Blasphemy Some May Say

[Montana Marv]

Some of you may call this Blasphemy.

God the Father, God the Son, God the other Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

Many of you believe in God the other Son.  Here is my point.

John 1:1,2 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  He was with God in the beginning. v. 16 - and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.  Heb 1:3 - The Son is the radiance of Gods glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things be His powerful Word.

Matt 24:35 - Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. v. 36 - No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. v. 44 - the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.  25:1- The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. and the door was shut.  v. 13 - Keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour. The Bridegroom comes at an unknown time, which only God the Father knows.

Now when look at "in the beginning", which is before all things were created, Christ the Word.  All the Word or Scripture is from eternity to eternity.  Nothing Knew.   Except the only thing held back by the Father is the time of the Rapture, or the Bridegroom coming to retrieve his Bride.

If one believes that the Scriptures reveal the time of the Rapture, then they believe in God the other Son, who is not the Word.

The time of the Rapture or Harpozo is not revealed in Scripture, as Jesus Christ the Word states.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

[missmuffet]

Two God the Son's? Two different Jesus Christ's? 

[Diaste]

Um...what?

[JohnR7]

3 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Two God the Son's? Two different Jesus Christ's? 

Jesus is the Word of God. Everything was created through Jesus. John tells us that the Word became flesh. Marv thinks that the incarnate Jesus is different from the pre incarnate Jesus. The actual word is dwell. God wanted to dwell with or become a part of His Creation. We esp see this in the tabernacle or the Holy of Holies.  God made man and then He humbled Himself to dwell in a tent made by man. When Jesus died at Calvery "the veil of the temple was torn into two from top to bottom" (Matthew 27:51) Then "The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised". (Matthew 27:51) We have been reconciled with God the Father and the resurrection power of God gives us life. 

Edited September 10, 2020 by JohnR7

[Montana Marv]

1 hour ago, JohnR7 said:

Jesus is the Word of God. Everything was created through Jesus. John tells us that the Word became flesh. Marv thinks that the incarnate Jesus is different from the pre incarnate Jesus. The actual word is dwell. God wanted to dwell with or become a part of His Creation. We esp see this in the tabernacle or the Holy of Holies.  God made man and then He humbled Himself to dwell in a tent made by man. When Jesus died at Calvery "the veil of the temple was torn into two from top to bottom" (Matthew 27:51) Then "The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised". (Matthew 27:51) We have been reconciled with God the Father and the resurrection power of God gives us life. 

Not at all. 

Those who say that Scripture gives us the time of the Harpozo or Rapture do not believe in the Word, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son..  The "Word" which has existed since creation is the same yesterday, today and forever.  It does not change.  And Jesus stated in Scripture that only God the Father knows when the Rapture will occur.  The Word does not change.  The "Word" we have today existed and was compete before creation; In the beginning.

Now some inform us the the time of the Rapture is Post Trib because Scripture says it does.  Some say Scripture says it is Mid Trib.  Others say Scripture says that the Rapture is tied to a certain event, because Scripture refers to it.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[JohnR7]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

Jesus stated in Scripture that only God the Father knows when the Rapture will occur. 

The rapture takes place when we die. God decides when our time on Earth is finished. We leave our physical body behind. That is what a rapture is, to take by force. I have a good friend that recently died at 70. He was telling me that the rapture was going to be any day now and for him it was. But I am still here. I plan to be here until 2029, the end of the church age.  I will be 77 at the time. Could be I will live longer. We know what happened in Jerusalem when the temple was destroyed. So we have a pretty good idea what to expect if there is a period of time when there is a tribulation when God pours His wrath out on the world. 

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

The rapture takes place when we die.

I prefer what these verses say about the harpazo. Christians who have died before the harpazo are caught up first followed closely by those still alive, and together all of these meet the Lord in the air.

1Th 4:13-18  But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.  (14)  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.  (15)  For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.  (16)  For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.  (17)  Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.  (18)  Therefore comfort one another with these words.
 

[abcdef]

4 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

  And Jesus stated in Scripture that only God the Father knows when the Rapture will occur. 

Look closer, Jesus did not say, that the day that He was speaking of was the day of the resur/rapture, that is an assumption.

The day that He was talking about was the 70 AD day of the destruction of Jerusalem.

Israel could have accepted the new covenant Pentecost gospel kingdom, they could have, they had to have the opportunity to accept it.

Even though it was prophesied that they would reject it, they still could have, some would call it free will opportunity.

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When Jesus said that in Mk 13:32, it was true.

But after Jesus ascended to the Father, He received all power in heaven and in earth, so He had to know the day and hour then, or He didn't receive ALL power, only SOME power.

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Jesus gave us the book of Revelation that tells us when He is coming for the kingdom. So the time of the resur/rapt is there, it is just not understood/revealed until the right time.

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It was not revealed to men or angels that Jesus should die for sin. Rom 16:25-26, 1 Cor 2:7-8. 

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So Jesus does now know the day and hour of the resur/rapt. and He told us in the Revelation.

[BeauJangles]

3 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

The rapture takes place when we die.

I believe there may be a little mixup on terminologies here that may be confusing because they have linguistics with similarities. The Second Coming and Rapture both are considered to be the same event by a majority of those who are not preterists. 

 

Preterism

Preterism, a Christian eschatological view, interprets some or all prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened. This school of thought interprets the Book of Daniel as referring to events that happened from the 7th century BC until the first century AD, while seeing the prophecies of the Book of Revelation as events that happened in the first century AD. Preterism holds that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.

 

What is preterism?

"Preterist" means past in fulfillment, and "Futurist"

Futurism

Futurism is a Christian eschatological view that interprets portions of the Book of Revelation, the Book of Ezekiel, and the Book of Daniel as future events in a literal, physical, apocalyptic, and global context.

en.wikipedia.org

” means future in fulfillment. Preterist basically means the opposite of Futurist. Futurists believe most end-time prophecies (especially the big three events — the Second Coming, Resurrection, and Judgment) are yet to be fulfilled.

What is the Preterist View? | International Preterist ...

www.preterist.org/about-us/what-is-preterist-view/

Edited September 11, 2020 by BeauJangles

[R. Hartono]

5 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Not at all. 

Those who say that Scripture gives us the time of the Harpozo or Rapture do not believe in the Word, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son..  The "Word" which has existed since creation is the same yesterday, today and forever.  It does not change.  And Jesus stated in Scripture that only God the Father knows when the Rapture will occur.  The Word does not change.  The "Word" we have today existed and was compete before creation; In the beginning.

Now some inform us the the time of the Rapture is Post Trib because Scripture says it does.  Some say Scripture says it is Mid Trib.  Others say Scripture says that the Rapture is tied to a certain event, because Scripture refers to it.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Wise virgins are taken but the foolish are left behind and yelled "Loord Loord" but they are just that, left behind.