Mystery Babylon Manifest in the New World not the Old World

[Scott Free]

Mystery Babylon was a mystery to the the Church because it would dominate the Earth from a place that had not yet entered the imagination of the Old World. The description of the Great City she manifest in as being free from the threat of invasion, at the center of global maritime trade and between two rivers is a clue to Babylon's orientation on the globe at this specific time. The emergence of the spirit of Babylon in North America during the 1880's(The Great Melting Pot) could only be realized in the post-modern era. As well as the immense power, wealth, luxury and commerce she acquired after defeating the emperors of the Old World. Today she is a stumbling block to the unification of Eurasia. While she brings a world war to their doorstep policing a world restless to break free from the tired New Order she imposed upon them, becoming more desperate to divorce her with each passing year.

Associating the meaning of the word "mystery" with religion worked in the 10th century when Holy Rome dominated Europe. This view does not hold water at the End Times. It fails to recognize Holy Rome's ultimate destruction by Napoleon and the military frailty and low population of the European Union in the face of Russia, China, India and the United States.

Edited January 10, 2021 by Scott Free
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[Revelation Man]

On 1/10/2021 at 6:29 AM, Scott Free said:

Mystery Babylon was a mystery to the the Church because it would dominate the Earth from a place that had not yet entered the imagination of the Old World. The description of the Great City she manifest in as being free from the threat of invasion, at the center of global maritime trade and between two rivers is a clue to Babylon's orientation on the globe at this specific time. The emergence of the spirit of Babylon in North America during the 1880's(The Great Melting Pot) could only be realized in the post-modern era. As well as the immense power, wealth, luxury and commerce she acquired after defeating the emperors of the Old World. Today she is a stumbling block to the unification of Eurasia. While she brings a world war to their doorstep policing a world restless to break free from the tired New Order she imposed upon them, becoming more desperate to divorce her with each passing year.

Associating the meaning of the word "mystery" with religion worked in the 10th century when Holy Rome dominated Europe. This view does not hold water at the End Times. It fails to recognize Holy Rome's ultimate destruction by Napoleon and the military frailty and low population of the European Union in the face of Russia, China, India and the United States.

Mystery Babylon = Satan's Dark Kingdom on this earth. It = the Wole World.

Babel means confusion, Satan so confuses mankind that that they (laughingly) try to fight against their own creator. How much more CONFUSED can you get? Thus, Babel means Confusion, and thus Babylon = Satan's Dark Kingdom of confusion on earth.

[Scott Free]

23 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Mystery Babylon = Satan's Dark Kingdom on this earth. It = the Wole World.

Babel means confusion, Satan so confuses mankind that that they (laughingly) try to fight against their own creator. How much more CONFUSED can you get? Thus, Babel means Confusion, and thus Babylon = Satan's Dark Kingdom of confusion on earth.

Hello, you are referring to spiritual beings? For someone to think they have a monopoly on the correct understanding of this matter is a confusion in itself. These entities manifest in a many different ways simultaneously. To say they are only this or only that fails to clarify a larger dynamic picture. They do not completely conform to our understanding. I do not believe they are willing to restrain themselves to your arguments on word definitions.

Edited January 11, 2021 by Scott Free

[Revelation Man]

On 1/11/2021 at 5:08 PM, Scott Free said:

Hello, you are referring to spiritual beings? For someone to think they have a monopoly on the correct understanding of this matter is a confusion in itself. These entities manifest in a many different ways simultaneously. To say they are only this or only that fails to clarify a larger dynamic picture. They do not completely conform to our understanding. I do not believe they are willing to restrain themselves to your arguments on word definitions.

There is but ONE ANSWER to all of God's Prophetic utterings. Thereby, one needs it revealed by a loving God who is asked in all meekness to show us these answers, then if we know these answers, we should be able to show why, how, etc. etc. And we should be able to summarize it in short, like I did above. I can do it both ways. The Scriptures say exactly what I stated above. I am not just guessing. God Himself calls the whole world Babylon the Great, and of course I have the receipts.

And no, I am talking about HUMANITY in total, being CONFUSED by Satan, thus mankind are Babylon, not Satan, he is the one that CONFUSES.

Rev. 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts(Jerusalem/earthquake/Jesus' return), and the cities of the nations fell(those that gather at Armageddon, Jesus DEFEATS): and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

So, God describes those nations he defeats as Babylon the Great, so who did God/Jesus defeat at Armageddon? Well, lets look at the 6th Vial in order to find out !! 

