God in Flesh (God Incarnate)

[JohnD]

6 hours ago, branchesofHim said:

Good point. Mary, a person in the flesh, was also part of this .................. 

God, Himself, had to have a woman on the earth to do this ..........

Not to detract from all that Miryam bat Eli did and all that she was...

But God the Father could have made the Last Adam a fully functioning adult on day one

just as God the Word made the first Adam a fully functioning adult on day one. But it was necessary

for Miryam (Mary) Jesus' gestational surrogate to carry his fully autonomous embryo to childbirth

in order to meet all the legal requirements of the Law without being an actual heir of the first Adam

(which would have otherwise given him a sin nature like the rest of the first Adam's heirs). Jesus is the Last

Adam. A prototype the same as the first Adam was.

1 Corinthians 15:45.

The virgin Mary carried the Christ embryo and birth him making him the legal heir of Adam, Abraham, Jacob, David, etc.

He is just as human as we are but he is a race unto himself as innocent as the first Adam was before the fall.  He laid that

human race (population: Jesus) down on the cross for our sinful humanity:

1 Timothy 4:10

1 John 2:2

Activated by faith (John 3:16-18 / Ephesians 2:8-10 / 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 / John 16:27)

to cleanse and forgive us of sin and to save us for eternal life forever and ever.

Mary bore what appeared to all (including her betrothed Joseph at first) the reviling of a moral lapse

(i.e. fornication). Almost no one believed the Virgin Birth until the ministry of the Lord Jesus began (and I suspect not even until

after his resurrection from the dead). I do not recall where his Virgin Birth was mentioned to those he taught or discipled. 

Mary's cousin Elizabeth (who married into the Levitical tribe), a prophet named Simeon (who may or may not have know about the Virgin Birth)

Luke 2:25.

A very heavy cross for Mary to bear.

Her other sons and daughters did not believe Jesus was the Christ until after his resurrection (John 7:5). So the rumors and gossip had to find their way 

into the home of Mary and Joseph even among their own children. The taunting Jesus must have endured as well as Mary and Joseph in their own home. 

Joseph vanishes from the pages of scripture. He may have died. He may have simply left.

Not to detract from his righteous acts and stepping up to the plate when most would not have.

It is just very interesting IMHO that the Bible doesn't mention him at all after the beginning of the Gospel books. 

But there is no mention of the family of Jesus living on alms from the Temple / synagogue for widows and orphans either.

Mary bore witness to the death of her Son on the cross  John 19:26-27. Where Jesus in fact did arrange for Mary's sustenance

but in her old age.

I weep for Mary.

Of all other human beings, she most probably bore the most identification of the lack of appreciation God himself experiences.

God is the most unappreciated. Always being blamed for things that are not his fault (though in the person of Christ he took full responsibility for). 

I am sure the veneration of Mary and the contrived immaculate conception* no doubt embarrass or outright give her reason for concern...

* Luke 1:46–47 (AV)
46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

How is it Mary has or needs a Savior if the immaculate conception is true?

Yet more untruth spoken about her by people about her Virgin Birthing of her Savior and ours. ← whether from vicious gossip or veneration...

I believe the Holy Spirit inspired this teaching, the Bible authenticates it.

[JohnD]

4 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Jesus is the manifestation of God, not really the creation.

This is similar to the first century Gnostic heresy that the Apostle John spoke against

in...

1 John 1:1 (AV)
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

1 Timothy 1:15 (AV)
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Hebrews 10:5 (AV)
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

The manifestations of Christ are him in the burning bush with Moses  (Exodus 3), the Angel of the Lord with Abraham (Genesis 22), etc. Paul's visions of Christ after the

resurrection and ascension. But from on or about 3 BCE to 27 CE Jesus of Nazareth actually lived a human life as God the Word become a man (1 Timothy 2:5, John 1:14, Philippians 2:6 morphe theos huparchon = never ceasing to be God). 

The Gnostic heresy claimed Jesus was never really here, a ghost / manifestation.  

[Who me]

8 hours ago, The_Truth_Seeker said:

 

Can someone explain this to me? I have difficulty understanding this, and I will give my reasons.

Now to stay on the same page, since in the English language, God is referred to as The Supreme Being, The Creator.

