Eschatological Hermeneutics

[Marilyn C]

10 hours ago, Diaste said:

I see. The approach I'm referencing is one, or a combination, of the main perspectives on eschatological study. Do you have a literal, moral, allegorical or analogical view of eschatology? I think what you brought up is more along the lines of tenet or doctrine. 

Hi Diaste,

OK, I do read God`s word as literal, except where it is obviously symbolic, eg. Jesus is the Lion... the Lamb... etc. 

[Marilyn C]

On ‎5‎/‎9‎/‎2020 at 11:51 PM, Behold said:

Study Paul intensely instead.  "be followers of ME as i follow Christ", He wrote....= do that.

Become rock solid in "justification by Faith" theology,  and live to spread the Love of God as the message of the Blood Atonement so that others will find God's love for themselves.

Put  "end times" (study)= rabbit trail in your rear view mirror...... and keep the judgement seat of Christ in front of your eyes, till the day you are there.  

Hi Behold,

It seems you may have a real heart for the lost, and with that we need to share the `WHOLE COUNSEL,` of God. (Acts 20: 27) Yes to `follow` is to look at behaviour AND then there it is important to KNOW the truths that God has written for us.

Depending on our giftings we can be either be swayed just towards the lost or just swayed toward the eschatological truths. We need a balance and teach the whole counsel of God which the Holy Spirit has been clarifying over the years across the Body of Christ. And we are very blessed to live in the time when most of the truths have been clarified -

Salvation, Holy living, baptism in water, infilling of the Holy Spirit, gifts of the Holy Spirit, ministries of Christ, and finally now the `Eternal Purposes in Christ for the 3 groups - the Body of Christ, for Israel and for the Nations.`  

[The Light]

23 hours ago, OneLight said:

@Marilyn C  I am a bit confused with point number 1, speaking about specific divisions.  In Galatians 3:26-29 we read something different.

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.  For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.  And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Why continue the division Jesus resolved? 

Jesus did not resolve Gods timing as to when the Jews blindness will be removed. Part of Israel will see when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, pre trib rapture. That's why there is division, as God keeps His promises.

 

[OneLight]

Just now, The Light said:

Jesus did not resolve Gods timing as to when the Jews blindness will be removed. Part of Israel will see when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, pre trib rapture. That's why there is division, as God keeps His promises.

 

After the rapture, many will come to know the truth.  I believe that 144,000 are part of "the many", but once they do believe are they not partakers of Christ, like the Gentiles who were grafted in?

If I may ask, what are the promises you and Marilyn speak of?  I don't want to assume I know what you are talking about, so clarification will be greatly appreciated.

[The Light]

20 minutes ago, OneLight said:

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After the rapture, many will come to know the truth.  I believe that 144,000 are part of "the many", but once they do believe are they not partakers of Christ, like the Gentiles who were grafted in?

I am not following you here. What do you mean that the 144,000 are part of the many? And when do you believe the rapture will happen, pretrib, prewrath etc.

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If I may ask, what are the promises you and Marilyn speak of?  I don't want to assume I know what you are talking about, so clarification will be greatly appreciated.

Rom 11

²⁵ For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

 

[OneLight]

2 minutes ago, The Light said:

I am not following you here. What do you mean that the 144,000 are part of the many? And when do you believe the rapture will happen, pretrib, prewrath etc.

When someone becomes a Christian, they become part of the body of Christ.  I am not positive about this, but the 144,000 Jews, 12,000 from each tribe, who become sealed on their forehead are new believers as I never read about them before Revelation 7.

As for which stance I take on the rapture, I follow strictly the last trumpet stance (1 Corinthains 15:52).   I've examined the reasoning behind each stance and none are convincing, so I stick to only what is clearly said.

2 minutes ago, The Light said:

Rom 11

²⁵ For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Thanks.  I thought there were promises made from the OT you were talking about.  Glad for the clarification.

[The Light]

40 minutes ago, OneLight said:

When someone becomes a Christian, they become part of the body of Christ.  I am not positive about this, but the 144,000 Jews, 12,000 from each tribe, who become sealed on their forehead are new believers as I never read about them before Revelation 7.

That's correct the 144,000 Jews are the 1st first fruits which guarantees a harvest of the 12 tribes.

Rev 14

³ And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

⁴ These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

40 minutes ago, OneLight said:

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As for which stance I take on the rapture, I follow strictly the last trumpet stance (1 Corinthains 15:52).   I've examined the reasoning behind each stance and none are convincing, so I stick to only what is clearly said.

I believe there will be two raptures. The Gentile Church in a pretrib rapture at the trump of God. And then the 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth in a prewrath rapture. This rapture will occur at the last trump which is blown of the Jewish Feast of Trumpets.

 

40 minutes ago, OneLight said:

Thanks.  I thought there were promises made from the OT you were talking about.  Glad for the clarification.

Here's something from the old testament, that shows the plan was for the Jews to be the 1st harvest. The fathers were seen as the 1st fruits in the fig tree at her 1st time. BTW, The fig tree has two harvests and that's one of the reasons that I believe there will be two raptures. The Jews served other God's so the Gentiles would become the first harvest. Of course God also let's us know that 70 week are determined upon the people of Daniel and only 69 weeks have taken place. When the fullness of the Gentiles comes in He will turn His attention to the Jews.

Hos 9

¹⁰ I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

[Diaste]

10 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Diaste,

OK, I do read God`s word as literal, except where it is obviously symbolic, eg. Jesus is the Lion... the Lamb... etc. 

I think that's a good approach. It's how I do it as well. It seems the most consistent and meaningful.

[WilliamL]

On 5/10/2020 at 6:48 AM, Diaste said:

Do you have a literal, moral, allegorical or analogical view of eschatology?

What you mean "or," white man?  

God speaks on all levels; most people understand only one or two of them at best.

Many are still trying to understand literal.

[Diaste]

17 hours ago, WilliamL said:

What you mean "or," white man?  

God speaks on all levels; most people understand only one or two of them at best.

Many are still trying to understand literal.

Agree. It's not one approach it's homogeneous. I just thought the question was interesting as I see interpretations heavily weighted toward either fully literal or fully allegorical.