divorce and remarriage cancer worse than corona

[Gideon]

30 minutes ago, Exegesis said:

Sadly, yes, that is what he is saying.  People like him would have people stay with a person they married to no matter how bad it is.  It wouldn't matter if they were being verbally, sexually, or physically abused.  It wouldn't matter if they had been abandoned by the other person.  They got married, it turned out to be a mistake, and now God has condemned them to live their life alone, for the rest of what is left. And what he is also teaching, even though he isn't saying it bluntly is this:

That if a person divorces, or remarries, their sin is unforgivable.

 

In fairness, let me present the "other side" of the coin, lol. 
 

Should it bother us that divorce in the church is almost exactly the same percentage as those in the world?  Absolutely! Does it? Hmmmmm, I think not. We simply do not have ears to hear the answer, or, perhaps we have ears and simply don't like God's answer, so we would rather ignore it, claim grace anyway and think nothing of it.

The current state of the church, mirrored by our divorce rate, is shouting to the world that having the love of God shed abroad in our hearts by the indwelling Holy Spirit is not exactly working out as God planned it. They see us as shallow hypocrites. 

How can we say we love God whom we have not seen if we cannot love our brothers whom we have seen. And should marriages between saints be the crowning glory displaying that love?  

Do we love others as we love ourselves? Do we even want to?  and if the answer is no, do we desire to be changed in our inner man so that God's love flows through us? 

The red flags are being raised that something is wrong with our understanding of the gospel. We believe sanctification is time-related,  but are we truly progressing to being changed into His image with more and more spiritual fruits abounding in our lives? 

Is sin becoming more and more sinful to us? Are we overcoming it more and more? Or have we  become content to simply be saved by grace but not delievered from the power of darkness by that same grace? 

Are we not fulfilling the very same sin as the laodecians, content to be forgiven but totally lukewarm to seeking God's face for more of Him so that our actions, marriage included, point those in the world to Jesus? Are we not, in essence, saying that because we have grace for forgiveness, for salvation, somehow we now have need of nothing? 

I pray we wake up to the lateness of the hour and the Spirit's calling us to come up higher, to hate our self life so He can finally live through us. to hate our worldliness and compromise, and to seek for a deeper indwelling of the Spirit that actually causes us to live, to act, to think differently.

blessings, 

Gideon

Edited July 9, 2020 by Gideon

[SisterWells]

1 hour ago, vic66 said:

Ezra 10 King James Version (KJV)

10 Now when Ezra had prayed, and when he had confessed, weeping and casting himself down before the house of God, there assembled unto him out of Israel a very great congregation of men and women and children: for the people wept very sore.

² And Shechaniah the son of Jehiel, one of the sons of Elam, answered and said unto Ezra, We have trespassed against our God, and have taken strange wives of the people of the land: yet now there is hope in Israel concerning this thing.

³ Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them, according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law.

⁴ Arise; for this matter belongeth unto thee: we also will be with thee: be of good courage, and do it.

⁵ Then arose Ezra, and made the chief priests, the Levites, and all Israel, to swear that they should do according to this word. And they sware.

⁶ Then Ezra rose up from before the house of God, and went into the chamber of Johanan the son of Eliashib: and when he came thither, he did eat no bread, nor drink water: for he mourned because of the transgression of them that had been carried away.

⁷ And they made proclamation throughout Judah and Jerusalem unto all the children of the captivity, that they should gather themselves together unto Jerusalem;

⁸ And that whosoever would not come within three days, according to the counsel of the princes and the elders, all his substance should be forfeited, and himself separated from the congregation of those that had been carried away.

⁹ Then all the men of Judah and Benjamin gathered themselves together unto Jerusalem within three days. It was the ninth month, on the twentieth day of the month; and all the people sat in the street of the house of God, trembling because of this matter, and for the great rain.

¹⁰ And Ezra the priest stood up, and said unto them, Ye have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of Israel.

¹¹ Now therefore make confession unto the Lord God of your fathers, and do his pleasure: and separate yourselves from the people of the land, and from the strange wives.

