Mary Was Just A Woman

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Thank for answering my question other one

I won't get you started Iryssa

[seraph]

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Well, "communication with the dead" is actually getting in touch with them... like channeling....for example...

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Asking for intercession is just asking the person or saint to pray for your intention.

There is a huge difference.

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If you are not "getting in touch with them," then how do they "hear" the prayer?

]1 Tim 2:5 confirms that we share in Christ

[Ovedya]

...as she has been exalted above all mankind.

Not even close! Only Christ has been exalted above all (Phil. 2:9; Eph. 1:20-21; Heb. 1:4; Acts 2:33; 1 Pet. 3:22)!

Her Son sits at the right hand of the Father and she sits at His offering prayers of intercession on our behalf and extending God's grace to us.

She sits at Jesus' right hand? Not so! Mary has no part in extending God's grace to us. Only Christ Jesus does (John 1:17; Rom. 3:24; 5:21; 1 Cor. 1:4; 2 Tim. 2:1; Eph. 1:6)!

She, like Ruth, is the one who harvests the fields for God. She is the one who brings the lost to Jesus and Jesus to the lost.

Wrong again! First of all, the angels are the reapers of the harvest in the last days (Matt. 9; 13) Secondly, in this age the ones who bring the lost to Jesus are us the children of God in the church! Mary has absolutely no part in the spreading of the gospel in this age or in the age to come.

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I'd still like to know why the catholic Church doesn't honor Joseph. . . .

[Iryssa]

I'd still like to know why the catholic Church doesn't honor Joseph. . . .

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Well, they do, but not the same way. I've been to L'Oratoire Saint-Joseph in Qu

[Can Do (Phil 4:13)]

Ok, we've about done this to death IMHO. Most 'real' or authentic Christians believe it's WRONG to pray to anyone OTHER than Jesus. Lets be done with it ok.

Faithie

[Pax]

I'd still like to know why the catholic Church doesn't honor Joseph. . . .

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The Catholic Church does honor Joseph as a great Saint, but Mary is honored as the greatest Saint of all. She was the vessel through which Jesus became God/Man. Joseph is not the actual father of Jesus, but Mary is the Mother of God. This is very hard to understand for many people, even Catholics. I wouldn't expect a non-Catholic to understand this, but I at least want you to have an idea of what the Catholic teaches. I hope this answers your question about Joseph.

Let me add this about Mary. Mary alone had the priviledge of being the Mother of God the son, Jesus Christ. The theological term is theotokos, which is Greek for "the God-bearer". Giving flesh to the "Word made flesh" grants Mary an excellence and a dignity beyond any other creature. This thread was started by a person calling Mary just another "ordinary women." Can you imagine the intimate union and spiritual effects of having God physsically present in you for nine months and then giving Jesus his human nature??? Because Mary as true Mother gave to Jesus what our mothers gave to us, a nature like her own, she is rightly the Mother of God. Mary was not just an ordinary women.

[EricH]

I'd still like to know why the catholic Church doesn't honor Joseph. . . .

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Let me add this about Mary. Mary alone had the priviledge of being the Mother of God the son, Jesus Christ. The theological term is theotokos, which is Greek for "the God-bearer". Giving flesh to the "Word made flesh" grants Mary an excellence and a dignity beyond any other creature. This thread was started by a person calling Mary just another "ordinary women." Can you imagine the intimate union and spiritual effects of having God physsically present in you for nine months and then giving Jesus his human nature??? Because Mary as true Mother gave to Jesus what our mothers gave to us, a nature like her own, she is rightly the Mother of God. Mary was not just an ordinary women.

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It should be noted that this greek term is nowhere used in the New Testament, but is a term developed by Catholic Theologians. I just wanted to affirm this because people might think because a greek word is used it is implied that the greek was taken from the NT. It was not

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Let me add this about Mary. Mary alone had the priviledge of being the Mother of God the son, Jesus Christ. The theological term is theotokos, which is Greek for "the God-bearer". Giving flesh to the "Word made flesh" grants Mary an excellence and a dignity beyond any other creature. This thread was started by a person calling Mary just another "ordinary women." Can you imagine the intimate union and spiritual effects of having God physsically present in you for nine months and then giving Jesus his human nature??? Because Mary as true Mother gave to Jesus what our mothers gave to us, a nature like her own, she is rightly the Mother of God. Mary was not just an ordinary women.

My Goodness? I have seen twice tonight in this thread darn near Blasphemy if not outrightly so?

Mary gave Jesus her nature? Her nature was one of sin. She was born of the will of man.

It was God's Holy Spirit that fostered the nature of Jesus. Mary is renown for her Obedience and Faith to God's Word. This did not make her God.

Pax,

You just said that Mary Created God? In so many words. Is that what you are trying to say? Think about this clearly now?

If Mary was not just an ordinary woman? What was she? Did she have parents of the nature of Adam first?

I wouldn't expect a non-Catholic to understand this

I'm being sincere here. I was Catholic at one time so I do understand exactly what you are saying.

It's not really too hard to undersatnd at all. You are elevating Mary to some status she didn't enjoy in this world and certainly not in the Kingdom. You are saying she has Christ's ear and that He does listen to her counsel. That she gave Him His nature. Gave flesh to the Word made flesh. Yet no flesh shall Boast before the Lord. If Mary boasts in anything other than Christ? What then?

1Co

[nebula]

Mary alone had the priviledge of being the Mother of God the son, Jesus Christ.  The theological term is theotokos, which is Greek for "the God-bearer".  Giving flesh to the "Word made flesh" grants Mary an excellence and a dignity beyond any other creature.  This thread was started by a person calling Mary just another "ordinary women."  Can you imagine the intimate union and spiritual effects of having God physsically present in you for nine months and then giving Jesus his human nature???  Because Mary as true Mother gave to Jesus what our mothers gave to us, a nature like her own, she is rightly the Mother of God.  Mary was not just an ordinary women.

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Is Mary greater than Jesus? That sure is what you are saying.

But look at what the Scriptures say:

Matthew 12:46-50

46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, "Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You." 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, "Who is My mother and who are My brothers?" 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, "Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother."

Does it look as if Jesus exalted Mary?

Luke 11:27-28

27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, "Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!" 28 But He said, "More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!"

And BTW - God gave flesh to Jesus, not Mary! All Mary did was to donate an egg an her womb. God did the rest (to include teh forming and fashioning).