them for their destroying the earth in Revelation 11:18?

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

 

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Do you not recognize how you are denying the Word by claiming the Lord is already reigning? 

Luigi, we cannot form doctrine from an isolate verse, but from ALL verses.

Matthew 28:18

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

 

Then consider when Jesus was before Pilot: He said, "my kingdom is not from here..." He was born to be the King of the Jews, and His kingdom was at that time invisible: It was inside all who followed Jesus. If He is king, and He certainly is, and if He has a kingdom, and He certainly does, then He is reigning. Today Jesus reigns over the CHURCH. 

 

Rev. 11:¹⁵ The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become     the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,     and he will reign for ever and ever.”

 

Truthfully, all this verse tells us is that there will be NO END to His reign. There is no information here as to when Jesus BEGAN to reign. 

 

As you should see by now, I am not denying the word. I am only denying your preconception of what the word really says.

 

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You also claim that at the seventh angels sounding when the Lord commences to reign, it is then only the midpoint of the week. Do you not see how your perspective contradicts the Word in Daniel 9:26-27 in which the AoD has still 3.5 years/times remaining him at the middle of the week? 

Yes, I certainly claim that the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint of the week.  And at the midpoint OF COURSE there is 1260 days or 42 months remaining in the week.  And it is AT the midpoint or slightly after that the Beast's 42 months BEGIN. 

This is not difficult: there will come an event that will DIVIDE the week. Paul tells us it will be when the man of sin enters the Jewish temple. ANYONE entering the Jewish temple, into the most Holy place, will desecrate the temple and the sacrifices MUST cease, exactly as Dan. 9:27 tells us. It should be obvious that if the week is divided in half, there should be 42 months left. Therefore, it seems my perspective must contradict some theory you have, but not the written word of God.

 

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how then can you not recognize the prior event in which delivery of the male child by the woman who then afterwards flees to the wilderness for 42 months/1,260 days/3.5 times in Revelation 12:6 & 14, which precedes the beast's ascension from the sea representing the first half of the week, while the beast's 42 months in Revelation 13 representing the latter half of the week; all of which precede the Lord commencing to reign in Revelation 11:15?

  This seems to be confusion. Did you not understand that the first five verses speak of Jesus BIRTH and are written as a parenthesis? They have NOTHING to do with John's timing and chronology at the midpoint of the week.  God was introducing John to the dragon and what the dragon would be doing during the last half of the week, but CHOSE to show John what the dragon DID when He, JESUS,  was born.

 

WHO flees? It is a subset of "the woman" or Israel. Jesus said those in Judea (a subset) would flee.  And it is exactly at the midpoint they will flee, given a second or two. 

 

So the woman (those in Judea) begin their flight as soon as they SEE the abomination: so 12:6 is only a second or two after the abomination. So also the rest of chapter 12 is at this same time. Therefore, it is only seconds or perhaps minutes after the abomination that the Beast rises up from the waters. representing the first half of the week  Sorry, but this is myth. It is human reasoning gone wrong. John is AT THE MIDPOINT of the week in 13:1. How then can you say "the first half of the week?" You are simply mistaken. His 42 months are for the SECOND half of the week.

all of which precede the Lord commencing to reign in Revelation 11:15?  Do you pay any attention at all to John's TIMING? 

Just believe John and don't question him! He tells us that Jesus begins His PHYSICAL reign over the kingdoms of the world at the 7th trumpet. So why in the world try to question it? Just believe it! What is the problem of Christ ALLOCATING 42 months to the Beast? If He is reigning at this point - and He certainly is - then don't put God is some puny box: allow God the freedom to grant the Beast 42 months. Do you not understand this is part of the judgment of Israel?

 

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after Revelation 11:15 when the Lord commences to reign on earth through His remnant saints. The Lord's wrath commences 

No, sorry, His wrath can only commence ONCE, not twice. His wrath BEGINS at the 6th seal in chapter 6. All John is telling us in chapter 11 is that GOD IS STILL ANGRY.  Did you not understand that this verb is a Greek Aorist tense verb that shows something beginning in the past? His wrath DID begin in the past from the prospective of the midpoint of the week. 

 

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the resurrection described here, as that in Daniel 12:2?

Sorry, NO resurrection here. Those words are a PROPHECY given by the 24 elders for future events. You should know that the next resurrection after the midpoint will be those beheaded as shown in REv. 15. And that resurrection must wait until AFTER the week ends: the 7th vial.  You must learn to recognize the difference between John's narrative of what He sees versus prophecy spoken by the elders that John only records. 

