CHOSEN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD

[douge]

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25 above is dealing with the judgment of the Gentile nations that will enter the earthly Davidic kingdom promised Israel. These nations will enter the kingdom along with the believing remnant of Israel. The promised kingdom, which both the nations and the remnant will enter, was purposed from the foundation of the world.

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

God purposed to save the body of Christ by the gospel of Christ, from before the foundation of the world; to bless us in heavenly places, to be holy and blameless before him in love.

Therefore, seeing that there is a difference between before and from, we can determine that God has made a distinction between believing Israel and the church, the body of Christ. One is to have determined to save (by the gospel of the grace of God) the body of Christ before the foundation of the world to a position in heavenly places; the other is to save the remnant of Israel (by the gospel of the kingdom) to enter the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth, from the foundation of the world.

[Your closest friendnt]

On 7/22/2020 at 9:58 AM, douge said:

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

God purposed to save the body of Christ by the gospel of Christ, from before the foundation of the world; to bless us in heavenly places, to be holy and blameless before him in love.

Therefore, seeing that there is a difference between before and from, we can determine that God has made a distinction between believing Israel and the church, the body of Christ. One is to have determined to save (by the gospel of the grace of God) the body of Christ before the foundation of the world to a position in heavenly places; the other is to save the remnant of Israel (by the gospel of the kingdom) to enter the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth, from the foundation of the world.

 

The reading of the above scriptures is not so complicated...

Paul was born and grew in the Law and he was under the holiness and righteousness of the Law....

Paul lived in a very unique time...he lived under both Covenants...like Nicodemus....

Lazarus was one of the most unique cases...never duplicated by anyone else....

Paul said the same thing Jesus said to Nicodemus...

That the Holiness and righteousness of the Law...it's not what God had proposed to have children from....

Children with the Heavenly Blessings...

Children from "the seed of the woman". 

God had asked the people to wait for the Messiah...the Christ of God, Jesus Christ...

God has only children with the Spirit... 

 

 

Edited July 26, 2020 by Your closest friendnt

[TheBlade]

" There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

This is where what Christ said comes into play. If you can't understand earthly things.. you wont spiritual things. There is CHRIST the head. Then ALL the rest are the body. Right now.. as Issac was .. I am a child of promise. As if I was BORN of them. This is how He treats ALL that believe in His son. There is the vine. No one can show God a branch not originally of the vine. He is the VINE.. ALL the rest are the branches. Its not in heaven as it is one earth. No nations there.. no different people races. Just ALL family and the Father son holy Spirit.

[Who me]

On 7/22/2020 at 2:58 PM, douge said:

chosen us in him before the foundation of the world

 

Either God is God and can forsee and predestined all that is going to happen in such a way that we are not robots.

                                            Or

 

God is not in charge and something else is.

 

Take your pick, worship the God who is God or start searching for the God who s God.

Edited August 12, 2020 by Who me
Spelcheck mistake

[Your closest friendnt]

chosen us in him before the foundation of the world

1 hour ago, Who me said:

 

Either God is God and can forsee and predestined all that is going to happen in such a way that we are not robots.

                                            Or

 

God is not in Ontario and something else is.

 

Take your pick, worship the God who is God or start searching for the God who s God.

"chosen us in him before the foundation of the world"...

*This is the same as what Jesus was teaching and the Jews got mad at him...

*this is what the disciples were teaching and were prosecuted...

They were telling the Jews..  At the beginning it was Jesus before the Cross...who was telling them that they need to believe in him that he is the Christ, the Son of God...if not they are lost...they will be rejected by God...

They did not understand how and when this may happen...

Jesus Christ did not spell it to them...the way he explained it to Nicodemus...

When he said to him...I know that you believe in me now and you have a vision of me to fulfill your concept you have in your mind and heart...

Then Jesus told him that you must believe in me when you see the sign of what Moses did in the dessert...

That you will see me lifted up just like that..hanging dead from the Cross...

Nicodemus may have connected to it...because the Serpent in the desert it was dead and yet alive

It healed the people...

Jesus was telling the Jews that if they do not believe in him that they will be in their sins by DEFAULT at the time of his death on the Cross...

The Jews said that cannot be what a out Abraham...is Abraham going to be lost? 

Because they were Abraham's seed...

For them to be lost and be found in their sins...Abraham must be also be found in his sins...at the time of Jesus Christ death on the Cross...

They were right that is the truth...all the Covenant God had made they all finished by DEFAULT at the time of Jesus Christ death on the Cross...

So the question does God does not have children or a Nation anymore...

If you recall before even the time of Moses...the Jews used to challenge the Lord...saying...do you not want to have children any more...

This is what the scripture say ....that yes God will have children from Jesus Christ...this is what God had proposed to do from the beginning...