The Creator, Self-Existent (self-existent is existence but not as a result of creation.  ) A man however is a created being, a being that exists as a result of creation

So how can a being be both Self-Existent and exist as a result of being created at the same time? So can someone explain that to me?

 

 

 

 

You should really talk to your minister and either borrow a book on the trinity or details so you can buy the book.

Untill you do this.

God is a Trinity made up of God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit. This is not spelt out in the Bible, but can be seen in various passages.

Jesus, God the Son, emptied himself of much of his Godhood and became man. It is what Christmas's is all about. He came to teach but also to live a sinless life so he could be a perfect sinless sacrifice for our guilt, shame, sin and take on himself the punishment we deserved..

That he did this is seen at Easter when he died, we hurried and resurrected to life as a sign that he had done all he had set out to do.

[R. Hartono]

1 hour ago, JohnD said:

This is similar to the first century Gnostic heresy that the Apostle John spoke against

in...

1 John 1:1 (AV)
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

1 Timothy 1:15 (AV)
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Hebrews 10:5 (AV)
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

The manifestations of Christ are him in the burning bush with Moses  (Exodus 3), the Angel of the Lord with Abraham (Genesis 22), etc. Paul's visions of Christ after the

resurrection and ascension. But from on or about 3 BCE to 27 CE Jesus of Nazareth actually lived a human life as God the Word become a man (1 Timothy 2:5, John 1:14, Philippians 2:6 morphe theos huparchon = never ceasing to be God). 

The Gnostic heresy claimed Jesus was never really here, a ghost / manifestation.  

Manifestation means The Word became flesh (Jesus), its not a creation.

God does not create Himself.

Its not abt that gnostic yada yada.

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[Mary8]

John 1:14

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

John 8:58 

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

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[Buddy D. Mouse]

The "virgin shall conceive" passage of the OP is very significant.

In the Hebrew, the word was ALMA, a young woman of marriage-able age, without reference to actual virginity. Yet, in the Septuagint, the word PARTHENOS was used - which does literally mean virgin.

The passage in Isaiah goes on to say "and His name shall be called, wonderful, counselor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE PRINCE OF PEACE."

This passage opens up the dual/multiple fulfillments of prophecy. Some kid was born in Isaiah's time, whether it was Isaiah's son or not, I dunno. But that child was not mighty God, everlasting Father, Prince of Peace as we know Jesus is.

Both a normal boy and Jesus the God-man are referred to in the prophecy. Both a natural birth from an ALMA and a virgin birth from a PARTHENOS occurred.

This dual/multiple role of prophecy explains many things to me - like ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION. I feel there was one at the time of Antiochus Epiphanes, when a pig was sacrificed on the altar in Jerusalem. Yet Jesus warned of an Abomination of Desolation future to Him - which His followers saw and fled to Pella and elsewhere just as they had been warned - late 60's to 70 AD.

Is there an End Time Abomination of Desolation still to come? Perhaps it is so.

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given...

And His name shall be called more than the boy in Isaiah' s time could ever be called.

Jesus is God in the Flesh - the WORD became flesh and dwelled among us. Is the Trinity easy to explain? No. I tried too early to explain it to my son, he was too young to comprehend, and said "whattdya mean, God is THREE PEOPLE?"

But he understands now, he is Greek Orthodox as of a few years.

 

[Buddy D. Mouse]

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[Buddy D. Mouse]

Sorry for double post - extreme technical difficulties here, I lost a post describing 1 John 5:7 - the JOHANNINE COMMA

All about which versions have it, which don't - I don't use it to try to prove Trinity - non-Trinnies go ballistic and squeal like pigs...

KJV, NKJV, and Youngs Literal do have 1 John 5:7 in its clear Trinitarian wording, other versions omit it, a matter of which manuscripts are used.

[Buddy D. Mouse]

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

KJV

[Buddy D. Mouse]

NIV, ESV,  and several others do NOT have the COMMA - it is not essential for showing the Trinity - KJV, NKJV and Youngs Literal have it; Darby and many modern versions do not...

First the ancient church emphasized the Son/Word and the Father were one in nature/essence, by the time of final form of Nicene Creed 381 AD - 

"We believe in the Holy Spirit, who proceeds from the Father, with the Father and the Son He is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets."

Jesus is God in the flesh. The Hagion Pneuma is God also.