 

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How is the Lord destroying those who have been destroying the earth, if the earth is still under the devils control who according to a sequential perspective, is still in heaven and has yet to provide the beast with his power, causing him to rise from the sea/a.k.a. the bottomless pit?

  Can you please make your questions a little simpler?  God BEGAN destroying the earth and the sinners on the earth with the huge earthquake at the 6th seal, then continued the destruction with the trumpet judgments - and will continue further with the vials of His wrath and associated plagues. 

 

Take the 6th trumpet for example, Satan still over the kingdoms of the world: Yet God will kill 1/3 of earth's population. 

Then when the vials come, CERTAINLY many will die then. And the parable of the tares: probably MILLIONS will die after Jesus has taken His power and reigned.  Rising from the sea is SYMBOLIC. It is SAtan that gives the Beasts their power and that AFTER He is cast down. Try as you might, you cannot mix up John and His chronology. It is perfect as written.  So I fail to see your problem here.

 

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Do you not recognize the destruction of the earth by those in Revelation 11:18, as the woe pronounced upon the inhabitants of land and sea which the dragon shall bring about in Revelation 12:12, when he vests the beast with his power, causing his ascension from the sea, a.k.a. the bottomless pit in Revelation 9, in which those plagues in that chapter are the result, and therefore must precede the judgment upon them for their destroying the earth in Revelation 11:18? 

Sorry, but this is FAR too complicated a sentence and question.  To begin with, Rev. 18 is a PROPHECY of FUTURE events given my the 24 elders. It does not happen in the time-frame of chapter 11: the midpoint.  John TELLS us that the 3rd woe is the 7th trumpet. But then John wrote, "WOE" to those on earth when Satan is cast down. 

The dragon does not bring destruction about in chapter 12: that is telling us what the dragon WILL do during the last half of the week.  It tells us he immediately goes after those that flee, but finds they are protected. Then he will begin to go after the remnant of the saints. But again, NOT at the midpoint. This only tells us what WILL happen during the last half of the week.  Try to ask simple questions. I will do better and answering. 

Edited May 25, 2020 by iamlamad

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

You are repeating what I said in my post, as follows:  The correct is only and only as is written in the Word of God.  Out of the Word of God is speculations and inventions, and lies.

 

Revelation 13:v.5- ⁵ And there was given unto him-unto the blasphemer Beast of the sea-a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months - 1.260 days-Who will rule the FIRST 1260 days ||MIDPOINT|| is the Beast of sea(verse above-Rev.13:v.5 right?

The last week          \|/                                 ||MIDPOINT||     

|.Beast of sea will sit in the throne of Beast like a lamb-1260d..||..Beast like a lamb will rule...1290 days...| gap 45 days |

|.42 months begins-1260 days-there will be war-Rev.13:v.7&5-6.....||Beast as a lamb retakes its throne-1290 days| gap 45 days |

THERE WILL BE TWO BEASTS - LAST WEEK

Dan.12:v.12-Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

 

|.Beast of sea will sit in the throne of Beast like a lamb-1260d..||..Beast like a lamb will rule...1290 days...| gap 45 days |

|.42 months begins-1260 days-there will be war-Rev.13:v.7&5-6......||Beast as a lamb retakes its throne-1290 days| gap 45 days |

THERE WILL BE TWO BEASTS - LAST WEEK

it because the Beast of the earth, a false lamb with two horns, whose man speaks as Dragon-Revelation 13:v.11- will give to the Beast of sea his Power, and his Seat, and great Authority, as is written in Revelation 13:v.2. ~~~>(sea-->peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues). 

As we can see, there will be TWO Beats on the earth , but only one will reign or rule for 1.260 days, that is the Beast of sea - Revelation 13:v.5 - but he is linked with the Beast of earth. Rev.13:v.11

Again: there will be TWO Beats on the earth.

Dan.12:v.12-Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. Day 1335-45 days after the rule od the Beast of earth. JESUS warned: But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Revelation 2:v.26-29

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the END*, to him will I give power over the nations:

27 And he shall RULE them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

28 And I will give him the morning star.

29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

1 Corinthians 15:v.24-27

24 The END* cometh when he shall have delivered up the KINGDOM to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. 

Dan.12:v.12-Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. Day 1335-

Who will rule the FIRST 1260 days  How can he rule the FIRST 1260 when He is not even revealed until the midpoint? You are mistaken: His 42 months are for the LAST 42 months.  If you read 11:1-2, that is when the man of sin actually comes to Jerusalem with Gentile soldiers. 

