Forgiveness

[Sharky and George]

JOY is an acronym in this case:

Jesus wants us to forgive.

Others it helps.

You feel un burdened.

This is a good priority order to pray too.

[integrity]

On 8/30/2020 at 2:05 PM, Traveler said:

Forgiveness requires repentance.

G3341
μετάνοια
metanoia
met-an'-oy-ah
From G3340; (subjectively) compunction (for guilt, including reformation); by implication reversal (of [another’s] decision): - repentance.

Act 20:21  Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

If someone sins against you and then comes back and says sorry as in repents then you are obliged to forgive them so that God our Father can forgive us our sins against him.  But Just as God does not forgive those that do not repent and who cast aside the gift of salvation so we are not required to forgive those that have no intention of being sorry for what they have done to us.

This teaching that you have to forgive as a blanket statement is wrong. I have been of forums where a poster would come on and do a lot of harm to others and then demand that we forgive them because we have to and then they go pick on another poster and chase them away then immediately demand that they be forgiven and god help any posters that do not agree.

Wow I have never been told this before. I come from a family of believers and I guess whole culture that especially older folk get to say what they want and treat younger generations how they want. And we are supposed to let ourselves be mistreated by older fellow Christians. idk I'm realizing as I grow older that being a Christian is very hard. As a young child and teen it was easy for me. But now that I'm an adult I see so many awful behaviors in older people that they justify by "religion" behind all that rule following is no love. I will meditate on this...we live with my parents in law for now...which was not our choice...and my mother in law is passive aggressive. Relentlessly making Jabs at me. And if you try to call her out on it she feigns innocence and NEVER apologizes. I have sobbed so many times because of what shes said to me. And sometimes I wonder...how does she serve the Lord I do? Shes perfectly pleasant on the surface but I have always suspected I wasnt good enough for her. anywho I'm so sorry to derail this thread...I try to forgive people in my heart when they hurt me and dont apologize. I pray that God blesses them and keeps bitterness out of my heart. And oh to prevent me from ever treating someone else so abhorrently.

[Who me]

39 minutes ago, Sharky and George said:

JOY is an acronym in this case:

Jesus wants us to forgive.

Others it helps.

You feel un burdened.

This is a good priority order to pray too.

Excel it is unbiblical nonsence.

 

God only forgives us if we repent.

 

The entire Bible teaches the same thing. That if a sinner repents we Must forgive them. If they don't, can't or won't then we hand it all over to God, just as Jesus did on the cross, asking God to deal with it and we then pray regularly for there good.

 

Every verse you have saying we must forgive is based on there being repentance and when there is that we Must forgive.

[TheBlade]

Hi.. just taking this anywhere. So.. why does God have to forgive you? Well what SIN did you do? I must have missed the "Do not kick your brother in the shin" commandment. Sure is not nice but again what SIN did you do?  Now I think lol I just might have to go to my brother and say sorry, not to God.  Well what did Peter ask Christ? "how many times must I forgive my brother that sins against me?" key words "against me".

"The Lord only forgives you if you repent. If you don't, then off to hell you go." <-- first this is not in the word. Praise GOD MAN has no say in this. If you have kids at some point in time someone just had to tell you about your kids and how they really should be raised. Hell is a place made for Satan not man. So when any one goes there.. the Father that made them will never ever see His creation again. I can't even grasp this. Yet the way some talk about a place where the Father will never see His creation again anyway. I've had the fear of never seeing my baby again. I am 59 and there is no other pain that comes close to that. Maybe just maybe we should wait til the books are open and let the FATHER speak.

[Willa]

The 10 commandments are for our good, our well being, to keep us out of trouble of dreadful guilt and repercussions. 

We are to forgive for our own peace of mind and well being.  It is not for the other person's good, it is for our own.  Unforgiveness causes bitterness and corruption of our own souls.  

We must be at least willing to forgive, or ask God to make us willing (which is asking for chastening).  To be unwilling is to be unmindful of the grace God has bestowed on us by forgiving us.  

Heb 12:15 ESV See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no "root of bitterness" springs up and causes trouble, and by it many become defiled;"

Col 3:12  Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, Col 3:13  bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.

Col 3:14  And above all these put on love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony.