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4 minutes ago, steve morrow said:

PREACH  THE  TRINITY ??

TITUS 1:1 paul a servant of  GOD  and an apostle of  JESUSU  CHRIST  according to the faith of  GODS  elect and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness  --1:2-- in hope of eternal life which  GOD  --WHO  CANNOT  LIE-- promised before the world began 

 

2 JOHN 1:9  --WHOSOEVER-- transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of  CHRIST  hath  not  GOD  he that abideth in the doctrine of  CHRIST  he hath   --BOTH  THE  FATHER  AND  THE  SON--  1:10--  if there come any unto you and bring not this doctrine receive him not into your house neither bid him  GOD  speed

 

1 CORINTHIANS 11:3  but I would have you know that the head of --EVERY  MAN  IS  CHRIST-- and the head of the woman is man and the head  --OF  CHRIST  IS  GOD  

 

1 JOHN 5:8  and there are three that bear witness in earth --the spirit--and the water--and the blood--and these three agree in one

THE  SPIRIT :  JOHN 6:63  it is the spirit that quickeneth the flesh profiteth nothing the words that I speak unto you --THEY  ARE  SPIRIT-- and they are life 

THE  WATER : EPHESIANS 5:25  husbands love your wives even as  CHRIST  also loved the church and gave himself for it  --5:26-- that  HE  might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of ---WATER  BY  THE  WORD--

THE  BLOOD : and to  JESUS  the mediator of the new covenant and to the blood that speaketh better things than that of abel

 

GENESIS 1:2  and the earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the spirit of  GOD  moved upon the face of the waters 

PSALM 29:3  the voice of  THE  LORD  is upon the waters the  GOD  of glory thundereth  THE  LORD  is upon many waters 

 

PSALM 19:1 the heavens declare the glory of  GOD  and the firmament showeth  HIS  handywork  --19:2-- day unto day uttereth speech and night unto night showeth knowledge   ******* --19:3-- there is no speech nor language where there voice is not heard *******

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST 

Jesus is The Son of God, One with the Father and Holy Spirit: 

Matthew 28:19 ESV / 313 helpful votes    

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

John 10:30 ESV / 227 helpful votes

I and the Father are one.”

2 Corinthians 13:14 ESV / 204 helpful votes    

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

Matthew 3:16-17 ESV / 143 helpful votes    

And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

1 Peter 1:2 ESV / 125 helpful votes

According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.

1 Corinthians 8:6 ESV / 116 helpful votes    

Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

John 14:26 ESV / 103 helpful votes

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

Genesis 1:26 ESV / 92 helpful votes

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

John 14:16-17 ESV / 89 helpful votes    

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.

John 1:14 ESV / 79 helpful votes

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 1:1-51 ESV / 77 helpful votes

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. ...

1 John 5:7-8 ESV / 67 helpful votes

For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.

Colossians 2:9 ESV / 67 helpful votes    

For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,

John 15:26 ESV / 67 helpful votes

“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

Ephesians 4:4-6 ESV / 53 helpful votes    

There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

Isaiah 9:6 ESV / 50 helpful votes

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

John 1:1 ESV / 46 helpful votes

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Acts 5:3-4 ESV / 42 helpful votes

But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”

Philippians 2:5-8 ESV / 41 helpful votes    

Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Colossians 1:15-17 ESV / 37 helpful votes    

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

John 10:30-36 ESV / 37 helpful votes    

I and the Father are one.” The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.” Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? ...

Luke 3:21-22 ESV / 32 helpful votes

Now when all the people were baptized, and when Jesus also had been baptized and was praying, the heavens were opened, and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”

Genesis 3:22 ESV / 31 helpful votes

Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—”

Deuteronomy 6:4 ESV / 30 helpful votes    

“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

1 John 5:7 ESV / 29 helpful votes

For there are three that testify:

Luke 1:35 ESV / 29 helpful votes

And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.

Isaiah 44:6 ESV / 28 helpful votes

Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.