There simply is NO MENTION of the first half of the week. We can only find it by deduction and by knowing the week is divided in half. EVERY mention of the 3.5 years, whether in days, months or times, is for the LAST HALF of the week,

 

.Beast like a lamb will rule...1290 days...| gap 45 days |  Sorry: John tells us his authority is ONLY for 42 months. Daniel's 1290 days is for something else. No one really knows what will happen on the 1335th day. John does not tell us, nor does Daniel: we can only guess. The week ENDS on the 1260th day. Then, 30 days later SOMETHING happens.

|.42 months begins-1260 days-there will be war-Rev.13:v.7&5-6.....||  Sorry, but the ONLY thing that happens during the first half of the week is the trumpet judgments. The Beast is not revealed yet.

the Beast of the earth, a false lamb with two horns, whose man speaks as Dragon-Revelation 13:v.11- will give to the Beast of sea his Power  Sorry, wrong again. It is SATAN that gives both Beasts their power. The False Prophet beast is a MAN, not Satan, not the Dragon. He only speaks like a dragon. Satan will undoubtedly possess the Beast from the sea.

there will be TWO Beats on the earth.  OF COURSE there will be two beasts, but THEY WORK TOGETHER during the first Beast's 42 months - the LAST Half of the week.

Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. Day 1335-45 days after the rule od the Beast of earth.  Sorry, but this is MYTH.  The Beast's reign ENDS when Jesus returns as in Rev. 19. NO ONE KNOWS what day that will be. All we know is it will be some unknown time AFTER the week ends on the 1260th day.

 

SOME event will happen on the 1290th day: it COULD be the day of Jesus return, but it could be something else happening. SOME event will happen on the 1335 day: no one knows what.

[luigi]

9 hours ago, iamlamad said:

 

 

 

Rev. 11:¹⁵ The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become     the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,     and he will reign for ever and ever.”

 

Truthfully, all this verse tells us is that there will be NO END to His reign. There is no information here as to when Jesus BEGAN to reign. 

 

As you should see by now, I am not denying the word. I am only denying your preconception of what the word really says.

 

 

You have not only denied the Word of God in the numerous claims in this post (which I find there is no sense in further reiterating with you), but you have even changed the wording in Revelation 11:15 from a plural (kingdoms of the world) to a singular (kingdom of the world), just so you can make your denial of the verse by falsely claiming it merely telling us there is no end to His reign, sound more plausible. At this point, I will not continue to discuss the Word with someone who not only denies the Word but also changes the Word.

 Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

[iamlamad]

7 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

No true Iamlamad. No true, but MYTH; this always is in your mind for others, no? Oh, please, it seems you do not believe in the Word of God.

Daniel 12:1-3

1 And at that time shall Michael - the archangel - stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

1 Thessalonians 4:v.16

15 For this we say unto you by the Word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel-Michael-,  (DANIEL 12:1-3) and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

This is an example of Exegesis lost in the mix. You find the name of Michael in two verses so those verses MUST be talking about the same thing.  You cannot be serious here! 

Wait! You missed a verse with Michael:

Revelation 12:7

Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.

 

Here Michael goes to war. Is "war" and "Resurrection" the same thing?  Is war and rapture the same thing?  Or maybe war and a time of trouble the same thing?  "Michael is common to all these. 

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Can we be real and get understanding?  There IS a resurrection at the rapture event: "he dead in Christ shall rise first:"  That is resurrection talk. 

 

The verses that really go together are in Daniel 1 and Rev. 12. In Daniel 12:1 Michael stands up just before the time of trouble - or just before the days of GT begin. WHY does Michael stand up? Rev. 12 says "Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon..."  THAT, my friend, is why Michael stands up in Dan. 12:1. He is about to go to war.

 

The verse in question was the prophecy given by the 24 elders in Rev. 11 where it says " the time of the dead, that they should be judged..."  My reply was, this is prophecy of future events: it does not happen here in the timing of chapter 11 which is MIDPOINT in the week. 

Edited May 25, 2020 by iamlamad

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, luigi said:

You have not only denied the Word of God in the numerous claims in this post (which I find there is no sense in further reiterating with you), but you have even changed the wording in Revelation 11:15 from a plural (kingdoms of the world) to a singular (kingdom of the world), just so you can make your denial of the verse by falsely claiming it merely telling us there is no end to His reign, sound more plausible. At this point, I will not continue to discuss the Word with someone who not only denies the Word but also changes the Word.

 Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

So I missed one "S." This is a typo. I know, you never make typos. Well, sometimes my fingers don't follow my mind. Sorry.  

Now you are saying that I deny the word of God when I disagree with you over WHEN Jesus begins to reign.  You seem to insist that "he shall reign for ever and ever" tells us when His reign BEGINS.  I deny that theory. 

