Jesus Teachings Don't Apply to Us Gentiles

[Behold]

10 hours ago, Betha said:

I don't think people have to be 'named'. It is the general ATTITUDE of some Christians to DIS-associate themselves from Jews or any who show other practices than themselves. I have often been called a JUDAIZER .

I love Israel.   I Love the Jews.   Im married to One.   Im also a Spiritual Jew.

Not really the topic of This Thread.....

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Betha,   Lets Say that Jesus appears to you in your bedroom tonight, and asks you...."Are you trusting in ME Alone, To get you into Heaven"?

And you say...."well, Lord, there are those verses In Hebrews Ch 4, 6, and 10......and that verse about "enduring to the end", and there is that Torah and those Commandments to keep, and .. ummmmmmmm".

And Jesus says........"I said, are you trusting in ME ALONE, To get you into heaven"?

And you say...>"Well, Lord, there is that verse about "willfully sinning", and that one about "Men gather them and they are cast into the fire", and that one about "depart from me, i never knew you, and oh yeah Lord,  there is that one about being a "castaway".....

And Jesus smiles and says....>" I Didn't think you were....So, when do you think you will start trusting in ME ALONE To get you into Heaven, or do you think that my  Shed Blood and My Death and Resurrection are still not enough to do it for you"?

 

Edited April 9, 2020 by Behold

[*Zion*]

8 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

Good to see that You are not. And I agree that the Word of God is vital to discerning the spirits, which is a point I make continually while debating with the "crazy charismatics" you see nowadays on the other side of this debate. It is the narrow way we must walk upon, not tossed to and fro by the deceitful doctrines and cunningness of men (Read Eph. 4:13-16)

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eph/4/14/s_1101014

Speaking the Truth in Love.... Christianity is more than just a mental ascent It is a relationship with a LIVING Savior, who loves us and shows his love to us daily By Whom we cry "Abba, Father!". He encompasses not just our mind but our heart, and we believe not just with our mind but with our heart (Romans 10:10)

God Bless, and May he make Himself Known to you.

Turn us again, O God, and cause thy face to shine; and we shall be saved. (Psalm 80:3)

Then let us all agree, and not pit ourselves against each other, but together seek out the truth that is God and His Word.  Again, I'm sure Enoob is more than capable of speaking for himself, but I highly doubt that he views his relationship with Christ as the simple self gain of mental ascent.  My feeling is that you both have misunderstandings with one another.  I could be wrong, you may understand each other perfectly.  But from what I know he is not argue anything simply to be in it to win it.  We all must be watchful and on the alert because the enemy WILL try and lie to us.  We need to look out for each other, and build one another up in the most holy faith.

[Justin Adams]

58 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

I have the Scripture and teachers God has provided me and it is sufficient for all things  
 

2 Tim 3:15-17

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
KJV

I have read the histories and have sided with Scripture as the only source, according to God, as my everything..., catholicism and open canon and every other what they want to call it is offense to me and God's Word as the seal of Revelation provides the completion to God's Word....

I hope you do not mislead anyone...

[Justin Adams]

1 hour ago, *Zion* said:

Great.  I'm sure I'll agree with him.  We must know scripture in order to reject non scriptural ideas, definitely no argument from me there either.  Knowing 'things?' Things of God?  Yes we must learn many things from God.  Yes indeed, we all perish from lack of knowledge, especially knowledge obtained by understanding the Word of God.  

Both by God's Word and His Spirit are we able to separate conjecture and lie from truth and certainty.  After all, the Lord Jesus chose to defeat the enem when He was in the wilderness thusly: by quoting the Word of God.  That's how we defeat the lie.  Right?

True, but cessational thinking and tight in the mind-box ideas are only anthropological restraint. In order to really understand we must embrace the thoughts of those that God guided sometimes someplace else. 

If our placid theology come from a merely seminarian and Augustine origin, then there is much we have not been taught.

Deut 32 world views of the Divine Council is rarely taught because of 'doctored theology' and a certain unwillingness to dare think that God is bigger than a few words (though they serve the purpose for which they were intended) and that is to further our understanding and not take refuge in a false church hiding behind the pews and stacks of reformed canon.

We are responsible to teach others and make sure we never mislead them just because what we have is enough for us.

