Learn a lesson from the Great Awakening ...

[BeauJangles]

4 minutes ago, steve morrow said:

RESPONSIBILITY ???   --- BORN AGAIN --- BY  MANS  WORDS ???  OR  BY  THE  WORDS  --GIVEN--  TO  US  BY  GOD  THROUGH  HIS  SON  JESUS  CHRIST  THE  KING  OF  KINGS  AND  LORD  OF  LORDS  OUR  SAVIOUR  AND  MESSIAH

 

and  JESUS  answered him saying it is written --- THAT  MAN  SHALL  NOT  LIVE --- BY  BREAD  ALONE  BUT  BY  EVERY  WORD ---  OF  GOD

1 PETER 1:23  being born again not of corruptible seed but of incorruptible by --THE  WORD  OF  GOD-- which liveth and abideth for ever 

JOHN 6:63  it is the spirit that quickeneth --THE  FLESH  PROFITETH  NOTHING-- the words that --I  SPEAK--they are spirit and they are life

 

JOHN  21:14  this is now the third time that  JESUS  showed himself to  HIS  disciples after that he was risen from the dead   --21:15-- so when they had dined  JESUS  saith to simon peter simon son of Jonas ---lovest thou me more than these  he saith unto  HIM  yea  LORD  thou knowest that I love thee ---HE  saith unto him feed  MY  lambs

--21:16-- HE  saith to him again the second time simon son of Jonas lovest thou  ME  he saith unto  HIM  yea  LORD  thou knowest that I love thee  HE  saith unto him --FEED  MY  SHEEP--

--21:17-- HE  saith unto him the third time simon son of Jonas --LOVEST  THOU  ME-- peter was grieved because  HE  said unto him the third time  lovest thou  ME  and he said unto  HIM  LORD  thou knowest all things thou knowest that I love thee --- JESUS  SAITH  UNTO  HIM  FEED  MY  SHEEP ---

 

JOHN 14:21  HE  THAT  HATH  MY  COMMANDMENTS  AND  KEEPETH  THEM  HE  IT  IS  THAT  LOVETH  ME  AND  HE  THAT  LOVETH  ME  SHALL  BE  LOVED  OF  MY  FATHER  AND  I  WILL  LOVE  HIM  

JOHN 15:10  --IF-- you keep  MY  commandments you shall --ABIDE  IN  MY  LOVE-- even as I have kept  MY  FATHERS  commandments and abide in  HIS  love

*******PROVERBS 8:17  I  LOVE  THEM  THAT  LOVE  ME  AND  THOSE  THAT  SEEK  ME  EARLY  SHALL  FIND  ME*******

 

TITUS 1:14  not giving heed to jewish fables and commandments of men that --TURN  FROM  THE  TRUTH--

COLOSSIANS 2:22  WHICH  ALL  ARE  TO  PERISH  WITH  THE USING  AFTER  THE  COMMANDMENTS  AND  DOCTRINES  OF  MEN

MATTHEW 16:23  BUT  HE  TURNED  AND  SAID  UNTO  PETER  GET  THEE  BEHIND  ME  satan  THOU  ART  AN  OFFENSE  UNTO  ME  FOR  THOU  SAVOUREST  NOT  THE  THINGS  THAT  BE  OF  GOD  --- BUT  THOSE  THINGS  THAT  BE  OF  MEN ---

 

ACTS 10:34  then peter opened his mouth and said of a truth I perceive that  GOD  is no respecter of persons --10:35-- but in every nation he that feareth  HIM  and ---WORKETH  RIGHTEOUSNESS--- is accepted with  HIM 

PROVERBS 8:8  all the words of   MY   mouth are in righteousness there is nothing froward or perverse in them 

PSALM 119:172  MY  TONGUE  SHALL  SPEAK  OF  THY  WORD  FOR  --ALL--  THY  COMMANDMENTS  ARE  RIGHTEOUSNESS 

ROMANS 6:18  being then made free from sin you became the servants of righteousness 

--6:20-- for when you were the servants of sin you were free from righteousness 

 

DOES  JESUS  TEACH  LOGIC  OR  TRUTH --- DID  OUR  FATHER  IN  HEAVEN  COMMAND  JESUS'S  FOLLOWERS  TO  SPEAK  THEIR  OWN  WORDS  OR  TO WALK  IN  TRUTH 

 