John 14:16 ESV / 27 helpful votes

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,

Isaiah 48:16 ESV / 27 helpful votes

Draw near to me, hear this: from the beginning I have not spoken in secret, from the time it came to be I have been there.” And now the Lord God has sent me, and his Spirit.

Genesis 1:1 ESV / 27 helpful votes

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Corinthians 3:17 ESV / 26 helpful votes    

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

1 Corinthians 2:10-11 ESV / 26 helpful votes    

These things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

John 3:16 ESV / 25 helpful votes

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 1:3 ESV / 25 helpful votes

All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Genesis 1:2 ESV / 25 helpful votes

The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 ESV / 24 helpful votes    

And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

1 Corinthians 12:4-6 ESV / 24 helpful votes    

Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone.

Genesis 11:7 ESV / 24 helpful votes

Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech.”

Revelation 22:13 ESV / 23 helpful votes    

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

Hebrews 9:14 ESV / 22 helpful votes    

How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

Galatians 4:6 ESV / 22 helpful votes

And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”

Jude 1:20-21 ESV / 21 helpful votes

But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life.

Matthew 1:23 ESV / 21 helpful votes    

“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us).

1 Timothy 2:5 ESV / 20 helpful votes    

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Titus 2:13 ESV / 19 helpful votes

Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

John 20:17 ESV / 19 helpful votes

Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

Isaiah 6:8 ESV / 19 helpful votes

And I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?” Then I said, “Here am I! Send me.”

John 14:10 ESV / 18 helpful votes

Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.

John 14:9-11 ESV: 

Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.

John 8:58 ESV: 

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

Matthew 3:13-17 ESV:

Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him. John would have prevented him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented. And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

Hebrews 1:8 ESV: 

But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

Romans 15:30 ESV / 17 helpful votes    

I appeal to you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God on my behalf,

Romans 8:11 ESV / 17 helpful votes

If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

John 20:28 ESV / 17 helpful votes

Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 14:28 ESV / 17 helpful votes

You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Luke 22:42 ESV / 17 helpful votes

Saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”

Matthew 3:17 ESV / 17 helpful votes    

And behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

Isaiah 46:9 ESV / 17 helpful votes

Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me,

Isaiah 43:10 ESV / 17 helpful votes

“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.

Colossians 1:16 ESV / 16 helpful votes    

For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

Acts 10:38 ESV / 16 helpful votes

How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.

Micah 5:2 ESV / 16 helpful votes

But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose coming forth is from of old, from ancient days.

Revelation 1:8 ESV / 15 helpful votes    

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Yes faith in Christ saves (Romans 10:9-10, John 3:16), He is the only way to The Father  (John 15:6), and yet He is One with the Father (John 10:30) and with The Holy Spirit (John 20:21-22). 

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3 minutes ago, Fidei Defensor said:

Do you agree with Filioque addition? I am asking out of curiosity.  

There is such a hang up on the term begat.   The Hebrew "Begat" has 2 different meanings.   The first and obvious is the offspring of a human male/female.  The second is for a purpose.   And even if we use "Begat," since that is the Hebrew term, we know with God that even if something is internal before becoming external it is still in existence.   So if God "Begat" within Himself the WORD, the WORD has always existed, it was just internal.

 

To answer your question, I think there is too much emphasis on the issue of how the WORD became Christ, when the WORD has always existed.   I see that when it was just God, the WORD, the Wisdom (Spirit) in the Tanakh, it should not change to suddenly think God had a Son.   He is still the WORD that has always existed and is the factual Creator of ALL things.   Therefore, in reality, He was never the Son.  He is only the Son for the "begat" meaning Purpose, because He fulfilled the Purpose for our Salvation.   But make no mistake about it, He is still the WORD in Heaven!

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12 minutes ago, Fidei Defensor said:

Jesus is The Son of God, One with the Father and Holy Spirit: 

Matthew 28:19 ESV / 313 helpful votes    

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

John 10:30 ESV / 227 helpful votes

I and the Father are one.”