Rev. 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the WHOLE WORLD, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Now we can see who Babylon the Great is, God says He defeats Babylon the Great (cities of the Nations) and gives them His great Wrath, and we see back at the 6th Vial that the kings of the WHOLE WORLD gather at Armageddon to fight God/Jesus, thus they are all CONFUSED TO THE RIM, nothing could ever be more confounding then fighting your own loving Creator. Satan has hoodwinked these people. This is why God calls them Babylon. Go back and look at the Statue in Dan. 2, what did every Beast kingdom have in common? They all wanted a one world Government. And they all served false gods.

Another clue is in Rev. 18:2, why has Babylon become the "HABITATION" of devils and demons? Because Satan is cast down to earth, and Apollyon and his demon hordes are released from the bottomless pit. Thus Babylon (the whole world) has many more Demons residing on earth (Babylon). Thus the whole earth has become a habitation of devils

Rev. 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Who is locked in the pit at this time for 1000 years? Satan, thus Babylon is fallen because for the next 1000 years there will be NO CONFUSION ALLOWED any longer !! Mankind will compare living under Satan's rule vs. under Jesus Christs rule, and this will be a testimony against Satan when he is tried in 1000 years. 

Babylon = this WHOLE WORLD being CONFUSED by Satan.

 

Edited January 13, 2021 by Revelation Man

[Scott Free]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

There is but ONE ANSWER to all of God's Prophetic utterings. There by one needs it revealed by a loving God who is asked in all meekness to show us these answers, then if we know these answers, we should be able to show why, how, etc. etc. And we should be able to summarize it in short, like I did above. I can do it both ways. The Scriptures say exactly what I stated above. I am not just guessing. God Himself calls the whole world Babylon the Great, and of course I have the receipts.

And no, I am talking about HUMANITY in total, being CONFUSED by Satan, thus mankind are Babylon, not Satan, he CONFUSES.

Rev. 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts(Jerusalem/earthquake/Jesus' return), and the cities of the nations fell(those that gather at Armageddon, Jesus DEFEATS): and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

So, God describes those nations he defeats as Babylon the Great, so who did God/Jesus defeat at Armageddon? Well, lets look at theb 6th Vial in order to find out !! 

Rev. 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the WHOLE WORLD, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Now we can see who Babylon the Great is, God says He defeats Babylon the Great (cities of the Nations) and gives them His great Wrath, and we see back at the 6th Vial that the kings of the WHOLE WORLD gather at Armageddon to fight God/Jesus, thus they are all CONFUSED TO THE RIM, nothing could ever be more confounding then fighting your own loving Creator. Stan has hoodwinked these people. This is why God calls them Babylon. Go back and look at the Statue, wat did every Beast kingdom have in common? They all wanted a one world Government. And they all served false gods.

Another clue is in Rev. 18:2, why has Babylon become the 'HABITATION" of devils and demons? Because Satan is cast down to earth, and Apollyon and his demon hordes is released from the bottomless pit. Thus Babylon (the whole world) has many more Demons residing on earth (Babylon).

Rev. 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Who is locked in the pit at this time for 1000 years? Satan, thus Babylon is fallen because for the next 1000 years there will be NO CONFUSION ALLOWED any longer !! Mankind will compare living under Stan's rule vs. under Jesus Christs rule, and this will be a testimony against Satan when he is tried in 1000 years. 

Babylon = this WHOLE WORLD being CONFUSED by Satan.

 

The two great cities mentioned can not be one in the same. They have different parameters. The City of the Whore was destroyed by fire permanently before the Beast takes over. Then at the end of the Beast's reign God has to "remember" Babylon during the great earthquake that destroyed all nation, during the very end of the Tribulation. The first great city was destroyed before the second city.

Rev. 18:14 And they will say: “The fruit of your soul’s desire has departed from you; all your luxury and splendor have vanished, never to be seen again."

Rev. 18:21 Then a mighty angel picked up a stone the size of a great millstone and cast it into the sea, saying: “With such violence the great city of Babylon will be cast down, never to be seen again.…

 

[Revelation Man]

22 hours ago, Scott Free said:

The two great cities mentioned can not be one in the same. They have different parameters. The City of the Whore was destroyed by fire permanently before the Beast takes over. Then at the end of the Beast's reign God has to "remember" Babylon during the great earthquake that destroyed all nation, during the very end of the Tribulation. The first great city was destroyed before the second city.