Much of our theology is hand-me-down from the RCC. For instance, SUN-day worship and ISHTAR (easter) ignoring the Passover and the real 72 hours in the grave.

Edited April 9, 2020 by Justin Adams

[missmuffet]

23 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

This is something I am constantly seeing taught and regurgitated by Christians today and I am frequently seeing this matter brought up here in these forums that: Jesus teachings dont apply to Gentiles only Jews and that we only follow Paul's teachings.  I have seen people abandoning the teachings of Jesus (Gospels) and other letters of the bible such as James, John, Hebrews, and Peters and saying they were only writing to Jews and their teaching dont apply to Gentiles.  They say we follow Paul's teaching since he was an apostle to the Gentiles.  NEWS FLASH:  All the Apostles were responsible for taking the teachings of Jesus called the Gospel to all the nations not just Paul.  Jesus commanded all his apostles to take everything that he had taught them to all the nations.  They were all called to be apostles to both Jews and Gentiles.

Jesus told his 11 disciples: Mat 28:19-20 KJV - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations (Jews & Gentiles)...teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

If you do a little research you find that all the Apostles eventually left Israel and went everywhere preaching the Gospel and teaching followers to keep and obey what Jesus had taught them.  James the brother of Jesus was called the Leader of many of the churches in Asia,  John the beloved Apostle established many of the churches in Asia minor hence in Revelation he addressed the 7 churches in Asia. Peter the Apostle went all over the place preaching and eventually end up in Rome where he was was killed.  Its the same for all the apostles.  All the apostles were sent to both Jew and Gentile preaching the same gospel that Jesus taught them.

Jesus is the foundation of the New Covenant and it applies to both Jew and Gentile and their is no difference in what Jesus taught and what all the apostles taught.  The teachings of Jesus applies to both Jew and Gentile believers equally.  The apostle of Jesus did not bring a different gospel to the Gentiles than what Jesus taught them.  The New Covenant which Gentile believers are under is a Jewish covenant that was promised to them specifically but was extended to Gentiles out of the goodness and grace of God.  

The Prophets spoke of this new covenant that was intended for Israel:  Jer 31:31-33 KJV - Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Heb 12:24, 28 KJV - And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel. ... Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

The new covenant that was promised to Israel is the same new covenant the we Gentiles are adopted into.  Paul confirms this:  Eph 2:11-13 KJV - Wherefore remember, that ye [being] in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by those whom are of Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the citizenship of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Mat 26:28 KJV - For this is my blood of the new testament (covenant), which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

The New Covenant that Jesus established and taught to Jews is the same covenant and teachings the apostles have taken to the Gentile nations. 

So dont deceive yourself and think I dont have to keep and obey what Jesus taught or any of apostles writings.  They are for all believers Jews and Gentiles.  If you are a believer then you have been brought into the new covenant that was promised to Israel which was established by Jesus the mediator of the New Covenant to the Jew first but now to all Gentiles.

 

You are preaching false doctrine.

Question: "Did Jesus come only for the Jews and not the Gentiles?"

Answer: Jesus is the Messiah that the Jews had been anticipating for centuries (see Luke 2:25; 3:15). As such, He was born into a Jewish family and was reared according to Jewish law in a Jewish town (see Luke 2:27; Galatians 4:4). Jesus selected Jewish disciples, spoke in Jewish synagogues and the Jewish temple, and traveled mostly in Jewish areas. His mission, in fulfillment of the Jewish prophets, was to the Jewish people. However, none of this means that Jesus’ ministry was limited exclusively to the Jews.

In Matthew 15, there is an incident that, at first, seems to confirm the idea that Jesus came only for the Jews. Jesus was traveling through Tyre and Sidon, a Gentile region, and “a Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, ‘Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly’” (Matthew 15:22). This Gentile woman recognized Jesus as the Messiah (“Son of David”), but “Jesus did not answer a word” (verse 23). As the woman kept up her appeals, Jesus finally responded, but His words seemed to hold little hope: “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel” (verse 24). However, the woman did not give up, and Jesus eventually granted her request, based on her “great faith” (verse 28).

The fact that Jesus helped the Canaanite woman, even though His mission was to the Jews, is a significant detail in the Gospel narrative. Throughout His earthly ministry, Jesus gave other indications that His power and compassion reached to all people. He healed a Roman centurion’s servant (Luke 7:1–10). He traveled through the Gentile region of the Gerasenes (Mark 5:1). He ministered in a Samaritan city (John 4).