2 Corinthians 13:14 ESV / 204 helpful votes    

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

Matthew 3:16-17 ESV / 143 helpful votes    

And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

1 Peter 1:2 ESV / 125 helpful votes

According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.

1 Corinthians 8:6 ESV / 116 helpful votes    

Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

John 14:26 ESV / 103 helpful votes

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

Genesis 1:26 ESV / 92 helpful votes

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

John 14:16-17 ESV / 89 helpful votes    

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.

John 1:14 ESV / 79 helpful votes

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 1:1-51 ESV / 77 helpful votes

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. ...

1 John 5:7-8 ESV / 67 helpful votes

For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.

Colossians 2:9 ESV / 67 helpful votes    

For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,

John 15:26 ESV / 67 helpful votes

“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

Ephesians 4:4-6 ESV / 53 helpful votes    

There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

Isaiah 9:6 ESV / 50 helpful votes

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

John 1:1 ESV / 46 helpful votes

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Acts 5:3-4 ESV / 42 helpful votes

But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”

Philippians 2:5-8 ESV / 41 helpful votes    

Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Colossians 1:15-17 ESV / 37 helpful votes    

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

John 10:30-36 ESV / 37 helpful votes    

I and the Father are one.” The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.” Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? ...

Luke 3:21-22 ESV / 32 helpful votes

Now when all the people were baptized, and when Jesus also had been baptized and was praying, the heavens were opened, and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”

Genesis 3:22 ESV / 31 helpful votes

Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—”

Deuteronomy 6:4 ESV / 30 helpful votes    

“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

1 John 5:7 ESV / 29 helpful votes

For there are three that testify:

Luke 1:35 ESV / 29 helpful votes

And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.

Isaiah 44:6 ESV / 28 helpful votes

Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.

John 14:16 ESV / 27 helpful votes

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,

Isaiah 48:16 ESV / 27 helpful votes

Draw near to me, hear this: from the beginning I have not spoken in secret, from the time it came to be I have been there.” And now the Lord God has sent me, and his Spirit.

Genesis 1:1 ESV / 27 helpful votes

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Corinthians 3:17 ESV / 26 helpful votes    

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

1 Corinthians 2:10-11 ESV / 26 helpful votes    

These things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

John 3:16 ESV / 25 helpful votes

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 1:3 ESV / 25 helpful votes

All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Genesis 1:2 ESV / 25 helpful votes

The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 ESV / 24 helpful votes    

And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

1 Corinthians 12:4-6 ESV / 24 helpful votes    

Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone.

Genesis 11:7 ESV / 24 helpful votes

Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech.”

Revelation 22:13 ESV / 23 helpful votes    

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

Hebrews 9:14 ESV / 22 helpful votes    

How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

Galatians 4:6 ESV / 22 helpful votes

And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”

Jude 1:20-21 ESV / 21 helpful votes

But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life.

Matthew 1:23 ESV / 21 helpful votes    

“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us).

1 Timothy 2:5 ESV / 20 helpful votes    

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Titus 2:13 ESV / 19 helpful votes

Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

John 20:17 ESV / 19 helpful votes

Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

Isaiah 6:8 ESV / 19 helpful votes

And I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?” Then I said, “Here am I! Send me.”

John 14:10 ESV / 18 helpful votes

Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.

John 14:9-11 ESV: 

Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.

John 8:58 ESV: 

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

Matthew 3:13-17 ESV:

Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him. John would have prevented him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented. And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

Hebrews 1:8 ESV: 

But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

Romans 15:30 ESV / 17 helpful votes    

I appeal to you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God on my behalf,

Romans 8:11 ESV / 17 helpful votes

If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

John 20:28 ESV / 17 helpful votes

Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 14:28 ESV / 17 helpful votes

You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Luke 22:42 ESV / 17 helpful votes

Saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”

Matthew 3:17 ESV / 17 helpful votes    

And behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

Isaiah 46:9 ESV / 17 helpful votes

Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me,

Isaiah 43:10 ESV / 17 helpful votes

“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.