PSALM 86:11  teach me thy way  O  LORD  I will walk in thy truth unite my heart to fear thy name 

 

JOHN 14:6  JESUS  saith unto him --I  AM  THE  WAY--THE  TRUTH--AND  THE  LIFE-- no one comes unto  THE  FATHER  but by  ME

JOHN 18:37  pilate therefore said unto  HIM  art thou a king then  JESUS  answered thou sayest that I am a king to this end was I born and for this cause came I into the world ---THAT  I  SHOULD  BEAR  WITNESS  UNTO  THE  TRUTH---

PROVERBS 12:17  he that speaketh truth showeth forth righteousness --- BUT  A  FALSE  WITNESS  DECEIT ---

PROVERBS 8:7  for  MY  MOUTH  shall speak truth and wickedness is an abomination to  MY  lips

 

PHILIPPIANS 2:21  FOR  ALL  SEEK  THEIR  OWN  NOT  THE  THINGS  WHICH  ARE  JESUS  CHRISTS 

JOHN 5:34  but  I  receive not testimony from man but these things --I  SAY-- that you might be saved 

 

2 CORINTHIANS 12:20  for I fear lest when I come I shall not find you such as I would and that I shall be found unto you such as you would not lest there be --DEBATES--ENVYINGS--WRATHS--STRIFES--BACKBITINGS--WHISPERINGS--SWELLINGS--TUMULTS  --12:21-- and lest when I come again --MY  GOD-- will humble me among you and that I should bewail many which have sinned already ---AND  HAVE  NOT  REPENTED--- of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed 

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST 

Okay now, bro.  C'mon. Several of us with visual difficulties like dyslexia, macular degeneration, and other sight problems are having a tough time reading the stuff you write. I'd dearly love to read it, but it's practically impossible. It's chaotic and frustrating. At least half a dozen times we've suggested "cap-down". But you won't help us out. 

Stop submitting this upper-lower case jazz! 

[Behold]

37 minutes ago, OneLight said:

I can see how you wold think that is what I meant, and for that, I apologize for not being clearer.  You will find the meaning of what I said when you look back on when you were saved, repented of your sins, and asked for forgiveness.  What sins were you asking forgiveness from and what sins were you repenting from?  Did your future sins bring conviction to your heart, or your past sins?  At the time of your salvation your future sins had not yet been committed, how can you ask for forgiveness and repent from them? 

Are there any sins in Christ?    

Is a born again believer "in Christ"?

Is there any sin in "God's righteousness"?

A born again person is "the righteousness of God, IN CHRIST"....

Jesus died 2000+ yrs ago, and saves INTO THE FUTURE

The blood atonement saves forever.  It never stops paying for your sin.   Salvation is not a Temporary situation.

Salvation does not "turn off".....till you repent, then "turn back on" when you confess., as you teach and believe.

Jesus is a ONE TIME Sacrifice that God accepts to accept us.   What we do, has nothing to do with why God saved us or why God keeps us saved.

Its all of Christ, who IS our Eternal Redemption.

Edited May 17, 2020 by Behold

[Behold]

21 minutes ago, steve morrow said:

RESPONSIBILITY ???   --- BORN AGAIN --- BY  MANS  WORDS ???  OR  BY  THE  WORDS  --GIVEN--  TO  US  BY  GOD  THROUGH  HIS  SON  JESUS  CHRIST  THE  KING  OF  KINGS  AND  LORD  OF  LORDS  OUR  SAVIOUR  AND  MESSIAH

 

and  JESUS  answered him saying it is written --- THAT  MAN  SHALL  NOT  LIVE --- BY  BREAD  ALONE  BUT  BY  EVERY  WORD ---  OF  GOD

1 PETER 1:23  being born again not of corruptible seed but of incorruptible by --THE  WORD  OF  GOD-- which liveth and abideth for ever 

JOHN 6:63  it is the spirit that quickeneth --THE  FLESH  PROFITETH  NOTHING-- the words that --I  SPEAK--they are spirit and they are life

 

JOHN  21:14  this is now the third time that  JESUS  showed himself to  HIS  disciples after that he was risen from the dead   --21:15-- so when they had dined  JESUS  saith to simon peter simon son of Jonas ---lovest thou me more than these  he saith unto  HIM  yea  LORD  thou knowest that I love thee ---HE  saith unto him feed  MY  lambs

