Saints and The Faithful

[Behold]

Just now, dhchristian said:

If every born again believer is a saint why is the church more divided and powerless today than ever before?

Its teaching false doctrine that creates division.

Its the DEVIL who created the false doctrine, and people just take it from there and run with it..

This same is creating and maintaining division here.., because its allowed.

Right believing produces right living, and when all brethren believe right, they all walk agreed.

Not until.

 

 

[Justin Adams]

11 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

If every born again believer is a saint why is the church more divided and powerless today than ever before?

Because the supernatural has be doctrined all away...

[kwikphilly]

Blessings dh

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If every born again believer is a saint why is the church more divided and powerless today than ever before?

Are you talking about The Church or the churches? In any event we are Saints because of the Seal of Redemption,the Blood Covering,the Grace of God YET every single one of us are still bound inside bodies of flesh & bone...,..did Paul not testify  about the struggles between flesh & spirit......

   I don't know who here thinks they are perfectly walking in Spirit & in Truth 24/7 but until we are inhabitating those new glorified bodies we will continue to be divided,when we(the Body of Christ) stand in one accord & are in agreement we can operate at maximum potential because we are in SPIRIT,thats when we are not hindering Holy Spirit,it is the flesh that is the obstacle ......I don't know that the church is more powerless today than ever before,there are so many churches ...when you are gathered with the Body of Christ,you touch & agree and Holy Spirit is the very same Spirit as ever,it all depends on who you are with,doesn't it?

[dhchristian]

11 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

Because the supernatural has be doctrined all away...

Yes, Both Supernatural As in the fallen angels, and the Supernatural as in Saints empowered by the Holy Ghost. We Have lost the discernment to see the supernatural which is revealed to the saints. The Final outpouring will be the Gift of Discernment. (Mal. 3:18)

[Debp]

18 hours ago, Behold said:

Its teaching false doctrine that creates division.

Its the DEVIL who created the false doctrine, and people just take it from there and run with it..

This same is creating and maintaining division here.., because its allowed.

Right believing produces right living, and when all brethren believe right, they all walk agreed.

Not until.

 

 

[dhchristian]

18 hours ago, Behold said:

Right believing produces right living, and when all brethren believe right, they all walk agreed.

Not until.

Here are my reasons. A generation ago, as a reaction from Higher Criticism and its offspring, Modernism, there arose in Protestantism a powerful movement in defense of the historic Christian faith. This, for obvious reasons, came to be known as Fundamentalism. It was a more or less spontaneous movement without much organization, but its purpose wherever it appeared was the same: to stay 'the rising tide of negation' in Christian theology and to restate and defend the basic doctrines of New Testament Christianity....


Falls Victim to Its Virtues


What is generally overlooked is that Fundamentalism, as it spread throughout the various denominations and nondenominational groups, fell victim to its own virtues. The Word died in the hands of its friends. ... An unofficial hierarchy decided what Christians were to believe. Not the Scriptures, but what the scribe thought the Scriptures meant became the Christian creed. Christian colleges, seminaries, Bible institutes, Bible conferences, popular Bible expositors all joined to promote the cult of textualism. The system of extreme dispensationalism which was devised, relieved the Christian of repentance, obedience and cross-carrying in any other than the most formal sense. Whole sections of the New Testament were taken from the church and disposed of after a rigid system of dividing the Word of truth.

All this resulted in a religious mentality inimical to the true faith of Christ. ... The basic doctrines of the Bible were there, but the climate was just not favorable to the sweet fruits of the Spirit.

The whole mood was different from that of the Early Church and of the great souls who suffered and sang and worshiped in the centuries past. The doctrines were sound but something vital was missing. The tree of correct doctrine was never allowed to blossom. The voice of the turtle [dove] was rarely heard in the land".... Faith, a mighty, vitalizing doctrine in the mouths of the apostles, became in the mouth of the scribe another thing altogether and power went from it. As the letter triumphed, the Spirit withdrew and textualism ruled supreme....

In the interest of accuracy it should be said that this was a general condition only. Certainly there were some even in those low times whose longing hearts were better theologians than their teachers were. These pressed on to a fullness and power unknown to the rest. But they were not many and the odds were too great" they could not dispel the mist that hung over the land.