Rev. 18:14 And they will say: “The fruit of your soul’s desire has departed from you; all your luxury and splendor have vanished, never to be seen again."

Rev. 18:21 Then a mighty angel picked up a stone the size of a great millstone and cast it into the sea, saying: “With such violence the great city of Babylon will be cast down, never to be seen again.…

You are confusing the TWO ENTITIES. The Harlot RIDES the Beast. Think of it this way, False Religion RIDES False Government. Both are seen as evil by God. In Rev. 17:3-6, John SAW the Harlot thus he references back to WHAT HE SAW in Rev. 17:18. The vision he was referring back unto as what he SAW, is only covered by 4 verses in total. BELOW:

Rev. 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, 1.) Babylon The Great, 2.)The Mother Of Harlots And 3.)Abominations Of The Earth 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Its not Mystery Babylon, it was never Mystery Babylon...........Mystery is a HEADER followed by Three Descriptors of the Harlot:

MYSTERY

Babylon The Great = one clue to who she is

Mother of Harlots = one clue unto who she is

Abominations of all the earth = one clue unto who she is.

Add up all three clues and the MYSTERY is solved, but in verse 7 the Angel makes it easy, he some COME and I will tell you the MYSTERY of the Woman AND the Beast who carries her, who has 7 Heads and 10 horns. So she has to be involved with ALL 7 of the Heads in some manner, what is she? Well, what did Egypt, Assyria, Babylon (especially Babylon), Persia, Greece and Rome all have in common? They had FALSE GODS !! Thus the Harlot = All False Religion of ALL-TIME. She is associated with Babylon more than any other city the city known for its false gods, we even got the Horoscope from Babylon. False Religion is the mother of Harlotry, and God sees any human serving of false gods as an ABOMINATION, He is a jealous God.

As per the colors Purple and Scarlet, research them, you know who used those colors almost exclusively 2000-2500 years ago ? Governments and Religious Orders, because those colors were so expensive to create. Thus they stand for Governments and Religious Orders The Harlot (False Religion) RIDES the Beast (False Governance). 

You can see Rev. 17 in Daniel 5, go read the story of Mene, Mene, Tekel, Nebuchadnezzar's son, Belshazzar took out the holy cups, platters, chalices etc. and he and all his wicked court ate and partied of of them, and that very night he got the handwriting on the wall, that said Babylon had fallen. 

We see in Rev. 17:16 that the Beast's Kings kill her off, that is because the Beast DEMANDS to be worshiped as the only god, thus there is no place for Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Witchcraft, or any other god to be worshiped, you will worship the Beast or die, thus the Harlot is KILLED OFF !! Instead of a Harlot via many false religions, the Beast appoints a Beast over Religion, the False Prophet, who MANDATES Beast Worship, just as Rev. 13 says he does, he creates an IMAGE of the Beast and all men must worship the IMAGE or die. You are conflating the Harlot (FLASE RELIGIONS) with the Beast Governments. All John is doing in Rev. 17:18 is REMEMBERING WHAT HE SAW !! The Angel tells him to REMEMBER what he saw, and what he saw was THAT CITY which is noted for FALSE RELIGION, Babylon the Great, thus Babylon is just one of three DESRIPTORS of who the Harlot is. In days of old a Harlot would wear a headband on her head so her clientele could recognize who she was, this HEADBAND is describing who this Harlot is unto us here, she is : Babylon the Great, The Mother of Harlots and an Abomination of the whole earth. All of these DESCRIBE False Religion. Babylon is world renowned for her false religion culture, and serving false gods is an Abomination. NOTICE ALSO: She has the blood of BOTH the Saints (Jewish Saints) AND the Martyrs of Jesus, why does John want us to know this? Because, he wants us to understand this has been going on on BOTH SIDES of the Cross. These people who loved false religion, killed Jews and Prophets, and they also killed Christians like the Romans did, and like Islam has for 1400 years. 

