Proposition: There Is No Bible-Verse Argument For A Future Antichrist.

[JAG**]

24 minutes ago, abcdef said:

Peter preached to people from "every nation under heaven" Acts 2:5.

Paul preached to "every creature" Col 1:23.

These fulfilled the prophecy by Jesus in Matt 28, and Matt 24:14.

The "end" that comes after the fulfillment is the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Thanks for your comments.

I do not have any desire to argue the point with you ---   I will merely

tell you what my position is.

Also , , 

I do understand your views. However, I am a Postmillennialist and I 

am expecting the following:

Here is an excellent definition of Postmillennialism:

"Postmillennialism holds that the Lord Jesus Christ established
His kingdom on earth through His preaching and redemptive
work in the first century and that He equips His church with the
gospel, empowers her by the Holy Spirit, and charges her with
the Great Commission to disciple all nations. Postmillennialism
expects that eventually the vast majority of men living will be
saved. Increasing gospel success will gradually produce a
time in history prior to Christ's return in which faith,
righteousness, peace, and prosperity will prevail in the
affairs of men and nations. After an extensive era of such
conditions the Lord will return visibly, bodily, and gloriously,
to end history with the general resurrection and the final
Judgment after which the eternal order follows."
___ Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry.

Christianity will  slowly Christianize  the world. This does not

mean that every single person will be saved. Postmillennialism 

is not Universalism. It means rather that the human race, as a race,

will be saved. God's Human Race Project will not end in defeat.

___________

 

But all that is for a different thread.

JAG

 

 

 

Edited July 29, 2020 by JAG**

[JAG**]

18 minutes ago, wingnut- said:

I don't disagree with your premise, there is no specific statement that the man of lawlessness spoken of by Paul has anything to do with the beast of Revelation.  The connection that most draw from it comes from that passage, in that some to this day defy the very rules of the written word and change the order from what is written.  Paul says that the falling away and the man of lawlessness precede the Lord's coming and our gathering to Him.  He does not specify any length of time as to when those two things occur, or how close in proximity they are to each other.

As far as anti-christs, I would have to disagree with the conclusion that they were limited to the 1st century.  I think that trend has continued throughout history and continues to this day based on John's specific details regarding what makes someone an "anti-christ".  In more modern times, you should consider someone like Anton Lavey, founder of the Church of Satan, as someone who meets those qualifications.  The same would be true of anyone that opposes the Lord.  Considering such people do exist, and continue to exist, this also plays a part in Christian's perception of the beast as anti-christ, as the information given in Revelation clearly meets the qualifications set by John.

Thanks for your comments.

Just a brief statement.

There are no Bible verses that connect John's antichrist with:

■ 2 Thess. 2

■ Daniel 7

■ Revelation

■ Or any other parts of the Bible.

There is not one {1} Bible verse anywhere that makes that connection --  its all based

100% on pure personal  interpretative speculation. 

Best.

JAG

Edited July 29, 2020 by JAG**

[wingnut-]

2 minutes ago, JAG** said:

Thanks for your comments.

Just a brief statement.

There are no Bible verses that connect John's antichrist with:

■ 2 Thess. 2

■ Daniel 7

■ Revelation

■ Or any other parts of the Bible.

There is not one {1} Bible verse anywhere that makes that connection --  its all based

100% on pure personal  interpretative speculation. 

Best.

JAG

 

Yes, and I agree with you on that, as I said.

[JAG**]

18 minutes ago, Alive said:

That made me chuckle—thanks.

:-)

Y'welcome. I like to make folks chuckle --- I'd rather get them to read

He Shall Have Dominion --- but I will settle for a chuckle , ,   lol , , ,

 

JAG

[JAG**]

Just now, wingnut- said:

 

Yes, and I agree with you on that, as I said.

Thanks.

God Bless.

JAG

[Alive]

2 minutes ago, JAG** said:

Y'welcome. I like to make folks chuckle --- I'd rather get them to read

He Shall Have Dominion --- but I will settle for a chuckle , ,   lol , , ,

 

JAG

Ya I got that along with a wee attempt at manipulation—in good will, of course.

:-)

[JAG**]

1 minute ago, Alive said:

Ya I got that along with a wee attempt at manipulation—in good will, of course.

:-)

A very wee bit. 3% manipulation and 97% joking  :-)

JAG

[Alive]

I received it as transmitted...the antennae is intact.

LOL

[JAG**]

35 minutes ago, wingnut- said:

I don't disagree with your premise, there is no specific statement that the man of lawlessness spoken of by Paul has anything to do with the beast of Revelation.  The connection that most draw from it comes from that passage, in that some to this day defy the very rules of the written word and change the order from what is written.  Paul says that the falling away and the man of lawlessness precede the Lord's coming and our gathering to Him.  He does not specify any length of time as to when those two things occur, or how close in proximity they are to each other.

As far as anti-christs, I would have to disagree with the conclusion that they were limited to the 1st century.  I think that trend has continued throughout history and continues to this day based on John's specific details regarding what makes someone an "anti-christ".  In more modern times, you should consider someone like Anton Lavey, founder of the Church of Satan, as someone who meets those qualifications.  The same would be true of anyone that opposes the Lord.  Considering such people do exist, and continue to exist, this also plays a part in Christian's perception of the beast as anti-christ, as the information given in Revelation clearly meets the qualifications set by John.

"The same would be true of anyone that opposes the Lord."___Wingnut

Wingnut,

Thank you for pointing that out.

JAG

Edited July 29, 2020 by JAG**

[abcdef]

16 minutes ago, JAG** said:

Thanks for your comments.

I do not have any desire to argue the point with you ---   I will merely

tell you what my position is.

Also , , 

I do understand your views. However, I am a Postmillennialist and I 

am expecting the following:

Here is an excellent definition of Postmillennialism:

"Postmillennialism holds that the Lord Jesus Christ established
His kingdom on earth through His preaching and redemptive
work in the first century and that He equips His church with the
gospel, empowers her by the Holy Spirit, and charges her with
the Great Commission to disciple all nations. Postmillennialism
expects that eventually the vast majority of men living will be
saved. Increasing gospel success will gradually produce a
time in history prior to Christ's return in which faith,
righteousness, peace, and prosperity will prevail in the
affairs of men and nations. After an extensive era of such
conditions the Lord will return visibly, bodily, and gloriously,
to end history with the general resurrection and the final
Judgment after which the eternal order follows."
___ Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry.

Christianity will  slowly Christianize  the world. This does not

mean that every single person will be saved. Postmillennialism 

is not Universalism. It means rather that the human race, as a race,

will be saved. God's Human Race Project will not end in defeat.

___________

 

But all that is for a different thread.

JAG

 

 

 

Jag, I will agree with your statement on post mill., mostly.

I agree with your statement that Nero was an Antichrist, but he was not the only one.

The problem that is seen with Nero being the Antichrist in a "exclusive of all others" viewpoint is when you try to place the idea into the Rev 17 "heads".

If Nero is one of the heads, who are the others? If you say that they are individuals, then the end of the beast happened long ago with the last 8th head.

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Is there nothing after 70 AD concerning the beast nation and it's rule over the people of Israel?