OK, use a dictionary or any other books and show us which words in this phrase "he shall reign for ever and ever" shows any BEGINNING of reigning. I will await your answer.

In verse 17 it says "thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned." For "hast reigned" if we look at the Greek for tense we see:

Speech: Verb

Tense: Aorist

Voice: Active

Mood: Indicative

I don't know Greek, but I can read: and I read something like this: An Aorist Active Indicative always shows an action that began in the past. 

Question: why would John write that Jesus has "taken" to Himself His "great power."  Why would Jesus not always have His power? The answer is, during the church age He delegated His power to the church. Here it shows that after the rapture He took His power back to Himself.  So that did not happen in the timeframe of chapter 11 either. It happened after the church was raptured. 

In YOUR theory: 

Jesus was born as a king, and became the Head of the church, and the head of His body on earth, rose to sit at the right hand of power or the right hand of the Father, but never began to "reign" all through the church age.

As for the missing "s" I did some research: only the "Received Text" has it as plural. The Byzantine Majority, the Alexandrian, the Hort and Westcott,  all have "kingdom" as singular. Therefore many translations into English have it singular. 

In summary, you imagine Jesus only begins to "reign" in Rev. 11. I think He has been reigning over His church since He rose from the dead and all authority was given Him at that time.  You seem to imagine that "He shall reign forever and ever" tells us when His reign BEGAN. I disagree.

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[iamlamad]

6 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

Who will rule the  FIRST period of 42 months in accord the WORD OF GOD - Revelation 13:v.5 is the FIRST BEAST-the BEAST OF SEA- Rev. 13:v.1-10    From    1.........................to............................1260 days-42 months-Revelation 13:v.5.  This Gentile Beast has not Power to rule WITHOUT FIRSTLY receive the Power, and the Throne, and Authority of the Beast who has two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a Dragon. This is a Jewish Beast, IN FACT, the MAN of sin, the SON of perdition, a former cherub, and will manifest as a MESSIAH, a false messiah, evidently, AN IMPOSTOR, understand? I have said here countless times that THIS MAN was already born decades ago, and MUST manifest himself soon. 

Why do you repeat over and over the same thing WITH NO BIBLE PROOF? It is only your theory that cannot be backed up by scripture.  You keep posting Rev. 13:5 as if this verse supports your theory:

⁵ And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

WHERE IS John in respect to TIMING here in chapter 13? I submit He is at the very midpoint of the week: just after the man of sin will enter the temple and stop the daily sacrifices. 

11:2: 42 months of trampling: for the SECOND half of the week.

11:3: 1260 days of testifying: for the SECOND half of the week.

12:6: 1260 days of fleeing: for the SECOND half of the week.

12:14: 3.5 years of protection: for the SECOND half of the week.

13:5: 42 months of Authority: for the SECOND half of the week.

In three chapters, 11, 12, and 13, John gives us five countdowns to the end of the week. Every one of these mentions of a 3.5 year period of time is meant for the last half of the week. We can easily pinpoint the exact time the man of sin will enter temple, even though John did not see it and write it: Jesus told those in Judea to flee the very moment they see the abomination - and we see that fleeing in 12:6. Therefore 12:6 is only a second or two from the time that Sacrifices cease and the time the man of sin enters the temple. If we back up verse by verse looking for the last real time event on John's timeline, we back up to chapter 11, to the 7th trumpet. I submit that the 7th trumpet will sound in heaven to MARK the moment the man of sin enters the Holy place in the temple. 

Therefore, when John saw the first beast RISING - the timing is AT THE MIDPOINT. Can I make this clearer? The first half of the week is HISTORY at this point in time. In other words, few if ANY in the world will know who the man of sin that will turn Beast will be UNTIL he enters the Jewish temple.  Your theory then that he reigns in the first half of the week is simple BOGUS and human imagination. In short, MYTH. It does not follow John's Chronology at all. This theory forces rearranging Revelation to fit. Just know, ANY theory that forces a rearranging of John's God given chronology will be proven wrong.

Question: 

 

Revelation 20:10

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

Which Beast is this: water or land?

 

Revelation 20:4

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;

 

Which Beast is this: water or land?

 

Revelation 19:20

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

Which Beast is this: water or land?

 

Revelation 19:19

And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

 

Which Beast is this: water or land?

 

I will make my point here when I see how you answer.

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7 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

 

Will be he the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and  spiritist rabbi Eliyahu Bakshi-Doron? Will be? If it be we will see soon, very soon.

Died‎: ‎April 12, 2020 (aged 78–79); Jerusalem, .

Sorry, wrong man: he is dead.