Jesus Teachings Don't Apply to Us Gentiles

[enoob57]

11 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Second temple literature substantiates the Tanakh. It is what guided the apostles who were well versed in much we have not even dared to read... I do know why. The time from 500 BC to 100 AD allowed a co′a·les′cence  of much of the doctrines the apostles preached. They taught the early church from Rabbinical writings and the Tanakh. They all read the Septuagint and the pre-doctored and abridged Masoretic texts (I.e. The Hebrew texts). They read stuff disallowed by the reformed theologies.

I have the Scripture and teachers God has provided me and it is sufficient for all things  
 

2 Tim 3:15-17

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
KJV

I have read the histories and have sided with Scripture as the only source, according to God, as my everything..., catholicism and open canon and every other what they want to call it is offense to me and God's Word as the seal of Revelation provides the completion to God's Word....

[dhchristian]

3 minutes ago, *Zion* said:

No one is against the Spirit of God bearing witness to the Word, what Enoob is simply stating is that it takes God's Word to convert a person, not just a spiritual experience, and that believing such a thing is a danger.  The Holy Spirit and the Word of God go hand in hand, we should not be choosing between them but relying upon them both.  Why are people trying to pit them against each other?  They are part of the Trinity, they are as one.  Why are people having a problem with that???

I Am not the one trying to separate the two ENOOB is. Here is what I Wrote:

"The Word of God is the Sword of Spirit. If the Spirit is not wielding the sword, then the Words therein become just words, you cannot separate the two, like you are trying to do."

I Can give you literally Hundreds of testimonials of People who have been born again in absentia of the Word of God being proclaimed to them. Many of these come from other religions such as Islam, where God reaches the hearts of these people in a dream or a vision... Even Paul's Damascus road "experience" was the same that we are talking about here. There is Only One way to the Father and that is through Jesus and the Cross (John 14:6) How we arrive at the cross is inconsequential so long as we Have Him. The Word of God testifies that we are on the right Path, and proves our salvation is true. A Muslim may have encounter with Jesus in a drem that leads them to the cross. A Jew may have encounter with Jesus when reading Isaiah 53 that leads them to the cross, a Bhuddist may encounter Jesus in their meditations when he sees the emptiness of the Bhuddist way, which leads him to the cross. A Drug addict sitting in a prison cell may have Jesus reach down to Him in the darkest hour of despair and reveal his love to him that leads to the cross. A suicidal person may have Jesus jam the weapon he is about to shoot himself with and then reveal himself to that person which leads them to the cross. At the cross is the Word of God, which is sharper than any two edged sword, cutting to the marrow of that person, and capable of transforming them. The Word of God is alive and active in the world and is transforming people as we speak. To Deny this is to deny God, or to believe in a form of a deistic God. 

 

 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

22 hours ago, JohnD said:

He taught prophetically at times about believing him, that his burden is light, the truth shall set you free (from the Law)

Brother, Jesus never said that he came to set us free from the Law, he came to set us free from sin.  In fact he taught us the how to keep the law.  The whole sermon on the mount was about how to keep the law of God correctly.   Jesus stated, 'you have heard that you shall not murder but I tell dont even hate in your heart or your already guilty of murder.  You have heard dont comment adultery but I tell you dont even look at women lustfully or you already have commented adultery', etc...   Jesus never once mentioned that he came to set us free from his commandments he taught us to obey them. 

Read these:

Mat 5:19 KJV - Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Jhn 14:15, 21 KJV - If ye love me, keep my commandments. ... He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Jhn 15:10 KJV - If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Jhn 14:15 KJV - If ye love me, keep my commandments.
1Jo 2:3-4 KJV - And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 3:24 KJV - And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jo 5:2 KJV - By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
Rev 12:17 KJV - And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The new covenant is God putting his law in your hearts for you to obey.

God Bless,

Jason

Edited April 9, 2020 by Jedi4Yahweh

[*Zion*]

9 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

I Am not the one trying to separate the two ENOOB is. Here is what I Wrote:

"The Word of God is the Sword of Spirit. If the Spirit is not wielding the sword, then the Words therein become just words, you cannot separate the two, like you are trying to do."

I Can give you literally Hundreds of testimonials of People who have been born again in absentia of the Word of God being proclaimed to them. Many of these come from other religions such as Islam, where God reaches the hearts of these people in a dream or a vision... Even Paul's Damascus road "experience" was the same that we are talking about here. There is Only One way to the Father and that is through Jesus and the Cross (John 14:6) How we arrive at the cross is inconsequential so long as we Have Him. The Word of God testifies that we are on the right Path, and proves our salvation is true. A Muslim may have encounter with Jesus in a drem that leads them to the cross. A Jew may have encounter with Jesus when reading Isaiah 53 that leads them to the cross, a Bhuddist may encounter Jesus in their meditations when he sees the emptiness of the Bhuddist way, which leads him to the cross. A Drug addict sitting in a prison cell may have Jesus reach down to Him in the darkest hour of despair and reveal his love to him that leads to the cross. A suicidal person may have Jesus jam the weapon he is about to shoot himself with and then reveal himself to that person which leads them to the cross. At the cross is the Word of God, which is sharper than any two edged sword, cutting to the marrow of that person, and capable of transforming them. The Word of God is alive and active in the world and is transforming people as we speak. To Deny this is to deny God, or to believe in a form of a deistic God. 