--21:16-- HE  saith to him again the second time simon son of Jonas lovest thou  ME  he saith unto  HIM  yea  LORD  thou knowest that I love thee  HE  saith unto him --FEED  MY  SHEEP--

--21:17-- HE  saith unto him the third time simon son of Jonas --LOVEST  THOU  ME-- peter was grieved because  HE  said unto him the third time  lovest thou  ME  and he said unto  HIM  LORD  thou knowest all things thou knowest that I love thee --- JESUS  SAITH  UNTO  HIM  FEED  MY  SHEEP ---

 

JOHN 14:21  HE  THAT  HATH  MY  COMMANDMENTS  AND  KEEPETH  THEM  HE  IT  IS  THAT  LOVETH  ME  AND  HE  THAT  LOVETH  ME  SHALL  BE  LOVED  OF  MY  FATHER  AND  I  WILL  LOVE  HIM  

JOHN 15:10  --IF-- you keep  MY  commandments you shall --ABIDE  IN  MY  LOVE-- even as I have kept  MY  FATHERS  commandments and abide in  HIS  love

*******PROVERBS 8:17  I  LOVE  THEM  THAT  LOVE  ME  AND  THOSE  THAT  SEEK  ME  EARLY  SHALL  FIND  ME*******

 

TITUS 1:14  not giving heed to jewish fables and commandments of men that --TURN  FROM  THE  TRUTH--

COLOSSIANS 2:22  WHICH  ALL  ARE  TO  PERISH  WITH  THE USING  AFTER  THE  COMMANDMENTS  AND  DOCTRINES  OF  MEN

MATTHEW 16:23  BUT  HE  TURNED  AND  SAID  UNTO  PETER  GET  THEE  BEHIND  ME  satan  THOU  ART  AN  OFFENSE  UNTO  ME  FOR  THOU  SAVOUREST  NOT  THE  THINGS  THAT  BE  OF  GOD  --- BUT  THOSE  THINGS  THAT  BE  OF  MEN ---

 

ACTS 10:34  then peter opened his mouth and said of a truth I perceive that  GOD  is no respecter of persons --10:35-- but in every nation he that feareth  HIM  and ---WORKETH  RIGHTEOUSNESS--- is accepted with  HIM 

PROVERBS 8:8  all the words of   MY   mouth are in righteousness there is nothing froward or perverse in them 

PSALM 119:172  MY  TONGUE  SHALL  SPEAK  OF  THY  WORD  FOR  --ALL--  THY  COMMANDMENTS  ARE  RIGHTEOUSNESS 

ROMANS 6:18  being then made free from sin you became the servants of righteousness 

--6:20-- for when you were the servants of sin you were free from righteousness 

 

DOES  JESUS  TEACH  LOGIC  OR  TRUTH --- DID  OUR  FATHER  IN  HEAVEN  COMMAND  JESUS'S  FOLLOWERS  TO  SPEAK  THEIR  OWN  WORDS  OR  TO WALK  IN  TRUTH 

 

PSALM 86:11  teach me thy way  O  LORD  I will walk in thy truth unite my heart to fear thy name 

 

JOHN 14:6  JESUS  saith unto him --I  AM  THE  WAY--THE  TRUTH--AND  THE  LIFE-- no one comes unto  THE  FATHER  but by  ME

JOHN 18:37  pilate therefore said unto  HIM  art thou a king then  JESUS  answered thou sayest that I am a king to this end was I born and for this cause came I into the world ---THAT  I  SHOULD  BEAR  WITNESS  UNTO  THE  TRUTH---

PROVERBS 12:17  he that speaketh truth showeth forth righteousness --- BUT  A  FALSE  WITNESS  DECEIT ---

PROVERBS 8:7  for  MY  MOUTH  shall speak truth and wickedness is an abomination to  MY  lips

 

PHILIPPIANS 2:21  FOR  ALL  SEEK  THEIR  OWN  NOT  THE  THINGS  WHICH  ARE  JESUS  CHRISTS 

JOHN 5:34  but  I  receive not testimony from man but these things --I  SAY-- that you might be saved 

 

2 CORINTHIANS 12:20  for I fear lest when I come I shall not find you such as I would and that I shall be found unto you such as you would not lest there be --DEBATES--ENVYINGS--WRATHS--STRIFES--BACKBITINGS--WHISPERINGS--SWELLINGS--TUMULTS  --12:21-- and lest when I come again --MY  GOD-- will humble me among you and that I should bewail many which have sinned already ---AND  HAVE  NOT  REPENTED--- of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed 

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST 

 

 

 

what is it that you are trying to prove?  can you just explain it?