Jesus came to save everybody (1 John 2:2). Jesus Christ is God Himself (John 1:1). Jesus died on the cross as the payment for all our sins, and He rose from death in resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:3–4). Jesus said He was the Good Shepherd, and He predicted that His flock would be greatly expanded: “I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd” (John 10:16).

It took a while for the early church to recognize that salvation was available to the Gentiles. The Jewish Christians who fled the persecution in Jerusalem went into the Gentile regions of Phoenicia, Cyprus and Antioch, but they were “spreading the word only among Jews” (Acts 11:19). Peter was hesitant to bring the gospel to a Gentile household, but God made it plain that Cornelius was also one of the elect (Acts 10).

“Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too” (Romans 3:29). Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, but He had come to offer salvation to everybody. The Messiah was to be a “light for the Gentiles” (Isaiah 42:6). So call on Jesus, because “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved” (Acts 2:21).

https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Jews-only.html

Edited April 9, 2020 by missmuffet

[Justin Adams]

11 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

have sided with Scripture

Oh, which ones? Septuagint origins? Masoretic origins? Or some other translations of those? Maybe the reformist origins?

Remember Augustine only read latin and hated Greek.

[*Zion*]

1 minute ago, Justin Adams said:

True, but cessational thinking and tight in the mind-box ideas are only anthropological restraint. In order to really understand we must embrace the thoughts of those that God guided sometimes someplace else. 

If our placid theology come from a merely seminarian and Augustine origin, then there is much we have not been taught.

Deut 32 world views of the Divine Council is rarely taught because of 'doctored theology' and a certain unwillingness to dare think that God is bigger than a few words (though they serve the purpose for which they were intended) and that is to further our understanding and not take refuge in a false church hiding behind the pews and stacks of reformed canon.

We are responsible to teach others and make sure we never mislead them just because what we have is enough for us.

Much of our theology is hand-me-down from the RCC. For instance, SUN-day worship and ISHTAR (easter) ignoring the Passover and the real 72 hours in the grave.

First of all, I am not a cessationist.  Secondly, my authority is not man's tradition but God's Word.  While I respect a high intellect, it cannot tower that of God's, who states that His foolishness is for more wise than all of man's wisdom.  

The Spirit of God will ALWAYS testify to the Word of God.  I am not after intellectual debate, I am after truth.  Truth impresses me, however simple or complex in the way it presents itself.

[Justin Adams]

2 minutes ago, *Zion* said:

First of all, I am not a cessationist.  Secondly, my authority is not man's tradition but God's Word.  While I respect a high intellect, it cannot tower that of God's, who states that His foolishness is for more wise than all of man's wisdom.  

The Spirit of God will ALWAYS testify to the Word of God.  I am not after intellectual debate, I am after truth.  Truth impresses me, however simple or complex in the way it presents itself.

I suggest you read or listen to Dr. Heiser's UNSEEN REALM.

[Behold]

2 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Oh, which ones? Septuagint origins? Masoretic origins? Or some other translations of those? Maybe the reformist origins?

Remember Augustine only read latin and hated Greek.

True, but it was Jerome who ruined the idea of  true repentance for all Catholics and other similar.... as he is the one who decided to mistranslate the Latin text as "do penance", instead of the word accurately translated as "repent" or "repentance".

Because of this one person, Billions of Catholics are confessing and doing penance, for NOTHING for quite a while now.

This reminds me of the 3 civilian cities in Japan being Atom Bombed by the USA during WWII.  Keep in mind these were not Naval Bases or Army Bases, these were just cities...  Like you find in the USA, named... DALLAS, or San DIEGO....etc.

And why did the USA slaughter sleeping Japanese citizens?  Its because their Military Leadership contacted the same in Japan, and told them....".You either surrender and agree to stop or you will be bombed to pieces".   So, they responded...>"give us a little time to consider our reply"....and a USA TRANSLATOR translated their response as something like..   "Middle Finger", and shortly thereafter, a lot of sleeping Japanese citizens woke up to a really hot situation as they were basically dissolved by the Heat and Radiation.

So, gotta be careful with a Translation, as it can really make a mess of things, ...forever, for some.

[Alive]

Heb. 5:14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.