Futurism

[Charlie744]

4 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

You lost me.  

Don't worry DeighAnn, I have plenty of food to share.... Charlie

[Charlie744]

3 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

Those errors are also 100% based off the English Translated Bible like the KJV.

 

All one needs to do is to read the kjv compared to the original Hebrew to see where the errors are being made at.

I don't know about that..... the "accepted interpretations" of some 2.4 BILLION in Daniel 9 are not the result of translation concerns... 

I do not want to put words in your mouth, but I don't believe you may find the same interpretations of Daniel 9 that I do...(again, not to state that I am right ... but I am right and very comfortable for me!)

Do you see "he" as the Messiah?

Do you see the "7 years" as the last week in Daniel?

So on ... mentioned my interpretations to you earlier.. won't bore you with them again.. Charlie

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Waggles said:

Matthew 26:26  Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” 
26:27  And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, 
26:28  for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 
26:29  I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.” 

John 19:30  When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

For a week?

[Waggles]

16 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

For a week?

Did you not read my previous posts on this?

[Charlie744]

1 hour ago, SONshine said:

Oh Charlie,  do you not know; have you not heard?  Jesus Christ came at His first advent, riding upon a lowly ass to pay the price for our sins and to bring salvation to whosoever will turn to Him in repentance and believe in Him.  However, when He returns at the second advent following the reign of antichrist (the “king of Babylon” of the latter days, of whom Nebuchadnezzar was a type) Jesus will be riding on a white horse, with the heavenly armies following Him also riding upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean (which is the righteousness of the saints).

Well, I will have to trust you on this Revelation thing... haven't gotten there yet... but I don't see anything I may have mentioned that disagrees with you here... except I am going to have to ask you to stop referring to me as an "ass"... was that directly at me?

1 hour ago, SONshine said:

Jesus will be coming to smite the nations and to establish the ruling kingdom of God upon this earth and to rule with a rod of iron and to tread the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.  In other words, Jesus  is coming as King of kings and Lord of lords!  ....and as it is written, every knee shall bow to His name.

Rev. 19:14-16 
And the armies which were in heaven followed Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

[15] And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

[16] And he hath on His vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

 

Can't speak to this funny stuff in Revelation.... but for now, if you told me that Hillary Clinton was specifically mentioned as the Whore of Babylon in Revelation, I would trust your judgement... 

1 hour ago, SONshine said:

 

Now back to Daniel 2; did Shadrach, Meschach, and Abednego ever bow a knee to the image of the king of Babylon (a type for Satan)?  Absolutely not—not even in the face of certain death.  Charlie, Jesus Christ Himself referred to the words of the prophet Daniel as the book for the reader to understand concerning the abomination of desolation, who is antichrist, the king of Babylon of the last days, Satan posing as Jesus who comes at the sound of the 6th Trump and stands in the holy place bringing in his storm of deception and flood of lies upon the earth.  

Nope, we have to depart here SONshine...... and I am crying right now about this.... anyway, Daniel is definitely speaking of the "abomination" that CAUSES "desolation"....This is not a boogeyman of the last days... (AND I MUST STAY WITHIN DANIEL AND NOT TRY AND INTERPRET DANIEL WITH VERSES IN REVELATION.... The book of Daniel is more than able to speak for itself.... but tell me, the entire book of Daniel is about the restoration of the Jews for the last time of their existence (as the Chosen people of God to introduce and teach the world of the One and Only True God). They failed at this and now God would have to accomplish this task without the Jews chosen by God Himself for this purpose. He would do this after the Cross by never again allowing or trusting ANY GROUP OR MAN to represent and teach HIS Word and Plan of Salvation!!!! He would now turn this completely over to His most trusted ONE - the Holy Spirit (this is why it is SO unexceptable for anyone to even consider following the RCC... they have completely ignored this message.. instead, they immediately jumped right in where they saw a vacuum of one "chosen by God" to be the new church or teacher... and they now replaced those nasty Jews who killed OUR SAVIOR...Follow me they say and this is the only way to heaven.......(each and every day they sign their checks with "little horn", do not cash until the second coming).

But I must ask you to try and imagine what act or event (then or in the near future) could possibly come close (and I am talking a billion miles plus or minus) to the definition of an "abomination" than the crucifixion of the Messiah..... The entire book of Daniel leads us to His coming, His fulfillments, His crucifixion ..... yet we THINK to equate an event in the future that eclipses His crucifixion?  The ONLY time there are ANY BREAKS OR DISCONNECTS IN THE THEME OF DANIEL IS WHEN WE (RCC) attempt to SELECT those certain terms or phrases within the same verses that speak of the Messiah and say, oh no, these belong some 2,000 years in the future.... really? 