Colossians 1:16 ESV / 16 helpful votes    

For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

Acts 10:38 ESV / 16 helpful votes

How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.

Micah 5:2 ESV / 16 helpful votes

But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose coming forth is from of old, from ancient days.

Revelation 1:8 ESV / 15 helpful votes    

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Yes faith in Christ saves (Romans 10:9-10, John 3:16), He is the only way to The Father  (John 15:6), and yet He is One with the Father (John 10:30) and with The Holy Spirit (John 20:21-22). 

You are not sure...

[Your closest friendnt]

37 minutes ago, steve morrow said:

PREACH  THE  TRINITY ??

TITUS 1:1 paul a servant of  GOD  and an apostle of  JESUSU  CHRIST  according to the faith of  GODS  elect and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness  --1:2-- in hope of eternal life which  GOD  --WHO  CANNOT  LIE-- promised before the world began 

 

2 JOHN 1:9  --WHOSOEVER-- transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of  CHRIST  hath  not  GOD  he that abideth in the doctrine of  CHRIST  he hath   --BOTH  THE  FATHER  AND  THE  SON--  1:10--  if there come any unto you and bring not this doctrine receive him not into your house neither bid him  GOD  speed

 

1 CORINTHIANS 11:3  but I would have you know that the head of --EVERY  MAN  IS  CHRIST-- and the head of the woman is man and the head  --OF  CHRIST  IS  GOD  

 

1 JOHN 5:8  and there are three that bear witness in earth --the spirit--and the water--and the blood--and these three agree in one

THE  SPIRIT :  JOHN 6:63  it is the spirit that quickeneth the flesh profiteth nothing the words that I speak unto you --THEY  ARE  SPIRIT-- and they are life 

THE  WATER : EPHESIANS 5:25  husbands love your wives even as  CHRIST  also loved the church and gave himself for it  --5:26-- that  HE  might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of ---WATER  BY  THE  WORD--

THE  BLOOD : and to  JESUS  the mediator of the new covenant and to the blood that speaketh better things than that of abel

 

GENESIS 1:2  and the earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the spirit of  GOD  moved upon the face of the waters 

PSALM 29:3  the voice of  THE  LORD  is upon the waters the  GOD  of glory thundereth  THE  LORD  is upon many waters 

 

PSALM 19:1 the heavens declare the glory of  GOD  and the firmament showeth  HIS  handywork  --19:2-- day unto day uttereth speech and night unto night showeth knowledge   ******* --19:3-- there is no speech nor language where there voice is not heard *******

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST 

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST ...

Thank you for posting those words...this also comes with...and loving those who believe in him...

God bless 

[Fidei Defensor]

28 minutes ago, theElect777 said:

There is such a hang up on the term begat.   The Hebrew "Begat" has 2 different meanings.   The first and obvious is the offspring of a human male/female.  The second is for a purpose.   And even if we use "Begat," since that is the Hebrew term, we know with God that even if something is internal before becoming external it is still in existence.   So if God "Begat" within Himself the WORD, the WORD has always existed, it was just internal.

 

To answer your question, I think there is too much emphasis on the issue of how the WORD became Christ, when the WORD has always existed.   I see that when it was just God, the WORD, the Wisdom (Spirit) in the Tanakh, it should not change to suddenly think God had a Son.   He is still the WORD that has always existed and is the factual Creator of ALL things.   Therefore, in reality, He was never the Son.  He is only the Son for the "begat" meaning Purpose, because He fulfilled the Purpose for our Salvation.   But make no mistake about it, He is still the WORD in Heaven!

The word begat or begotten has changed. It use to mean, “to come forth from, sent,” but has now been used to mean beget or birth. That is probably why the Nicene Creed says, “begotten, not made, having once substance with the Father.” 

When you say the Son was internal what so you mean? 