[JustPassingThru]

18 minutes ago, OneLight said:

I can see how you wold think that is what I meant, and for that, I apologize for not being clearer.  You will find the meaning of what I said when you look back on when you were saved, repented of your sins, and asked for forgiveness.  What sins were you asking forgiveness from and what sins were you repenting from?  Did your future sins bring conviction to your heart, or your past sins?  At the time of your salvation your future sins had not yet been committed, how can you ask for forgiveness and repent from them? 

Bro, I didn't "repent" of my sins the day I was saved, ...in fact "all" of my sins were on my shoulders, I was at a Bible Study and they bent me over in my chair with my head between my knees so that I couldn't sit back up no matter how hard I tried.

At the same time I knew in my heart I was destined for Hell, ...for the first time in the 37 years of my life the darkness as to "Who" Jesus was to me, ...just a name I frequently used in swearing, ...the Light of the Glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ "shown" Gen 1:3, ... in my mind 2 Cor 4:4, ...and I repented, changed my mind "about" Jesus, ...He could be "my" Savior if I just "believed" in my heart and "confessed" him with my mouth, ...which I did and I became a blood bought, born again child of God.

The next day...

I didn't "repent" of any of my sins, ...but rather I had this "sense" inside of me "not to do that!" 

I didn't "repent" of my sin of pornography, ...I just threw away the Playboys and haven't bought one since.

I didn't "repent" of my swearing, ...and believe me, ...I could of out cussed a muleskinner, ...the "words" were erased from my mind and I didn't even realize it it until some time later one of my workers told me I had stopped cussing.

My motto was, "I don't get even , ...I get ahead!"

Suddenly I had this "urge" inside of me to forgive and actually help those that had hurt, cheated, betrayed, used, profited from me.

To be truthful, I haven't "repented" from anything I have done in the "flesh," ...I just follow the Holy Spirit's teaching and "confess," ...homologeō, ...that is, ...say the same thing God says about my sin, "...Father I agree with You, ...what I did is sin," and the Holy Spirit assures me, He is Faithful and Just to forgive me, ...AND cleanse me, ...the word He used is,   katharizō, which means to purify,

Which means, though my sins be as scarlet, ...I reason, I "agree" with my Father and He katharizō, purifies me, ...and He "sees" my "sin" as white as snow, ...washed by the Blood of the Cross.

 

At the time of your salvation your future sins had not yet been committed, how can you ask for forgiveness and repent from them? 

How old are you, ..more than 2,000 years old?

So you "are" saying Jesus has to go back to the Cross and die again!

So, the onus is on you to provide a verse for us to prove what you are teaching.  Acts 17:11

[Behold]

12 minutes ago, JustPassingThru said:

Bro, I didn't "repent" of my sins the day I was saved, ...

To be truthful, I haven't "repented" from anything I have done in the "flesh," ...I just follow the Holy Spirit's teaching and "confess," ...homologeō, ...that is, ...say the same thing God says about my sin, "...Father I agree with You, ...what I did is sin," and the Holy Spirit assures me, He is Faithful and Just to forgive me, ...AND cleanse me, ...the word He used is,   katharizō, which means to purify,

Which means, though my sins be as scarlet, ...I reason, I "agree" with my Father and He katharizō, purifies me, ...and He "sees" my "sin" as white as snow, ...washed by the Blood of the Cross.

 

THIS = ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What can wash away my sins

Nothing but the Blood of Jesus

What can make me whole again

Nothing but the Blood of Jesus

(take the 3rd verse Ladies ONLY)..

What is all my hope and peace

Nothing but the blood of Jesus

What is ALL MY RIGHTEOUSNESS

= NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS...

[OneLight]

19 minutes ago, steve morrow said:

RESPONSIBILITY ???   --- BORN AGAIN --- BY  MANS  WORDS ???  OR  BY  THE  WORDS  --GIVEN--  TO  US  BY  GOD  THROUGH  HIS  SON  JESUS  CHRIST  THE  KING  OF  KINGS  AND  LORD  OF  LORDS  OUR  SAVIOUR  AND  MESSIAH

Mans words are worthless unless it is backed up by scripture, so I am not sure why you are hollering this to us?