 

 

He can speak for himself, but I don't see him excluding the Holy Spirit.  What I am surprised by is that we would have to argue for the INCLUSION of the Word of God.  The Holy Spirit Himself testifies of the WORD.  He gives us direction through dreams and visions which all point to the Word of God.  If any dream or vision did not line up with the word of God, however benign it might seem, I would question its truth, its veracity, and definitely its source.  The word of God is our protection against the counterfeit, because the enemy is banking on the fact that we will act simply just because something looks and feels good.  If you know he can appear as an angel of light, wouldn't you want a way to make sure either way?  God has given us that way.  If in doubt, check it out, if not line don't waste your time.

[dhchristian]

Just now, *Zion* said:

Just now, dhchristian said:

 

He can speak for himself, but I don't see him excluding the Holy Spirit.  What I am surprised by is that we would have to argue for the INCLUSION of the Word of God.  The Holy Spirit Himself testifies of the WORD.  He gives us direction through dreams and visions which all point to the Word of God.  If any dream or vision did not line up with the word of God, however benign it might seem, I would question its truth, its veracity, and definitely its source.  The word of God is our protection against the counterfeit, because the enemy is banking on the fact that we will act simply just because something looks and feels good.  If you know he can appear as an angel of light, wouldn't you want a way to make sure either way?  God has given us that way.  If in doubt, check it out, if not line don't waste your time.

This debate goes back farther than you are familiar with. 

I In no way am negating the Word of God, I am saying that God is alive and active and reveals himself to the lost who do not have the Word of God in ways we do not fully comprehend. That is the reason why I said the Word of God verifies the Truth of the revelation. God can use the Word to reveal himself or he can use  supernatural means to do so which are then confirmed by the Word of God. The Spirit and the Word are one.Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. (john 16:13) 

Enoob is a cessationist I am not hence the differences of opinion.

God Bless.

[*Zion*]

1 minute ago, dhchristian said:

This debate goes back farther than you are familiar with. 

I In no way am negating the Word of God, I am saying that God is alive and active and reveals himself to the lost who do not have the Word of God in ways we do not fully comprehend. That is the reason why I said the Word of God verifies the Truth of the revelation. God can use the Word to reveal himself or he can use  supernatural means to do so which are then confirmed by the Word of God. The Spirit and the Word are one.Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. (john 16:13) 

Enoob is a cessationist I am not hence the differences of opinion.

God Bless.

I'll leave that for him to confirm or deny.  I am not a cessationist (and anyway, I don't like labels, they separate us in unnecessary ways), but so far I can only agree with what Enoob has stated.  I don't see him denying the Holy Spirit, I see him testing the spirits to see if they are indeed from God.  I'm sure we can all agree that that is a safe and wise thing to do.

[Sower]

1 hour ago, Flowersun said:

 

You came to know Christ through scripture.

 

i didn't...I came to know God..through the testifying of his Spirit to my spirit....so personal.

 

Romans 10:17

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:8

seems so simple to understand (for myself)

Hearing the word (scripture) (1st)  = faith (2nd) = salvation ()
I do not worship the book.
I worship the Author!

 

[dhchristian]

Just now, *Zion* said:

I'll leave that for him to confirm or deny.  I am not a cessationist (and anyway, I don't like labels, they separate us in unnecessary ways), but so far I can only agree with what Enoob has stated.  I don't see him denying the Holy Spirit, I see him testing the spirits to see if they are indeed from God.  I'm sure we can all agree that that is a safe and wise thing to do.

Good to see that You are not. And I agree that the Word of God is vital to discerning the spirits, which is a point I make continually while debating with the "crazy charismatics" you see nowadays on the other side of this debate. It is the narrow way we must walk upon, not tossed to and fro by the deceitful doctrines and cunningness of men (Read Eph. 4:13-16)

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eph/4/14/s_1101014

Speaking the Truth in Love.... Christianity is more than just a mental ascent It is a relationship with a LIVING Savior, who loves us and shows his love to us daily By Whom we cry "Abba, Father!". He encompasses not just our mind but our heart, and we believe not just with our mind but with our heart (Romans 10:10)

God Bless, and May he make Himself Known to you.

Turn us again, O God, and cause thy face to shine; and we shall be saved. (Psalm 80:3)

[dhchristian]

Just now, Sower said:

I do not worship the book.
I worship the Author!

Amen

[*Zion*]

3 minutes ago, Sower said:

 

Romans 10:17

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:8

seems so simple to understand (for myself)

Hearing the word (scripture) (1st)  = faith (2nd) = salvation ()
I do not worship the book.
I worship the Author!

 

I agree.  I also agree that:

2 Corinthians 3:6

He has qualified us [making us sufficient] as ministers of a new covenant [of salvation through Christ], not of the letter [of a written code] but of the Spirit; for the letter [of the Law] kills [by revealing sin and demanding obedience], but the Spirit gives life.

 

John 1:1

In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (^[a]Christ), and the Word was with God, and ^[b]the Word was God Himself.

 

Christ is the Word of Life.   I too worship the Author and I praise Him for such a concrete, incontestable way of communicating Himself to us.  He alone declares the end from the beginning.  He is faithful and true.