WHO DOES BAPTISM SAVE?

[missmuffet]

On 4/16/2020 at 7:28 AM, douge said:

Only believing Israel is saved by baptism.

Only believing Israel is instructed to be baptized.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

The ark is not the "like figure" or picture or type: the water is the "like figure". Water saved Noah and his family, and the Jews Peter is speaking to will likewise be saved by baptism. The flood waters put away the filth of the flesh by destroying the wicked.

Baptism will save Israel by the resurrection of Christ.

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?


8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Before the dispensation of the grace of God Jews had to believe on the name of Jesus for salvation unto eternal life. They had to believe Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God. Upon belief they were then baptized.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Jesus commanded the twelve disciples to baptize. Jesus said in Mark 16:16 that baptism was part of their salvation.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Paul after his conversion was baptized to wash away sin according to the commandment given Israel. Paul submitted to be baptized so as not to give offence to Ananias, who was devout to the law.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Peter speaking in Acts 2:38 said baptism was for the remission or forgiveness of sins. Peter also said they would receive the Holy Ghost through baptism.

Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Jesus was buried and rose again. According to Peter, Christ was raised to sit on the throne of David in the prophetic earthly kingdom (Matthew 8:11 Luke 1:32-33).

Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

In the day of the coming of Jesus the waters of the fountain will cleanse Israel of sin.

Ezekiel 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

God made the covenants with Israel alone (Romans 9:4). God made the new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah only (Jeremiah 31:31). The new covenant will cleanse saved Israel with water.

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Jesus came the first time to bear the sins of Israel. The believing remnant of Israel would be looking for his second coming for salvation. For Israel their salvation rested upon the coming of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

The times of refreshing was the coming of Jesus. Jesus being resurrected is in heaven. Jesus was first to be received into heaven and upon Israel's conversion, be sent for their salvation when their sins would be forgiven and blotted out (Jeremiah 31:34).

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

The new covenant gives saved Israel a new spirit. God will put his spirit in them and will cause them to keep the commandments of God. God will do for Israel what Israel was never able, nor never be able to do, of itself.

The death of Jesus put in force the new testament, by which Israel's transgressions under the first testament could be forgiven (Hebrews 9:15-17), and be the means by which God can forgive their iniquity under the new covenant (Jeremiah 31:34).

1 Peter 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Peter talks of Jesus, who is gone into heaven, in the verse above. This speaks of his resurrection, which will fulfill the future promise of the spirit to renew Israel by the new covenant. The resurrection of Jesus ensured the fulfillment of the kingdom, and the new covenant.

Baptism saved Israel by the remission of sins. The salvation spoken of is not unto eternal life; that came by grace and by the faith of Christ, by which they believed on him as the Christ, the Son of God.The remission of sins gave Israel the answer of a good conscience toward God ( 1 Peter 3:21). The water of baptism provided the remission of sins to cleanse Israel to be priests of God in the kingdom (Exodus 40:12-15 Leviticus 8:6 Hebrews 10:22).

Israel, by the resurrection of Christ, and the new covenant, would be born again to live unto God in righteousness (1 Peter 2:24), and enter the kingdom to be a light to the Gentiles. That which was prophesied will be fulfilled, the nations will be blessed by Israel (Genesis 18:18 Genesis 26:4).

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Israel has been born again by the lively hope of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. They can have full assurance that their baptism will save them since Jesus has been raised again and is alive in heaven on the right hand of God to save them, and fulfill the new covenant.

1 Peter 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

The resurrection of Jesus assured Israel that their salvation would be realized by his coming.

Baptism is not a salvation issue. 

[douge]

13 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Baptism is not a salvation issue. 

Mark 16:16 says it is.

There is more than one use for salvation in the Bible. Israel's salvation is to be physically delivered from their enemies and enter the kingdom on earth when Christ returns.

[Behold]

If water could save.   (water baptism is water)... then we'd all be saved then saved again every time we take a bath, a shower, get caught out in the rain, go swimming....etc.

The water has no power to save.  Its only water.

The Catholic bible that is a man made cross denying farce, teaches this.   "you are born again by water".  This is the Catholic heresy defined as "baptismal regeneration" or, the water, the act of water baptism, regenerates the Spirit.  or  "Born again BY water".  = This is a Christ rejecting lie.

God requires BLOOD , shed blood, the blood of another to pay for SIN and that is how and why.

In the OT< you had animal blood shed that was not able to offer a "once and for all" forgiveness.

But JESUS "has obtained ETERNAL REDEMPTION for us".....Because He is GOD.. And God's BLOOD is an eternal sacrifice, that once applied to you, (born again)= saves you and keeps you saved. 

Edited April 21, 2020 by Behold

[Gershom_young]

On 4/16/2020 at 10:38 PM, Justin Adams said:

To answer the OP. Baptism like Circumcision never saved anyone!

Didn't Zipporah use the technique to save her husband in Exodus 4?

[other one]

38 minutes ago, Gershom_young said:

Didn't Zipporah use the technique to save her husband in Exodus 4?

I would say that it saved his life, not his soul....      might be a good example of God occasionally changing his mind on things....   I've often wondered why Moses would do such a stupid thing in the first place....

[Gershom_young]

On 4/22/2020 at 11:03 PM, other one said:

I would say that it saved his life, not his soul....      might be a good example of God occasionally changing his mind on things....   I've often wondered why Moses would do such a stupid thing in the first place....

I think extrabiblical tradition has it that Moses had some sort of agreement with his father-in-law as part of his marriage to Zipporah, and part of the marriage contract was that the first son would belong to the father-in-law (who apparently was in favour of at least one "stupid thing"). This was why Zippy only needed to treat one of the sons, and why it became an issue when they left the father-in-law (not while under Jethro's roof on the eighth day).

Some like to blame Zipporah, but Moses doesn't come across as the type who would compromise on an important thing like a covenant, and Zipporah was the one in the end who made the cut, so I don't think blaming her is fair.

Edited April 24, 2020 by Gershom_young

[Leonardo Von]

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WHO DOES BAPTISM SAVE?

The baptism in the Holy Spirit is necessary to be saved.

[Hopefully]

“Baptism is not necessary for salvation. Baptism does not save from sin but from a bad conscience. In 1 Peter 3:21, Peter clearly taught that baptism was not a ceremonial act of physical purification, but the pledge of a good conscience toward God.
 

Baptism is the symbol of what has already occurred in the heart and life of one who has trusted Christ as Savior (Romans 6:3-5; Galatians 3:27; Colossians 2:12).

Baptism is an important step of obedience that every Christian should take. Baptism cannot be a requirement for salvation. To make it such is an attack on the sufficiency of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.”

https://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-salvation.html

God saw to it that I got baptized and I don’t regret it. I would not feel comfortable convincing others not to get baptized.