19 minutes ago, steve morrow said:

 

and  JESUS  answered him saying it is written --- THAT  MAN  SHALL  NOT  LIVE --- BY  BREAD  ALONE  BUT  BY  EVERY  WORD ---  OF  GOD

1 PETER 1:23  being born again not of corruptible seed but of incorruptible by --THE  WORD  OF  GOD-- which liveth and abideth for ever 

JOHN 6:63  it is the spirit that quickeneth --THE  FLESH  PROFITETH  NOTHING-- the words that --I  SPEAK--they are spirit and they are life

 

JOHN  21:14  this is now the third time that  JESUS  showed himself to  HIS  disciples after that he was risen from the dead   --21:15-- so when they had dined  JESUS  saith to simon peter simon son of Jonas ---lovest thou me more than these  he saith unto  HIM  yea  LORD  thou knowest that I love thee ---HE  saith unto him feed  MY  lambs

--21:16-- HE  saith to him again the second time simon son of Jonas lovest thou  ME  he saith unto  HIM  yea  LORD  thou knowest that I love thee  HE  saith unto him --FEED  MY  SHEEP--

--21:17-- HE  saith unto him the third time simon son of Jonas --LOVEST  THOU  ME-- peter was grieved because  HE  said unto him the third time  lovest thou  ME  and he said unto  HIM  LORD  thou knowest all things thou knowest that I love thee --- JESUS  SAITH  UNTO  HIM  FEED  MY  SHEEP ---

 

JOHN 14:21  HE  THAT  HATH  MY  COMMANDMENTS  AND  KEEPETH  THEM  HE  IT  IS  THAT  LOVETH  ME  AND  HE  THAT  LOVETH  ME  SHALL  BE  LOVED  OF  MY  FATHER  AND  I  WILL  LOVE  HIM  

JOHN 15:10  --IF-- you keep  MY  commandments you shall --ABIDE  IN  MY  LOVE-- even as I have kept  MY  FATHERS  commandments and abide in  HIS  love

*******PROVERBS 8:17  I  LOVE  THEM  THAT  LOVE  ME  AND  THOSE  THAT  SEEK  ME  EARLY  SHALL  FIND  ME*******

 

TITUS 1:14  not giving heed to jewish fables and commandments of men that --TURN  FROM  THE  TRUTH--

COLOSSIANS 2:22  WHICH  ALL  ARE  TO  PERISH  WITH  THE USING  AFTER  THE  COMMANDMENTS  AND  DOCTRINES  OF  MEN

MATTHEW 16:23  BUT  HE  TURNED  AND  SAID  UNTO  PETER  GET  THEE  BEHIND  ME  satan  THOU  ART  AN  OFFENSE  UNTO  ME  FOR  THOU  SAVOUREST  NOT  THE  THINGS  THAT  BE  OF  GOD  --- BUT  THOSE  THINGS  THAT  BE  OF  MEN ---

 

ACTS 10:34  then peter opened his mouth and said of a truth I perceive that  GOD  is no respecter of persons --10:35-- but in every nation he that feareth  HIM  and ---WORKETH  RIGHTEOUSNESS--- is accepted with  HIM 

PROVERBS 8:8  all the words of   MY   mouth are in righteousness there is nothing froward or perverse in them 

PSALM 119:172  MY  TONGUE  SHALL  SPEAK  OF  THY  WORD  FOR  --ALL--  THY  COMMANDMENTS  ARE  RIGHTEOUSNESS 

ROMANS 6:18  being then made free from sin you became the servants of righteousness 

--6:20-- for when you were the servants of sin you were free from righteousness 

I don't see anyone speaking against these verses. 

19 minutes ago, steve morrow said:

 

DOES  JESUS  TEACH  LOGIC  OR  TRUTH --- DID  OUR  FATHER  IN  HEAVEN  COMMAND  JESUS'S  FOLLOWERS  TO  SPEAK  THEIR  OWN  WORDS  OR  TO WALK  IN  TRUTH 

Do you see His truth as being illogical?  Speak and walk are two different ideas, but nevertheless, we are to do both according to His will.