Rev. 17:16 says the Kings HATED the Harlot. In Rev. 18 it says the Kings CRIED & Lamented for Babylon when she burned. It is TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIRES brother, False Religion, which the 10 kings need to TAKE OUT since a true one world Government needs ONE RELIGION, and Babylon which when they see the WHOLE WORLD being pelted by God's Wrath, it saddens them to no end. Babylon or the whole world will be hit by the First Trump which burns all the grass and 1/3 of the trees on earth, then the Mountain or Asteroid that is cast into the sea kills 1/3 of the fish, destroys 1/3 of the ships, Trump #3 poisons 1/3 of the fresh waters via the Nuclear explosion, then Trump #4 sees the smoke dim the lights of the Sun and Moon. Three Woes are left, needless to say, this is why the Merchants of Babylon (WHOLE WORLD) are crying. 1/3 of all mankind are taken out by 200 Million Angels. The Anti-Christ kills 1/4 of mankind, that will had up to about 3 billion deaths, and we have a Billion who are Raptured pre 70th week.So half the world are dead (we die at the Rapture). 

All of the prose in Rev. 18 is about the JUDGMENT of the WHOLE WORLD. Babylon. The Harlot is killed of and Judged by the Kings of the Anti-Christ, Babylon is judged by God/Jesus. Look at Rev. 17:18, it says God PUT IT IN THEIR HEARTS to do His will. LOL

Just like He did Pharaoh, This Anti-Christ wants so much, in his own heart (See Daniel 11:36, he exalts himself) to be god that he does the will of God (Kills off all other Religions or JUDGES THEM) and thus all God is left with Judging is the Beast Worshipers. 

[Scott Free]

54 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

You are confusing the TWO ENTITIES. The Harlot RIDES the Beast. Think of it this way, False Religion RIDES False Government. Both are seen as evil by God. In Rev. 17:3-6, John SAW the Harlot thus he references back to WHAT HE SAW in Rev. 17:18. The vision he was referring back unto as what he SAW, is only covered by 4 verses in total. BELOW:

Rev. 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, 1.) Babylon The Great, 2.)The Mother Of Harlots And 3.)Abominations Of The Earth 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Its not Mystery Babylon, it was never Mystery Babylon...........Mystery is a HEADER followed by Three Descriptors of the Harlot:

MYSTERY

Babylon The Great = one clue to who she is

Mother of Harlots = one clue unto who she is

Abominations of all the earth = one clue unto who she is.

Add up all three clues and the MYSTERY is solved, but in verse 7 the Angel makes it easy, he some COME and I will tell you the MYSTERY of the Woman AND the Beast who carries her, who has 7 Heads and 10 horns. So she has to be involved with ALL 7 of the Heads in some manner, what is she? Well, what did Egypt, Assyria, Babylon (especially Babylon), Persia, Greece and Rome all have in common? They had FALSE GODS !! Thus the Harlot = All False Religion of ALL-TIME. She is associated with Babylon more than any other city the city known for its false gods, we even got the Horoscope from Babylon. False Religion is the mother of Harlotry, and God sees any human serving of false gods as an ABOMINATION, He is a jealous God.

As per the colors Purple and Scarlet, research them, you know who used those colors almost exclusively 2000-2500 years ago ? Governments and Religious Orders, because those colors were so expensive to create. Thus they stand for Governments and Religious Orders The Harlot (False Religion) RIDES the Beast (False Governance). 

You can see Rev. 17 in Daniel 5, go read the story of Mene, Mene, Tekel, Nebuchadnezzar's son, Belshazzar took out the holy cups, platters, chalices etc. and he and all his wicked court ate and partied of of them, and that very night he got the handwriting on the wall, that said Babylon had fallen. 

We see in Rev. 17:16 that the Beast's Kings kill her off, that is because the Beast DEMANDS to be worshiped as the only god, thus there is no place for Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Witchcraft, or any other god to be worshiped, you will worship the Beast or die, thus the Harlot is KILLED OFF !! Instead of a Harlot via many false religions, the Beast appoints a Beast over Religion, the False Prophet, who MANDATES Beast Worship, just as Rev. 13 says he does, he creates an IMAGE of the Beast and all men must worship the IMAGE or die. You are conflating the Harlot (FLASE RELIGIONS) with the Beast Governments. All John is doing in Rev. 17:18 is REMEMBERING WHAT HE SAW !! The Angel tells him to REMEMBER what he saw, and what he saw was THAT CITY which is noted for FALSE RELIGION, Babylon the Great, thus Babylon is just one of three DESRIPTORS of who the Harlot is. In days of old a Harlot would wear a headband on her head so her clientele could recognize who she was, this HEADBAND is describing who this Harlot is unto us here, she is : Babylon the Great, The Mother of Harlots and an Abomination of the whole earth. All of these DESCRIBE False Religion. Babylon is world renowned for her false religion culture, and serving false gods is an Abomination. NOTICE ALSO: She has the blood of BOTH the Saints (Jewish Saints) AND the Martyrs of Jesus, why does John want us to know this? Because, he wants us to understand this has been going on on BOTH SIDES of the Cross. These people who loved false religion, killed Jews and Prophets, and they also killed Christians like the Romans did, and like Islam has for 1400 years. 

