Proposition: There Is No Bible-Verse Argument For A Future Antichrist.

[JAG**]

14 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

 What? Discard  , , ,  LaHaye.?  , , ,  

Regarding LaHaye,

The following is presented for your consideration:

JAG Writes:
It is sad indeed that Amillennialism, Premillennialism, and
Dispensationalism repudiates the gospel victory theme of
the Bible in their modern eschatological speculations and
replaces this victory theme with a defeatist scheme of the
future of the Christian Church and Human Race. This
paralyzes Christian cultural efforts and eliminates the
practical significance from the Christian worldview, and
gives Christians a sinful comfort in lethargy because all
this Defeatism and Doom and Gloom tends to justify
social and cultural irresponsibility. 'Why polish brass
on a sinking ship', ask many misinformed Christians.

 It is factually true that
Amillennialism
Premillennialism
Dispensationalism
teaches clearly that the Christian Church FAILS to go and
make disciples of all the nations  and that the Christian

Church ends in defeat with regard to  The Great Commission 

 given to her by  the Lord Jesus at the end of Matthew's gospel

chapter 28

JAG

[JAG**]

58 minutes ago, Alive said:

What I have observed before on the forum regarding eschatology;

there are a gaggle of individuals on this forum that state adamantly,

that the Lord has revealed to them various aspects of the ‘end times’,

and yet these individuals are at times very much at odds with one

another. Others don’t state emphatically, that the Lord showed them,

but rather argue that what they see in scripture is clear, if you read it

like it was wrote.

:-)

The LOrd has shown this brother quite a lot over 4.5 decades, but never

anything specific on the subject. In fact, I have read the OT prophets and

John and Paul a whole bunch over the years—especially Revelation and it

has never been opened up to me. I know for a fact, that should the Lord

want to, He would.

I have asked him about this and get Nada, but for one interesting bit recently.

Thanks for those comments Alive. Much  appreciated.

You know what Panmillennialism  is I'm sure. It'll all "pan out" in the end , , , lol , , ,

Best.

JAG

[Alive]

I am a curious sort—a seeker of knowledge and an inquiring mind, so it would be dishonest to say that I am not curious and interested, but I have been content to seek him and His will for me while waiting to hear that shout.

[JAG**]

1 hour ago, abcdef said:

Jag,

I would say that the Antichrist is Caesar, but not just one, all of them and the "image" Bishops of Rome until this day.

The Antichrist was revealed as Caesar at the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

It was revealed then that the iron of the Dan. 2 statue and the 4th beast of Dan. 7 were Caesar and Rome.

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See how the iron of the statue of Dan.2 and the 4th beast of Dan. 7 last for centuries and not some, 7 or 3 1/2 literal years.

The 3 1/2 times mentioned is also spans centuries, 1900 years.

Not seeing that the time line is centuries and not some 3 1/2 years, distorts the understanding of the time line.

See how both of the Daniel time lines are continual, without any breaks or gaps.

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Thank you for your comments abcdef. 

[JAG**]

1 minute ago, Alive said:

I am a curious sort—a seeker of knowledge and an inquiring mind, so it would be

dishonest to say that I am not curious and interested, but I have been content to

seek him and His will for me while waiting to hear that shout.

Its super great to be curious and interested. If anyone is interested 

in a bright cheerful Christian eschatology I highly recommend 

He Shall Have Dominion: A Postmillennial Eschatology  , , , Third Edition 

by Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry Jr.

600 plus pages

6 X 9 X 2 inches 

$36.00 {it is quite popular, so its not cheap.}

amazon has it. 

Free S/H

"shout"___Alive

It'll make you want to shout  /Big Grin 

Best.

JAG

[abcdef]

20 minutes ago, JAG** said:

Regarding LaHaye,

The following is presented for your consideration:

JAG Writes:
It is sad indeed that Amillennialism, Premillennialism, and
Dispensationalism repudiates the gospel victory theme of
the Bible in their modern eschatological speculations and
replaces this victory theme with a defeatist scheme of the
future of the Christian Church and Human Race. This
paralyzes Christian cultural efforts and eliminates the
practical significance from the Christian worldview, and
gives Christians a sinful comfort in lethargy because all
this Defeatism and Doom and Gloom tends to justify
social and cultural irresponsibility. 'Why polish brass
on a sinking ship', ask many misinformed Christians.

 It is factually true that
Amillennialism
Premillennialism
Dispensationalism
teaches clearly that the Christian Church FAILS to go and
make disciples of all the nations  and that the Christian

Church ends in defeat with regard to  The Great Commission 

 given to her by  the Lord Jesus at the end of Matthew's gospel

chapter 28

JAG

Peter preached to people from "every nation under heaven" Acts 2:5.

Paul preached to "every creature" Col 1:23.

These fulfilled the prophecy by Jesus in Matt 28, and Matt 24:14.

The "end" that comes after the fulfillment is the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

[Alive]

6 minutes ago, JAG** said:

Its super great to be curious and interested. If anyone is interested 

in a bright cheerful Christian eschatology I highly recommend 

He Shall Have Dominion: A Postmillennial Eschatology  , , , Third Edition 

by Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry Jr.

600 plus pages

6 X 9 X 2 inches 

$36.00 {it is quite popular, so its not cheap.}

amazon has it. 

Free S/H

"shout"___Alive

It'll make you want to shout  /Big Grin 

Best.

JAG

Perhaps—for now, I will continue to consider and practice importunity, while I get caught up on other reading.

:-)

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4 minutes ago, Alive said:

Perhaps—for now, I will continue to consider and practice

importunity, while I get caught up on other reading.

:-)

Sounds good. I truly believe a good test of the level of interest

is the willingness to pay the price of a book. If that willingness is 

missing, then I'd say "move on to other areas" -- this one is not

for you right now , , , maybe later on.

JAG

[wingnut-]

I don't disagree with your premise, there is no specific statement that the man of lawlessness spoken of by Paul has anything to do with the beast of Revelation.  The connection that most draw from it comes from that passage, in that some to this day defy the very rules of the written word and change the order from what is written.  Paul says that the falling away and the man of lawlessness precede the Lord's coming and our gathering to Him.  He does not specify any length of time as to when those two things occur, or how close in proximity they are to each other.

As far as anti-christs, I would have to disagree with the conclusion that they were limited to the 1st century.  I think that trend has continued throughout history and continues to this day based on John's specific details regarding what makes someone an "anti-christ".  In more modern times, you should consider someone like Anton Lavey, founder of the Church of Satan, as someone who meets those qualifications.  The same would be true of anyone that opposes the Lord.  Considering such people do exist, and continue to exist, this also plays a part in Christian's perception of the beast as anti-christ, as the information given in Revelation clearly meets the qualifications set by John.

[Alive]

3 minutes ago, JAG** said:

Sounds good. I truly believe a good test of the level of interest

is the willingness to pay the price of a book. If that willingness is 

missing, then I'd say "move on to other areas" -- this one is not

for you right now , , , maybe later on.

JAG

That made me chuckle—thanks.

:-)