19 minutes ago, steve morrow said:

 

PSALM 86:11  teach me thy way  O  LORD  I will walk in thy truth unite my heart to fear thy name 

 

JOHN 14:6  JESUS  saith unto him --I  AM  THE  WAY--THE  TRUTH--AND  THE  LIFE-- no one comes unto  THE  FATHER  but by  ME

JOHN 18:37  pilate therefore said unto  HIM  art thou a king then  JESUS  answered thou sayest that I am a king to this end was I born and for this cause came I into the world ---THAT  I  SHOULD  BEAR  WITNESS  UNTO  THE  TRUTH---

PROVERBS 12:17  he that speaketh truth showeth forth righteousness --- BUT  A  FALSE  WITNESS  DECEIT ---

PROVERBS 8:7  for  MY  MOUTH  shall speak truth and wickedness is an abomination to  MY  lips

 

PHILIPPIANS 2:21  FOR  ALL  SEEK  THEIR  OWN  NOT  THE  THINGS  WHICH  ARE  JESUS  CHRISTS 

JOHN 5:34  but  I  receive not testimony from man but these things --I  SAY-- that you might be saved 

 

2 CORINTHIANS 12:20  for I fear lest when I come I shall not find you such as I would and that I shall be found unto you such as you would not lest there be --DEBATES--ENVYINGS--WRATHS--STRIFES--BACKBITINGS--WHISPERINGS--SWELLINGS--TUMULTS  --12:21-- and lest when I come again --MY  GOD-- will humble me among you and that I should bewail many which have sinned already ---AND  HAVE  NOT  REPENTED--- of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed 

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST 

 

 

 

Again, all good scriptures, but I don't see anyone arguing against them?

[Dennis1209]

On 5/14/2020 at 11:47 AM, George said:

Shalom everyone,

I believe we can learn an interesting lesson from the Great Awakening that took place in the 1700s ... 

https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/magazine/article/wesley-vs-whitefield

...

...

Take the time to read through the article in its entirety!

It will offer some insights of the divisions that are at place even today ... and how men of God continued as BROTHERS in spite of their differences,

God bless,

George

Greetings again George,

It's interesting the differences of theology developed all the way back to Polycarp and Irenaeus; friends and disciples of the Apostle John. Not to mention the splits, denominations, man-made traditions and theology, Salvation and OSAS arguments through the centuries. 

But what really peaks my interest and stands out, is Jesus' seven letters to the churches in Asia Minor [now Turkey]. It seems evident these seven churches are the history of the church age written in advance. Historically each one of those seven churches can be assigned specific dates in history. I believe the 'Great Awakening' that took place in the 1700's is assigned to the letter addressed to the church of Philadelphia. The only church Jesus had nothing bad to say about. It can accurately be dated from 1700 - 1901 and was a time of great revivals and awakenings; producing great men like Wesley, Whitefield, Edwards, Spurgeon and Moody. America rose as a Christian nation and was greatly blessed by God. America sent out the most [and still do] missionaries to spread the Gospel. America was instrumental in the establishment and support for Israel in 1948, and since flip flops depending on the administration.

I believe today we're living in the Laodicean age [1901 until the Rapture] and lukewarm that Jesus spews out of His mouth. In 1901 another Bible version / translation was introduced; the Revised Standard Version (RSV); giving us a competing Bible, and since then, more versions / translations than Carter had liver pills. This Laodicean church mirrors most churches today and peoples attitudes, and Revelation 3: 14-20 describes what we are witnessing and living in today. 

[OneLight]

1 hour ago, JustPassingThru said:

Bro, I didn't "repent" of my sins the day I was saved, ...in fact "all" of my sins were on my shoulders, I was at a Bible Study and they bent me over in my chair with my head between my knees so that I couldn't sit back up no matter how hard I tried.

Brother, there is a difference between head knowledge of salvation and a heart felt knowledge of salvation, which does include repentance.  Please read Luke 5:32, 13:1-5 , 24:47; Acts 2:37-38, 3:19, 8:22, 17:30, 26:20 - just to name a few.  There is no salvation without repentance.  Someone will say that "whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved", but fail to explain what that means.  It does not mean that all someone has to do is simply say the words "Jesus" and they are saved without the heart felt desire to be forgiven and repent.  A true heart felt salvation begins when we realize we are a sinner and only Jesus can save us from our sins. Once we understand that, the very next thing is to ask for forgiveness and repent of our sins.  Without this, there is no true salvation, just a head knowledge of what scripture speaks about and you just threw out the right words so you can feel better about yourself and the situation you were in when you did so. 