Do you not see the Son at work Pre-Incarnate in Creation (Genesis 1:1-27), Him in fires with Meshiach, Shadrach and Abendego “Astonished, King Nebuchadnezzar stood up in terror, and asked his advisors, “Didn’t we throw three men into the fire, bound firmly with ropes?”In reply they told the king, “Yes, your majesty.” “Look!” he told them, “I see four men walking untied and unharmed in the middle of the fire, and the appearance of the fourth resembles a divine being./ son of god(s)” (Daniel 3:24-25), or when He judged Lucifer?, “Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 12 “Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 You were in Eden, the garden of God.” (Ezekiel 28:11-13). Jesus refers to Himself as Son of Man many times, “But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—he said to the man who was paralyzed—“I say to you, rise, pick up your bed and go home,” (Luke 5:24) and “And he said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.” (Luke 9:22) 

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[Guest theElect777]

13 minutes ago, Fidei Defensor said:

The word begat or begotten has changed. It use to mean, “to come forth from, sent,” but has now been used to mean beget or birth. That is probably why the Nicene Creed says, “begotten, not made, having once substance with the Father.” 

When you say the Son was internal what so you mean? 

Do you not see the Son at work Pre-Incarnate in Creation (Genesis 1:1-27), Him in fires with Meshiach, Shadrach and Abendego “Astonished, King Nebuchadnezzar stood up in terror, and asked his advisors, “Didn’t we throw three men into the fire, bound firmly with ropes?”In reply they told the king, “Yes, your majesty.” “Look!” he told them, “I see four men walking untied and unharmed in the middle of the fire, and the appearance of the fourth resembles a divine being./ son of god(s)” (Daniel 3:24-25), or when He judged Lucifer?, “Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 12 “Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 You were in Eden, the garden of God.” (Ezekiel 28:11-13). Jesus refers to Himself as Son of Man many times, “But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—he said to the man who was paralyzed—“I say to you, rise, pick up your bed and go home,” (Luke 5:24) and “And he said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.” (Luke 9:22) 

John 1:1 says in the Beginning was the WORD...   Then verses later we see the WORD was made /manifested into flesh.   So the WORD is God from day 1.   There is no one before Him.   But several Church Fathers explain that God "Begat/Omitted" the WORD.   This tells me they believe the WORD was internal before being external.   But how they explain it is God removed a part of Himself, which was the WORD already in existence inside God, and from that He (the WORD) was begat.   But this form of Begat is not from 2 humans having a child.   This is God as a WHOLE, the ONE GOD, bringing forth the WORD for the ONE GOD's purpose   It's really interesting how from the Disciples, to the Apostles, to the Church Fathers we get this explanation of what the process of "Begat/Omitting" means from their view.

Edited July 20, 2020 by theElect777

[Fidei Defensor]

24 minutes ago, theElect777 said:

John 1:1 says in the Beginning was the WORD...   Then verses later we see the WORD was made /manifested into flesh.   So the WORD is God from day 1.   There is no one before Him.   But several Church Fathers explain that God "Begat/Omitted" the WORD.   This tells me they believe the WORD was internal before being external.   But how they explain it is God removed a part of Himself, which was the WORD already in existence inside God, and from that He (the WORD) was begat.   But this form of Begat is not from 2 humans having a child.   This is God as a WHOLE, the ONE GOD, bringing forth the WORD for the ONE GOD's purpose   It's really interesting how from the Disciples, to the Apostles, to the Church Fathers we get this explanation of what the process of "Begat/Omitting" means from their view.

I read and believe that Jesus did not come out of the Father (created or as if the Son somehow split off from Father during an osmosis) but always existed with the Father and Spirit, as the Person of the Son; Co-Existed and Co-Equal with the Father: 

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (John 1:1-5, 14) This makes it clear Jesus was alwayz with the Father and Holy Spirit. 