The error of textualism is not doctrinal. It is far more subtle than that and much more difficult to discover, but its effects are just as deadly. Not its theological beliefs are at fault, but its assumptions.

It assumes, for instance, that if we have the word for a thing we have the thing itself. If it is in the Bible, it is in us. If we have the doctrine, we have the experience. If something was true of Paul it is of necessity true of us because we accept Paul's epistles as divinely inspired. The Bible tells us how to be saved, but textualism goes on to make it tell us that we are saved, something which in the very nature of things it cannot do. Assurance of individual salvation is thus no more than a logical conclusion drawn from doctrinal premises, and the resultant experience wholly mental.




Revolt from Mental Tyranny

The human mind can endure textualism just so long, before it seeds a way of escape. The result over the last twenty years has been a religious debauch hardly equaled since Israel worshipped the golden calf. Of us Bible Christians it may truthfully be said that we 'sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.' The separating line between the Church and the world has been all but obliterated.

Aside from a few of the gross sins, the sins of the unregenerate world are now approved by a shocking number of professedly "born-again' Christians, and copied eagerly. Young Christians take as their models the rankest kind of worldlings and try to be as much like them as possible. Religious leaders have adopted the techniques of the advertisers; boasting, bating and shameless exaggerating are now carried on as a normal procedure in church work.....

The holy faith of our fathers has in many places been made a form of entertainment, and the appalling thing is that all this has been fed down to the masses from the top.

That note of protest which began with the New Testament and which was always heard loudest went the Church was most powerful has been successfully silenced. The radical element in testimony and life that once made Christians hated by the world is missing from present-day evangelism.

Christians were once revolutionists-- moral, not political -- but we have lost our revolutionary character. It is no longer either dangerous or costly to be a Christian..... We are busy these days proving to the world that they can have all the benefits of the Gospel without any of the inconvenience to their customary way of life. It's 'all this and heaven too.'...

For this reason it is useless for... believers to spend long hours begging God to send revival. Unless we intend to reform, we may as well not pray. Unless praying men have the insight and faith to amend their whole way of life to conform to the New Testament patters, there can be no true revival.

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Edited April 30, 2020 by dhchristian

[Behold]

5 hours ago, Debp said:

Lovely Jesus, the Rose of Sharon, the GIFT of God.

Jesus became our sin.....and we became HIS Righteousness.

[Behold]

6 hours ago, dhchristian said:

The whole mood was different from that of the Early Church  

For this reason it is useless for... believers to spend long hours begging God 

First of all no real believer should be found "begging God".  Not ever.

You don't beg your Father, you trust your Father.   God is Love.  You don't have to beg Love.

Also, im sort of "the last of our kind".. Im a type of "earlier" Christian Bible Believer who is related to Paul who is related to the Doctrines of Christ.

WE are fewer in the Pulpit and few on Christian Forums.

We are not interested in spending any time worrying about "gifts" and we have even less time to chase a end time rabbit down a rabbit trail hole.

"our kind" is all about.. 1.)  getting a believer established deeply in the Grace of God and then getting them teaching this Truth, Preaching this truth, because they are living IN This Truth.

2.) Getting a believer's mind focused on meeting Christ at the judgement seat,  and living a life that proves you  understands this very specifically.

 

[kwikphilly]

Your not really so few as you might believe,you might like it down here in south Florida,I'm surrounded by like minded people who are firmly established in Gods Grace.rooted & grounded in His Word,living a Life More Abundant having Received the Way,the Truth & the Life.................

  I can't speak for other Forums or computer ,social media networking folks-the only online Ministry Ive ever known is WCF but I can tell you that even just experiencing this Forum,the people are a wide variety of personalities,lol-to say the least

    My personal life has always been more up close & personal and Praise Jesus for the Body of Christ ......I've been Blessed by wonderful preachers,teachers,mentors & friends........my own Ministry is a Blessing as well.....gee,you can watch fantastic preachers on TV that teach sound doctrine.....you sound like the last of the mohicans or something,theres plenty of us around-I guess you'll see that at soon enough when Christ Returns                           With love-in Christ,Kwik

[dhchristian]

31 minutes ago, Behold said:

First of all no real believer should be found "begging God".  Not ever.

 

From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. (James 4:1-10)