¹² Then all the congregation answered and said with a loud voice, As thou hast said, so must we do.

¹³ But the people are many, and it is a time of much rain, and we are not able to stand without, neither is this a work of one day or two: for we are many that have transgressed in this thing.

¹⁴ Let now our rulers of all the congregation stand, and let all them which have taken strange wives in our cities come at appointed times, and with them the elders of every city, and the judges thereof, until the fierce wrath of our God for this matter be turned from us.

¹⁵ Only Jonathan the son of Asahel and Jahaziah the son of Tikvah were employed about this matter: and Meshullam and Shabbethai the Levite helped them.

¹⁶ And the children of the captivity did so. And Ezra the priest, with certain chief of the fathers, after the house of their fathers, and all of them by their names, were separated, and sat down in the first day of the tenth month to examine the matter.

¹⁷ And they made an end with all the men that had taken strange wives by the first day of the first month.

¹⁸ And among the sons of the priests there were found that had taken strange wives: namely, of the sons of Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren; Maaseiah, and Eliezer, and Jarib, and Gedaliah.

¹⁹ And they gave their hands that they would put away their wives; and being guilty, they offered a ram of the flock for their trespass.

²⁰ And of the sons of Immer; Hanani, and Zebadiah.

²¹ And of the sons of Harim; Maaseiah, and Elijah, and Shemaiah, and Jehiel, and Uzziah.

²² And of the sons of Pashur; Elioenai, Maaseiah, Ishmael, Nethaneel, Jozabad, and Elasah.

²³ Also of the Levites; Jozabad, and Shimei, and Kelaiah, (the same is Kelita,) Pethahiah, Judah, and Eliezer.

²⁴ Of the singers also; Eliashib: and of the porters; Shallum, and Telem, and Uri.

²⁵ Moreover of Israel: of the sons of Parosh; Ramiah, and Jeziah, and Malchiah, and Miamin, and Eleazar, and Malchijah, and Benaiah.

²⁶ And of the sons of Elam; Mattaniah, Zechariah, and Jehiel, and Abdi, and Jeremoth, and Eliah.

²⁷ And of the sons of Zattu; Elioenai, Eliashib, Mattaniah, and Jeremoth, and Zabad, and Aziza.

²⁸ Of the sons also of Bebai; Jehohanan, Hananiah, Zabbai, and Athlai.

²⁹ And of the sons of Bani; Meshullam, Malluch, and Adaiah, Jashub, and Sheal, and Ramoth.

³⁰ And of the sons of Pahathmoab; Adna, and Chelal, Benaiah, Maaseiah, Mattaniah, Bezaleel, and Binnui, and Manasseh.

³¹ And of the sons of Harim; Eliezer, Ishijah, Malchiah, Shemaiah, Shimeon,

³² Benjamin, Malluch, and Shemariah.

³³ Of the sons of Hashum; Mattenai, Mattathah, Zabad, Eliphelet, Jeremai, Manasseh, and Shimei.

³⁴ Of the sons of Bani; Maadai, Amram, and Uel,

³⁵ Benaiah, Bedeiah, Chelluh,

³⁶ Vaniah, Meremoth, Eliashib,

³⁷ Mattaniah, Mattenai, and Jaasau,

³⁸ And Bani, and Binnui, Shimei,

³⁹ And Shelemiah, and Nathan, and Adaiah,

⁴⁰ Machnadebai, Shashai, Sharai,

⁴¹ Azareel, and Shelemiah, Shemariah,

⁴² Shallum, Amariah, and Joseph.

⁴³ Of the sons of Nebo; Jeiel, Mattithiah, Zabad, Zebina, Jadau, and Joel, Benaiah.

⁴⁴ All these had taken strange wives: and some of them had wives by whom they had children.

I realize that I'm getting into a contentious debate that is now beyond heated and it may actually be a bad idea but...  in Ezra 10:15 it says that Jonathan, Jahaziah, Meshullam, and Shabbethai stood up against the idea. Any thoughts on those 4 men?