1 hour ago, JustPassingThru said:

At the same time I knew in my heart I was destined for Hell, ...for the first time in the 37 years of my life the darkness as to "Who" Jesus was to me, ...just a name I frequently used in swearing, ...the Light of the Glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ "shown" Gen 1:3, ... in my mind 2 Cor 4:4, ...and I repented, changed my mind "about" Jesus, ...He could be "my" Savior if I just "believed" in my heart and "confessed" him with my mouth, ...which I did and I became a blood bought, born again child of God.

The next day...

I didn't "repent" of any of my sins, ...but rather I had this "sense" inside of me "not to do that!" 

I didn't "repent" of my sin of pornography, ...I just threw away the Playboys and haven't bought one since.

I didn't "repent" of my swearing, ...and believe me, ...I could of out cussed a muleskinner, ...the "words" were erased from my mind and I didn't even realize it it until some time later one of my workers told me I had stopped cussing.

Your actions were the act of repentance, so, without realizing it, even to today, you did repent.  What does repent mean if not "to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins"? 

1 hour ago, JustPassingThru said:

My motto was, "I don't get even , ...I get ahead!"

Suddenly I had this "urge" inside of me to forgive and actually help those that had hurt, cheated, betrayed, used, profited from me.

To be truthful, I haven't "repented" from anything I have done in the "flesh," ...I just follow the Holy Spirit's teaching and "confess," ...homologeō, ...that is, ...say the same thing God says about my sin, "...Father I agree with You, ...what I did is sin," and the Holy Spirit assures me, He is Faithful and Just to forgive me, ...AND cleanse me, ...the word He used is,   katharizō, which means to purify,

Which means, though my sins be as scarlet, ...I reason, I "agree" with my Father and He katharizō, purifies me, ...and He "sees" my "sin" as white as snow, ...washed by the Blood of the Cross.

 

At the time of your salvation your future sins had not yet been committed, how can you ask for forgiveness and repent from them? 

How old are you, ..more than 2,000 years old?

So you "are" saying Jesus has to go back to the Cross and die again!

So, the onus is on you to provide a verse for us to prove what you are teaching.  Acts 17:11

As I pointed out above, your actions were your repentance, so to say you did not repent is not true.

[OneLight]

5 hours ago, Behold said:

 

@OneLight... I simply asked you  to post a verse or verses that prove that "Jesus leaves the body and Spirit of a Born Again Christian".

 

Instead,  you posted.: 

1. a verse about the Lamb's book of Life that is only talking about Unbelievers.

2. a verse that YOU say teaches  that all born again Christians who do not "bear fruit", = God will send to the Lake of Fire

3. More of your personal theology where you teach that you keep yourself saved by "repentance."

 

You continue to amaze me.  All you do is attack what I say without any more proof than your "listen to me" statements.  Prove to us all that John 15 and Romans 11 are not talking about born again believers that were grafted in and can be cut off again if (John 15:1-8) they do not bear fruit and (Romans 11:19-22) if they do not continue in Christ.  Prove that Jesus, when speaking to His body, are addressing unbelievers in Revelation 2&3.  You can't, so you give a tongue lashing based on your disagreement. 

[Behold]

36 minutes ago, OneLight said:

You continue to amaze me.  All you do is attack what I say without any more proof than your "listen to me" statements.  Prove to us all that John 15 and Romans 11 are not talking about born again believers that were grafted in and can be cut off again if (John 15:1-8) they do not bear fruit and (Romans 11:19-22) if they do not continue in Christ.  Prove that Jesus, when speaking to His body, are addressing unbelievers in Revelation 2&3.  You can't, so you give a tongue lashing based on your disagreement. 

No tongue lashing necessary.

Alive will manifest here at some point and talk to you about John 15.

What i do is just show you that you are trusting in yourself to keep yourself saved, and you then talk mostly about symbolic verses as your response.

So, tell me..... Is there sin "in Christ?......and is every born again person "in Christ"?   Is there a difference?

And can you tell us exactly how you can become "un-born again"?

Is there sin in "righteousness"? as every born again person "is the Righteousness of Christ".  So can sin and Righteousness co-exist?

And can you tell me what Sin that the Blood of Jesus on the Cross, didn't pay for already, 2000 yrs ago, if you are born again in 2020 ?

And can you explain, that as Jesus bore and became the sin of the world, why your sin is not affected ?

And this odd idea that you have that The Blood atonement is only as good as you are.....what makes you believe this @OneLight ????

 

Edited May 17, 2020 by Behold