The Holy Covenant of Daniel 11

[Last Daze]

9 hours ago, douggg said:

no.   The abomination of desolation in Daniel 11:31 is over.    The statue though that Antiochus did prefigures what the end times abomination of desolation to know that it well be a statue image.

In Matthew 24, when Jesus says:

• Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand)  Matthew 24:15

I think we both agree that He is speaking of a future event in that verse.  There's nothing to "see" in the Daniel 12 mention of the AoD.  In that chapter, its mention is only used as a time frame reference point.  What is the future event that Jesus is referring to in this verse that we are supposed to see if it's not the AoD mentioned in Daniel 11?  Do you think the AoD in Daniel 11 happens twice?

[Last Daze]

21 hours ago, Sister said:

And that's where the covenant all leads to, and what it's all about - Christ.  Satan hates that covenant that can make us free of him.  He hates that invitation to life and hates all those who have circumcised their hearts through the exact same faith and obedience Abraham had.   He hates those who love and depend on Jesus. He's lost too many prisoners, and wants us back.  He is sending a flood to make us afraid, and hopes to see us fall.  When he goes against the covenant, he goes against everything that circumcision signified.   He goes against that whole invitation and all that holds truth with it's roots going right back to that covenant made with Abraham and his seed.  It's always been about the circumcision, the change of heart, and it was always about Jesus, the only begotten Son of God sent to set us free.  The only one chosen and ordained for this job to make this covenant possible.

We are few in numbers compared to the devils children, but greater is he that is in us than he that is in the world.  He will conspire with those who forsake the covenant - who hate Christ's name to work together against us.  Men in high places. Secretly they are planning and scheming against us, but God has been plotting for longer to bring them to their end.

Thanks, Sister.  Is it fair to say that you see the Holy Covenant in Daniel 11 as the covenant God made with Abraham and fulfilled by his seed, Jesus (Galatians 3:16)?  And that the man of sin entices people with rewards if they forsake it?

Also, do you see Daniel 11 as all future, all past, or partially both?  If both, where does it change from past to future?

[Revelation Man]

On 5/18/2020 at 11:16 AM, Last Daze said:

I was reading Daniel 11 and came across the phrase "holy covenant" which appeared a few times and is a point of focus.

• Then he will return to his land with much plunder; but his heart will be set against the holy covenant, and he will take action and then return to his own land.  At the appointed time he will return and come into the South, but this last time it will not turn out the way it did before.  For ships of Kittim will come against him; therefore he will be disheartened and will return and become enraged at the holy covenant and take action; so he will come back and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant.  Daniel 11:28-30

The only other reference that I could find concerning the holy covenant was in Luke.

• To show mercy toward our fathers, and to remember His holy covenant, the oath which He swore to Abraham our father.  Luke 1:72-73

My question is, what is the holy covenant, and how would someone forsake it?

This is about Antiochus Epiphanes, a TYPE Anti-Christ. So, he worshiped the false god Zeus in the Temple of God and Sacrificed a pig there.

28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.

Antiochus Epiphanes returned north it seems because of a rumor that he had died. That rumor seemingly caused a war to breakout in Jerusalem. Antiochus Epiphanes returned and plundered the temple of God, killed many people, then journeyed north to Antioch. (his homeland)

29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter. 30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

Antiochus Epiphanes soon returned to Egypt with the intention of conquering Alexandria. The Egyptians however sent a message to Rome asking for help. Three Roman senators were sent by ship to inform Antiochus Epiphanes that he was not to invade Egypt and to demand that he retreat immediately. This of course made him angry and Antiochus seems to have taken it out on the Jewish believers. He killed many of them but allowed the Hellenistic Jews to live as long as they forsook the Holy Covenant !! He was indeed a vile man, seemingly a forerunner to the coming Anti-Christ/Beast in many of his mannerisms. Jason also seems to be a forerunner of the False Prophet. 

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. 32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

Antichus Epiphanes defiled the temple of God, stopped the daily sacrifices and even built a pagan alter unto Zeus and sacrificed pigs on it. This was an Abomination unto God, but its not the Abomination that Jesus and Daniel is speaking about of course. Thus the Temple was desecrated while it was therein, but as we can see, Antiochus Epiphanes served Zeus, thus he can not be the Willful King of verse 36 as many think, because he served no gods. This of course created a schism so to speak amongst the Jewish peoples, which is what Antiochus was good at, divide and conquer tactics. In the end many Jews forsook their God and many refused to do so, but alas, they paid the price with their lives. This of course is a likeness unto the coming end time events in many ways.