He made it know...right after the fall of Adam...that the seed of the woman...the Christ..the Son of Man...the Son of God...will restored man to Life under his name...

 

 

 

 

[Butch5]

On 7/22/2020 at 9:58 AM, douge said:

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25 above is dealing with the judgment of the Gentile nations that will enter the earthly Davidic kingdom promised Israel. These nations will enter the kingdom along with the believing remnant of Israel. The promised kingdom, which both the nations and the remnant will enter, was purposed from the foundation of the world.

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

God purposed to save the body of Christ by the gospel of Christ, from before the foundation of the world; to bless us in heavenly places, to be holy and blameless before him in love.

Therefore, seeing that there is a difference between before and from, we can determine that God has made a distinction between believing Israel and the church, the body of Christ. One is to have determined to save (by the gospel of the grace of God) the body of Christ before the foundation of the world to a position in heavenly places; the other is to save the remnant of Israel (by the gospel of the kingdom) to enter the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth, from the foundation of the world.

Actually, this passage in Ephesians 1 is about Israel, not the Church. If you notice in verse 3-12 Paul uses first person personal pronouns, I, we, and us. In verse 13 He switches to second person personal pronouns, you and your. This shows that Paul is speaking of two different groups of people. Verses 3-12 refer to Israel.

[Who me]

On 8/4/2020 at 10:09 PM, Your closest friendnt said:

So the question does God does not have children or a Nation anymore

Yes he does as John 1:12+13 tell us we have the Right to become Children of God.

As 1 Peter2:9+10 says we who were not a people now are a people.

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, Who me said:

Yes he does as John 1:12+13 tell us we have the Right to become Children of God.

As 1 Peter2:9+10 says we who were not a people now are a people.

Mathew 3::16,17

(At the Baptism of Jesus we have the testimony of the Heavenly Father:)

16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him,[c] and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; 17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son,[d] with whom I am well pleased.”

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And at the mount of configuration...

Matthew 17:5

English Standard Version

5 He was still speaking when, behold, (A)a bright cloud overshadowed them, and (B)a voice from the cloud said, (C)“This is my beloved Son,[a] with whom I am well pleased; (D)listen to him.” 

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During the baptism of Jesus Christ in the presence of John the Baptist...

Snd at the mount of configuration and in the presence of John, Peter and James....God spoke saying pointing to Jesus Christ....

"this is my Son my only Son "...in whom I am well please...listen to him...

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You can see that God testifies that he didn't not have any children....

And that before Jesus Christ he did not have any one else...

*it was predestined before the foundation of the world that God will have children through Jesus Christ...those children with the Life of Jesus Christ in them...

Note: John the Baptist...and Peter and John and James were excluded...they were not the children of the Life of Jesus Christ...

Not at that time....they had to wait for Jesus Christ to die and raised from the dead ..

John the Baptist received the Life before the resurrection of Jesus Christ...when Jesus met him at the Bossom of Abraham....right after his death...and that time Abraham and his seed received the Life of Jesus Christ...and were the children of God...

Abraham and his offsprings were predestined to be the children of God in Jesus Christ...right after his death when they believed in him... y faith in Jesus Christ right after his death...

 

[David1701]

On 7/22/2020 at 2:58 PM, douge said:

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25 above is dealing with the judgment of the Gentile nations that will enter the earthly Davidic kingdom promised Israel. These nations will enter the kingdom along with the believing remnant of Israel. The promised kingdom, which both the nations and the remnant will enter, was purposed from the foundation of the world.

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

God purposed to save the body of Christ by the gospel of Christ, from before the foundation of the world; to bless us in heavenly places, to be holy and blameless before him in love.

Therefore, seeing that there is a difference between before and from, we can determine that God has made a distinction between believing Israel and the church, the body of Christ. One is to have determined to save (by the gospel of the grace of God) the body of Christ before the foundation of the world to a position in heavenly places; the other is to save the remnant of Israel (by the gospel of the kingdom) to enter the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth, from the foundation of the world.

Oh boy!  The body of Christ IS spiritual Israel!  Saved Gentiles are grafted in.

[Who me]

20 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

You can see that God testifies that he didn't not have any children....

No God the Father's testimony as that " This Is My Beloved Son." There is nothing in it that says Jesus became the Son of God at that moment only a public recognitione

In England some forty years ago there was a public ceremony where Prince Charles was made the Prince of Wales. 

That ceremony didn't make Charles a prince, it didn't make him the Queen of England's eldest son. He was already that.

In the same way Jesus was already the second person of the trinity, he had limited himself, taken off, hidden, his Glorious form in order to become a man.

As you say at the end of your post following Jesus's resurrection believers became God's children.