Rev. 17:16 says the Kings HATED the Harlot. In Rev. 18 it says the Kings CRIED & Lamented for Babylon when she burned. It is TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIRES brother, False Religion, which the 10 kings need to TAKE OUT since a true one world Government needs ONE RELIGION, and Babylon which when they see the WHOLE WORLD being pelted by God's Wrath, it saddens them to no end. Babylon or the whole world will be hit by the First Trump which burns all the grass and 1/3 of the trees on earth, then the Mountain or Asteroid that is cast into the sea kills 1/3 of the fish, destroys 1/3 of the ships, Trump #3 poisons 1/3 of the fresh waters via the Nuclear explosion, then Trump #4 sees the smoke dim the lights of the Sun and Moon. Three Woes are left, needless to say, this is why the Merchants of Babylon (WHOLE WORLD) are crying. 1/3 of all mankind are taken out by 200 Million Angels. The Anti-Christ kills 1/4 of mankind, that will had up to about 3 billion deaths, and we have a Billion who are Raptured pre 70th week.So half the world are dead (we die at the Rapture). 

All of the prose in Rev. 18 is about the JUDGMENT of the WHOLE WORLD. Babylon. The Harlot is killed of and Judged by the Kings of the Anti-Christ, Babylon is judged by God/Jesus. Look at Rev. 17:18, it says God PUT IT IN THEIR HEARTS to do His will. LOL

Just like He did Pharaoh, This Anti-Christ wants so much, in his own heart (See Daniel 11:36, he exalts himself) to be god that he does the will of God (Kills off all other Religions or JUDGES THEM) and thus all God is left with Judging is the Beast Worshipers. 

Revelation Man, it is called a mystery for a reason. Your guess is as good as mine. I just see way too many contradictions with your stance. Throwing a lot of scripture at me did not prove your point. I am not certain what your point was, besides being condescending. Yes, the Harlot is separate from the Beast and not a nation of his kingdom. And yes spirits and the principals through which they govern are the same in a metaphysical sense. 

Edited January 13, 2021 by Scott Free

[Revelation Man]

9 minutes ago, Scott Free said:

It is called a mystery for a reason. Your guess is as good as mine. I just see way too many contradictions with your stance. Throwing a lot of scripture at me did not prove your point. I am not certain what your point was, besides being condescending. 

NO............Read verse 7, COME and I will SHOW YOU the MYSTERY..........its not a Mystery anymore. Mystery, or MUSTERION in the Greek means in essence, a Secret by God's Silence or TO SHUT THE MOUTH, it Means God is not revealing something unto us or has yet to reveal it. Thus in verse 7 all of that changes.

Rev. 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

It's not a guess, the Angel reveals the SECRET unto us in Rv. 17 and 18 as per to WHO the Harlot AND the Beast is. It is TWO ENTITIES, like I stated, All False Religion of ALL TIME and False Governance. I had a blog on this 5 or so years ago.

There is nothing to prove, I now what it means brother.

[Scott Free]

1 minute ago, Revelation Man said:

NO............Read verse 7, COME and I will SHOW YOU the MYSTERY..........its not a Mystery anymore. Mystery, or MUSTERION in the Greek means in essence, a Secret by God's Silence or TO SHUT THE MOUTH, it Means God is not revealing something unto us or has yet to reveal it. Thus in verse 7 all of that changes.

Rev. 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

It's not a guess, the Angel reveals the SECRET unto us in Rv. 17 and 18 as per to WHO the Harlot AND the Beast is. It is TWO ENTITIES, like I stated, All False Religion of ALL TIME and False Governance. I had a blog on this 5 or so years ago.

There is nothing to prove, I now what it means brother.

Where does the Bible say the Mystery is a religion?

[R. Hartono]

Vatican was said to be the richest institution.

Edited January 15, 2021 by R. Hartono