The Son (Jesus) has always Co-Existed and Co-Equal with the Father. The Begot or Begotten is that God the Father sent God the Son to earth, to be born of the Virgin Mary: 

“And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he created the universe. 3 The Son radiates God’s own glory and expresses the very character of God, and he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command. When he had cleansed us from our sins, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God in heaven. 4 This shows that the Son is far greater than the angels, just as the name God gave him is greater than their names.
5 For God never said to any angel what he said to Jesus:

“You are my Son.
    Today I have become your Father.”
God also said,

“I will be his Father,
    and he will be my Son.”
6 And when he brought his supreme Son into the world, God said,

“Let all of God’s angels worship him.”
7 Regarding the angels, he says,

“He sends his angels like the winds,
    his servants like flames of fire.”
8 But to the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever.
    You rule with a scepter of justice.
9 You love justice and hate evil.
    Therefore, O God, your God has anointed you,
    pouring out the oil of joy on you more than on anyone else.”
10 He also says to the Son,

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundation of the earth
    and made the heavens with your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain forever.
    They will wear out like old clothing.
12 You will fold them up like a cloak
    and discard them like old clothing.
But you are always the same;
    you will live forever.”
13 And God never said to any of the angels,

“Sit in the place of honor at my right hand
    until I humble your enemies,
    making them a footstool under your feet.”
14 Therefore, angels are only servants—spirits sent to care for people who will inherit salvation.” (Hebrews 1:1-14) 

“his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. 19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.“ (Colossians 1:14-20) 

“Jesus said, before Abraham was I am.” (John 8:58). 

That Jesus always was with the Father snd Holy Spirit, One God in Three Persons, forever and ever. 

The Godhead  has always existed as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, One God in Three Persons, Blessed Trinity. 

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[Willa]

On 7/15/2020 at 5:40 PM, Your closest friendnt said:

When Jesus was about twelve years old he confronted Joseph in the presence of his mother and told him that I know your secret that you are my adopted father and that I am not your Son...

Where in Scripture do you find this?

[Guest theElect777]

1 hour ago, Fidei Defensor said:

I read and believe that Jesus did not come out of the Father (created or as if the Son somehow split off from Father during an osmosis) but always existed with the Father and Spirit, as the Person of the Son; Co-Existed and Co-Equal with the Father: 

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (John 1:1-5, 14) This makes it clear Jesus was alwayz with the Father and Holy Spirit. 

The Son (Jesus) has always Co-Existed and Co-Equal with the Father. The Begot or Begotten is that God the Father sent God the Son to earth, to be born of the Virgin Mary: 

“And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he created the universe. 3 The Son radiates God’s own glory and expresses the very character of God, and he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command. When he had cleansed us from our sins, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God in heaven. 4 This shows that the Son is far greater than the angels, just as the name God gave him is greater than their names.
5 For God never said to any angel what he said to Jesus:

“You are my Son.
    Today I have become your Father.”
God also said,

“I will be his Father,
    and he will be my Son.”
6 And when he brought his supreme Son into the world, God said,

“Let all of God’s angels worship him.”
7 Regarding the angels, he says,

“He sends his angels like the winds,
    his servants like flames of fire.”
8 But to the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever.
    You rule with a scepter of justice.
9 You love justice and hate evil.
    Therefore, O God, your God has anointed you,
    pouring out the oil of joy on you more than on anyone else.”
10 He also says to the Son,

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundation of the earth
    and made the heavens with your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain forever.
    They will wear out like old clothing.
12 You will fold them up like a cloak
    and discard them like old clothing.
But you are always the same;
    you will live forever.”
13 And God never said to any of the angels,

“Sit in the place of honor at my right hand
    until I humble your enemies,
    making them a footstool under your feet.”
14 Therefore, angels are only servants—spirits sent to care for people who will inherit salvation.” (Hebrews 1:1-14) 

“his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. 19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.“ (Colossians 1:14-20) 

“Jesus said, before Abraham was I am.” (John 8:58). 

That Jesus always was with the Father snd Holy Spirit, One God in Three Persons, forever and ever. 

The Godhead  has always existed as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, One God in Three Persons, Blessed Trinity. 

I agree 100%

[Refresher]

14 minutes ago, theElect777 said:

I agree 100%

Yeheay whoaaaa...Bravo Elect...I guess we need a party...would you like to prepare BBQ pork ribs...hahaha