Does water baptism precede regeneration?

[Peterlag]

3 hours ago, clancy said:

Hello Peter, can you explain what John 3:5 means please.

Jesus was talking to Nicodemus.

 

Jesus answered .I tell you the truth,no-one can enter the Kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

We are all born of water. It is mostly what our bodies are. Jesus was saying we need the spirit to enter in to everlasting life.

We were called in him. (Romans 8:29-30)
We were made alive with him. (Colossians 2:13)
We were baptized into him. (Romans 6:3)
We were reconciled in him. (Romans 5:10)
We were redeemed by him. (1 Peter 1:18-19)
We were justified in him. (Romans 3:24)
We were made righteous in him. (Romans 5:16-18)
We were sanctified in him. (1 Corinthians 6:11)
We were glorified in him. (Romans 8:30)

[Peterlag]

3 hours ago, OneLight said:

I see you ignored the passage I gave you.  Is it because you refuse to accept correction?  Here is it again. 

1 Corinthians 1:14-18

I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name.  Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas.  Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other.  For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.

Only God baptizes with the Holy Spirit, so any other baptism is by water.

I did not ignore anything. Perhaps you did not like my reply and therefore could not see it. Water is not mentioned. It appears Paul is saying Christ did not send him to be concerned with water. From the habit of tradition, and only for a short period of time, a small handful of people were baptized with water into the New Testament, but never again afterwards.

[Peterlag]

3 hours ago, OneLight said:

If it means nothing, why would Jesus tells people to be baptized?  People cannot baptize anyone with the Holy Spirit, only water.  God is the only one who can baptize with the Holy Spirit.  Not sure where you are getting your theology from, but it really needs to be set beside scripture to see if it is true or of man.

Jesus was talking to the Jews. Christian doctrine had not yet happened since Jesus had not yet been resurrected. You keep quoiting Old Testament or Gospel data.

[Starise]

Just a word of caution Peter. It could happen accidentally.

 

 

[Waggles]

3 hours ago, Regenerated-Adult said:

Why do you find this hard to understand?

Because it is wrong.

Jesus is referring to water baptism. Jesus is not saying unless a man is born and alive then he must be born again.

Obviously it goes without saying that only living people can repent and believe in Jesus as their Saviour.

water baptism and Holy Spirit baptism go together and are referred to later in the NT as one baptism > one way of doing things > one faith

[Waggles]

46 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

I don't see water when the Scriptures say baptized with Christ. And I don't know why you do. I have been...

Your replies are woefully inadequate. 

Edited February 9, 2021 by Waggles

[Charlie744]

12 minutes ago, Waggles said:

Your replies are woefully inadequate. 

I and others present scripture verses clearly indicating that water baptism is what the author is writing of and all you can do is skip over and push the play button on your tape recorder.

You are truly a person with a paper bag over your head. 

Waggles, if you do not mind, I think you might want to dial it back a little... 

I am quite sure you realize there are hundreds of millions of Christians that do not subscribe to your beliefs... 

It would be terrific if we all saw and interpreted the Scriptures in exactly the same way... but that will never happen.

Whether our beliefs originate from early childhood and from repetition and constant reinforcing of those doctrines, or from a lifetime of our own searching and interpretations, we can not “go to war”, if you will over our belief and understanding of the Scriptures.

Heck, the RCC murdered and tortured tens of millions in the name of Christ to those who dare disagree with their doctrine. 

Just my thoughts and, again if you do not mind, take ONE verse that supports your understanding of water baptism and share your thoughts on it and what it is saying to you... stay on this ONE verse until BOTH sides hear each other’s position... 

Best wishes, Charlie 

[Peterlag]

1 hour ago, Waggles said:

Your replies are woefully inadequate. 

My replies are very good if you can see the Christ. If you want to see men and how they clean up themselves? Then for you I make no sense because I teach Christ and you teach yourself.

[OneLight]

2 hours ago, Peterlag said:

Jesus was talking to the Jews. Christian doctrine had not yet happened since Jesus had not yet been resurrected. You keep quoiting Old Testament or Gospel data.

You are putting Jesus in a very small box with your theology.  Do you think His words were not meant for all who are His?  Tell me, do you think scripture from Acts to Revelations are the only part of the Bible meant for today?

[OneLight]

2 hours ago, Peterlag said:

I did not ignore anything. Perhaps you did not like my reply and therefore could not see it. Water is not mentioned. It appears Paul is saying Christ did not send him to be concerned with water. From the habit of tradition, and only for a short period of time, a small handful of people were baptized with water into the New Testament, but never again afterwards.

Cherry picking scripture to fit your theology is a sure sign of weakness and/or false teaching.  Water baptism is mentioned in other verses, which you are ignoring.  My question to you is why are you ignoring scripture that does speak of water baptism that the Apostles did perform?