Oh, and I failed to copy the next verse from my post/blog which states that thus caused the Maccabean Revolt.  

Edited May 21, 2020 by Revelation Man

[Last Daze]

22 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

This was an Abomination unto God, but its not the Abomination that Jesus and Daniel is speaking about of course.

What is the AoD that Daniel speaks of that Jesus mentions?  I'll ask you the same question I asked douggg:

In Matthew 24, when Jesus says:

• Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand)  Matthew 24:15

I think we both agree that He is speaking of a future event in that verse.  There's nothing to "see" in the Daniel 12 mention of the AoD.  In that chapter, its mention is only used as a time frame reference point.  What is the future event that Jesus is referring to in this verse that we are supposed to see if it's not the AoD mentioned in Daniel 11?  Do you think the AoD in Daniel 11 happens twice?

[douggg]

6 hours ago, Last Daze said:

In Matthew 24, when Jesus says:

• Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand)  Matthew 24:15

I think we both agree that He is speaking of a future event in that verse.  There's nothing to "see" in the Daniel 12 mention of the AoD.  In that chapter, its mention is only used as a time frame reference point.  What is the future event that Jesus is referring to in this verse that we are supposed to see if it's not the AoD mentioned in Daniel 11?  Do you think the AoD in Daniel 11 happens twice?

The AoD that Jesus was referring to will be the image of the beast, in Revelation 13.    A statue.    Lifeless at first.     Then when Satan is cast down to earth, he will incarnate the image and make it appear to come to life.    And everyone will be required to worship the image, which in fact will be worshiping Satan.

Edited May 20, 2020 by douggg

[Last Daze]

2 hours ago, douggg said:

The AoD that Jesus was referring to will be the image of the beast, in Revelation 13.    A statue.    

Is that in Daniel?  Jesus said:

• Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand)  Matthew 24:15

Jesus refers to the AoD spoken of through Daniel.

[douggg]

2 hours ago, Last Daze said:

Is that in Daniel?  Jesus said:

• Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand)  Matthew 24:15

Jesus refers to the AoD spoken of through Daniel.

It is not directly said that the image of the beast is the abomination of desolation.    Nor is it directly said that Satan will incarnate the image.

There are several passages that have to be put together to know that Satan will incarnate the statue image.       Said image will be brought to ashes at Jesus's Return, exposing Satan there on the temple mount, as the armies of the world and indeed all of the heavenly host look on,      All of the people who will have been worshiping the statue image for the second half of the seven years, will be astonished to who they have been worshiping, when Satan is exposed.

During that time, times, half times, that Satan is cast down to earth from the second heaven, he comes down in great wrath, Revelation 12:12.    And during that time, he will be a terror.     But at Jesus's return, Satan will be a terror no more.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?   

 

Ezekiel 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

 

 

 

Edited May 21, 2020 by douggg

[Revelation Man]

6 hours ago, Last Daze said:

What is the AoD that Daniel speaks of that Jesus mentions?  I'll ask you the same question I asked douggg:

In Matthew 24, when Jesus says:

• Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand)  Matthew 24:15

I think we both agree that He is speaking of a future event in that verse.  There's nothing to "see" in the Daniel 12 mention of the AoD.  In that chapter, its mention is only used as a time frame reference point.  What is the future event that Jesus is referring to in this verse that we are supposed to see if it's not the AoD mentioned in Daniel 11?  Do you think the AoD in Daniel 11 happens twice?

It will be an Image of the E.U. President, placed there by the Jewish High Priest {False Prophet whose TYPE was Jason. who Antiochus appointed High Priest, after he bribed him, thus having Jason's brother, a Pious High Priest named Onias II killed}

Everything via Antiochus Epiphanies is DUPLICATED under the coming Anti-Christ. He will be a Greek, he will Conquer Israel and Egypt {See Dan. 11:40-43} along with much of the Mediterranean Sea Region. He will appoint a Jewish High Priest, who tries to get the Jews to forsake their God. Jason {real name Yeshua} tried to Hellenize the Jews in 150ish B.C. The coming False Prophet will likewise try to get the Jews and all the world to worship this MAN, the Beast as god. They will kill Saints {SAME} and this time Jesus will defeat them both without hands. 