[SisterWells]

Meshullam and Shabbethai were both highly regarded. 2Ch34:12, Neh8:7, Neh11:16

[SisterWells]

Ezra 10:1 Now when Ezra had prayed, and when he had confessed, weeping and casting himself down before the house of God, there assembled unto him out of Israel a very great congregation of men and women and children: for the people wept very sore. Malachi 2:13-16

[David1701]

1 hour ago, vic66 said:

not if you don't continuously do it 

Yes, you are.  The Bible says that you need to repay what you stole (in fact, more than you stole).  You cannot claim to have repented, if you are not willing to put it right.

[SisterWells]

On 7/4/2020 at 4:22 PM, vic66 said:

 

Now God started me on a quest for the truth. I went to my knees, searched the Scriptures, and hardly ate or slept while God taught me. The truth is, according to Malachi 2:13 through 16, God says He won’t accept their offerings anymore. Why? - Because they have dealt treacherously with the wife of their youth who is the wife of their covenant. God says HE HATES divorce and they have wearied Him by saying everyone who does evil is good in His sight and He delighted in them. If we are to love God with all our heart, soul, strength and mind, why would we want to do something He hates?

I have always believed the plain words were the main words. If Scripture is not plain it leaves room for man to manipulate the Word, and manipulate they have.

Who is Malachi rebuking? Mal 2:7-10

For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he [is] the messenger of the LORD of hosts.  But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.  Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.  Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us

 

[BeauJangles]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

Yes, you are.  The Bible says that you need to repay what you stole (in fact, more than you stole).  You cannot claim to have repented, if you are not willing to put it right.

Yes, but it's still Mosaic Law. Not grace. We can choose to adhere to the stringencies if we want to, but are not bound to it any further. Gentiles never followed the Law. Ever. Not unless they converted. Sammy Davis Jr. did, but look at what a mess he still remained. So did Little Richard. He continued struggling with issues of homosexuality. 

Matthew 5:17 KJV ¹⁷Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Edited July 9, 2020 by BeauJangles

[vic66]

22 hours ago, David1701 said:

Yes, you are.  The Bible says that you need to repay what you stole (in fact, more than you stole).  You cannot claim to have repented, if you are not willing to put it right.

this thread in about divorce and remarriage and a person continuing it the state of adultery will pervent them getting to heaven

one off taxes incorrect payment can be corrected (by making restitution if possible)  

continuous state of unrepentant adultery far more serious and dangerous before God.

Edited July 10, 2020 by vic66

[vic66]

On 7/9/2020 at 8:56 PM, Justin Adams said:

I will chime in here for one simple statement. Redemption! Yeshua paid the bills. We are off the hook. The past has gone and it is forgotten. So it is with your subject. To rake it all up and make folk feel guilty is NOT the way of the Lord who forgives AND forgets. We all make errors. They should not be a millstone around our necks for the rest of our lives. But the adversaries, and haters of our souls, all want us in perpetual torment over stuff God has forgotten. So give it a rest please! Move on!

admit it and quit it

Jesus told the woman caught in the very act of adultery, ''go your way and sin no more''

he didn't justify her sin or excuse it. 

if we continue in the Sin of adultery we have proven by our evil works that we have no Godly sorrow and we haven't truly repented. when we truly repent we will stop sinning.(stop the practice rebellion against Christ, by sleep with another man or woman when your first spouse is still alive.)

Edited July 11, 2020 by vic66

[vic66]

On 7/9/2020 at 8:56 PM, Justin Adams said:

I will chime in here for one simple statement. Redemption! Yeshua paid the bills. We are off the hook. The past has gone and it is forgotten. So it is with your subject. To rake it all up and make folk feel guilty is NOT the way of the Lord who forgives AND forgets. We all make errors. They should not be a millstone around our necks for the rest of our lives. But the adversaries, and haters of our souls, all want us in perpetual torment over stuff God has forgotten. So give it a rest please! Move on!

romans6 

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

² God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

1john3:4-10

4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

God doesn't approve of second marriage while my first married spouse is still living.

 

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by vic66