Pretrib began with Darby?

[Alive]

4 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Preterism is the teaching that all the biblical prophecies are events that have already happened.

Futurism is the teaching that all, or most, eschatological prophecies are yet to occur, and will occur shortly before the Lord returns.

These are extreme views; but I (and many other Christians) take a middle view: that some eschatological events prophesied have occurred but some are yet to occur.

I believe the same.

So then we could be referred to as either partial preterists or partial futurists.

:-)

[David1701]

1 minute ago, Alive said:

I believe the same.

So then we could be referred to as either partial preterists or partial futurists.

:-)

Yes, we could.

[Alive]

2 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Yes, we could.

So I am going to coin a phrase--I think--as I have not heard it before. I am open to correction on that.

Anyway: "Partial P&F".

[David1701]

5 minutes ago, Alive said:

So I am going to coin a phrase--I think--as I have not heard it before. I am open to correction on that.

Anyway: "Partial P&F".

I'm not sure how popular that will be.  It's not very catchy; in fact, it sounds as if it could be a medical condition... 

[Alive]

1 minute ago, David1701 said:

I'm not sure how popular that will be.  It's not very catchy; in fact, it sounds as if it could be a medical condition... 

I get yer drift, but we will see. I will find opportunities to try it out.

It does offer to kill two birds with one throw. In that sense, it is better communication, as it conveys more information and thus reduces uncertainty.

Once the phrase is translated...of course.

[Guest kingdombrat]

One can make the claim Jerusalem needed to be destroyed in order to create a natural spreading of citizens who escaped, some with written Word, some with Old Traditions.   Focus was lost towards Jerusalem while the surrounding world was beginning to burst into many idealism's toward written and translated materials.   Churches in surrounding areas were thriving (John was Bishop of the Church of Ephesus documented around 105 A.D.).   But the frenzy that caused Roman retaliation created a reaction that ultimately found [Its] way through to even today's world.   The Gospel, with the focus of the "Temple" being destroyed, bloomed into modern day knowledge.

 

This is why I acknowledge the first few Verses of Matthew 24 are 70 A.D.   Christ saw what the result of that was leading to.

 

But from then on, the rest of Matthew matches Daniel/Revelation/{special mention to Enoch Chapter One} concerning things that would happen at the end of God's timing for when Tribulation takes place.

 

I believe in Post-Trib Rapture.

 

Many have classified Darby as being a heretic.   Many big time names called him as such, for that time and day.   His notes have tragically misled millions.   

[WilliamL]

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

So was there a pretrib teaching back then? I dunno. Just asking to see what others say.

No record of it in Apostolic/1st century era. Hal Lindsey discovered an obscure, later (2nd or 3rd century) writing by an Ephraim of somewhere or other that supported such a view.

[canada]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

I believe the same.

So then we could be referred to as either partial preterists or partial futurists.

:-)

Those who believe some has been fulfilled and some has not is also referred to as ... historicism.

As noted in the WCF the papacy is anti christ.

[David1701]

3 hours ago, Alive said:

I get yer drift, but we will see. I will find opportunities to try it out.

It does offer to kill two birds with one throw. In that sense, it is better communication, as it conveys more information and thus reduces uncertainty.

Once the phrase is translated...of course.

It might be worth trying; but what about PPF?  The same explanation is required; but it's much more concise.

[Diaste]

15 hours ago, WilliamL said:

No record of it in Apostolic/1st century era. Hal Lindsey discovered an obscure, later (2nd or 3rd century) writing by an Ephraim of somewhere or other that supported such a view.

Yes. I heard that. I think a 2nd century origin was cited.