The reason Daniel was never given the "False Prophet" angle OPENLY but was told that he will TAKE AWAY THE SACRIFICE {Daniel 12:11} and set up the AoD is because if God had foretold of a COMING High Priest Traitor/False Prophet, the Jews from Daniels time to 70 AD would have killed every other High Priest out of FEAR, just like King Herod tried to kill Baby Jesus. So Daniel was only given VAGUE REFERENCES, via the 1290, this is why the 1290 UNDERSTANDING is so key to ALL Eschatology. Once I got that the 1290 was 1290 days from the Second Coming, and thus the 1260 Conquering had to happen 30 days after this event, I was like EUREKA, the 1290 can not be the Anti-Christ, it has to be the False Prophet/2nd Beast that places the AoD in the Temple, therefore the Jews who have REPENTED by this time have a 30 window to get out of Jerusalem, to Flee to the Petra/Bozrah area.

Say 1/3 of all Jews accept Jesus Christ and start Worshiping Jesus {THE SACRIFICE} in the Temple, that is going to incense the Jewish High Priest at that time. Hes going to DO BOTH at one time..........STOP, the Sacrifice (worshiping of Jesus} and PLACE the AoD image of this E.U. President in the holy of holies to mock their worshiping of what he sees as a MERE MAN. This is the sign to Flee Judea. 

Since the Jews have already repented, I understood the 1335 Blessing had to be the Two-witnesses.

Antiochus and Jason, who can be seen in the book of the Maccabeans,  is the TYPE of the coming DUO. 

[Sister]

On 5/20/2020 at 11:47 PM, Last Daze said:

Thanks, Sister.  Is it fair to say that you see the Holy Covenant in Daniel 11 as the covenant God made with Abraham and fulfilled by his seed, Jesus (Galatians 3:16)? 

 

Hi Last Daze

Yes I do.  That covenant was all about the faith.  Abraham trusted God whilst he was "uncircumsized".  Abraham had great faith, but he was not without sin.  No one is, or ever has been without sin (except Jesus).  Same today.  We come to God dirty and full of sin.  He tells us to accept his Son.  We trust God that he speaks truth and knows what he's doing.  It's an act of faith and a truth that not everyone can accept.  We accept his Son whilst uncircumcised, not in the flesh but of the heart.  That circumcision of the heart will be a process now.  Christ whom God gave to the world gives us the tools and shows us the way to the Father.  Now we must learn to adopt his spirit and follow all his commandments.  All is a journey and takes time.  Time to learn the Word.  Time to exercise self control.  Time to tell the difference between good and evil and time to learn humility.  At the end, Christ will discern who has circumcised their heart and who hasn't and this is the washing of our robes during our journey.  Removing those stains, one by one.  Ready to be presented all crisp and clean, without the foul smell of hypocrisy.  Obeying the Word of God..

There is no God without Christ.  No other way.  Satan is threatened by this covenant, so he is planning to rid the earth of us.  He doesn't like us to wash our robes.  To many captives going free.  He is seeking revenge.  I know you know all this.

 

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And that the man of sin entices people with rewards if they forsake it?

Yeah I guess. He is trying to make his kingdom stronger, but he's a liar and he won't deliver once he's got to the top.  He will take all for himself.

 

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Also, do you see Daniel 11 as all future, all past, or partially both?  If both, where does it change from past to future?

The agenda of the New World Order with the Son of Perdition being put in charge has been going on for such a long time.  I think going right back to Babel, but God has always thwarted Satan's plans.  The Son of Perdition may of not emerged to the world at the moment, but he has shown himself to the 10 kings and busy putting things in place ready for his arrival. 

He is working now behind the scenes from Daniel 11:28.  This is in our time and has already started.

 Daniel 11:28   Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.

 

In order to do exploits, he has to bring some big names down and powerful nations.  He will weaken his biggest threats. 

 

Daniel 11:30   For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
 

I see Chittim as Babylon.  The system of trade & commerce.  Somehow he will be disadvantaged.  Full of fury, he schemes to bring this system down, which is happening today.  He's having indignation against the holy covenant, because he has a problem with GOD.   God is holding him back for now, frustrating him.  Full power is not given to him yet.

 

Daniel 11:31   And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

In my opinion all has been fulfilled already except for the abomination that makes desolate.  The daily sacrifice is not the sacrificing of animals, but the sacrifices we make of the heart.  There is a separation happening now between the luke-warm and the loyal.

Daniel 11:32   And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

All has started and is a work in progress.  He will emerged here on this verse, when we hear him speak;

 Daniel 11:36   And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
 

I always thought all the above verses were future, but now am starting to see it differently.

[Justin Adams]

2 hours ago, Sister said:

I always thought all the above verses were future, but now am starting to see it differently.

Maybe read this. See if some of the Eschaton is already complete. Leviticus has some interesting ideas. I cannot quote a part, just the whole thing but it is well worth thinking about.

Transcript-84-Leviticus-26-27.pdf