This does not mean that those "things", whatever they are, that WILL take place according to Revelation, but these "things" selectively chosen for ONE AND ONE purpose only  - to remove the papacy as being identified as the "little horn", belong in Daniel not Revelation. 

1 hour ago, SONshine said:

Matthew 24:15 
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Charlie, do you not understand that Nebuchadnezzar was specifically chosen by God to be His servant?

Of course I do, so was Cyrus and Titus and Nicodemus and Haman and the Pharaoh and Obama.... so......... we have to be careful to recognize the purpose God has made or chosen for them..... 

1 hour ago, SONshine said:

 giving us as a type of the king of Babylon of the last days?  God can and will use whomsoever He chooses to carry out His wondrous plan of salvation.  

I will believe my God.  He has written us a wonderful letter so that we may know Him and understand all things that we must know.  

We completely agree here SONshine, but first things first.... He had Daniel write about Him and His first coming..... nothing more important in Daniel that the coming of the Messiah..... God has a lot of time and another 27 books He will commission to discuss what He wants us to understand ab0ut the OT after the Cross and those things (Revelation) that WILL TAKE PLACE ...... SOON!

This is why the RCC's misinterpretation is so destructive, it removes them from the title given them (my opinion) of the "little horn" AND those things they will speak and do against HIM during the next 2,000 years..... they are and show us just how willing and able they are to corrupt the Word of God and create such a terrible series of lies and falsehoods just to gain and stay in power on the earth and be treated as God's true church and representative... He specifically selected them to be HIS God on earth with the power to forgive sins, save souls, be infallible in their speech, change HIS 4th commandment and so much more..... 

I have said this a million times and I really don't  believe another million times will change anything since I have absolutely no standing or importance in this community (theology, religion, history, etc.,) but God has given us all the information we need to interpret Daniel... the only information HE did NOT reveal to us in Daniel is EXACTLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN AT THE END OF TIMES...Chapter 12 tells us the end result but not the kind of detail He gave us in Daniel about His first coming... 

I suspect that Revelation is the explosion of detail for Daniel's chapter 12.... but everything else is detail and events at from Daniel's time to the coming of the Messiah.... (not considering the DESOLATION at 70 AD or the mentioning of the "little horn" and his doings...

 Charlie

[Charlie744]

34 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

For a week?

Not sure what you are referring to here but I am going to ASSUME you are referring to the mention of a 7 year period in chapter 9?

Yes, this represents the last week in Daniel's 70 week prophecy.... the complete restoration starts and stops after 70 weeks (Jewish restoration), not the restoration of ALL THINGS which will end at His second coming.

Doesn't this fit perfectly with the first 69  weeks of the 70? I mentioned many times and if you do not agree, that is fine, but you will / might tell me why you may not agree, but the 69th week represents  those "physical things" that God  told us would be completed ... and they were! Once the 69th week was over, the Messiah would come and He did on the very first day of the 70th week.... completely eliminates the RCC contention or anyone else's "gap" theory.... ridiculous.... The Messiah would / could not come to earth without His people, His Temple, His land, His city ready and complete for His coming.... How could or would He be able to complete all those things prophesied about HIM in the OT Scriptures?  

If the Temple was still under construction, how would He enter on Psalm Sunday, or have the Passover feast or all the other things the Scriptures said He would do during those 3.5 years ministry?  No, there could not be any "construction tape" around Jerusalem keeping people safe from falling debris... or signs that will tell the Messiah the Passover will be pushed back another two weeks due to a labor strike and we still have a punch list to complete....

Everything that had to be completed in the 69 week period had to be ready for the coming Messiah....so He would be able to fulfill those things that would now be designated as "His responsibilities" to be completed / fulfilled AFTER EVERYTHING ELSE WAS READY FOR HIM...This last and final week of Daniel or 7 years would reflect the allotted time He would complete HIS mission and those things identified in Daniel 9:24...If you look at those 6 things from MAN'S VIEWPOINT YOU WILL NOT ACCEPT THEY WERE FULFILLED... BUT FROM THE MESSIAH'S  POINT OF VIEW HE WOULD DO EACH AND EVERYONE OF THEM. .... He did not remove all sins, He removed all sins from us IF WE WOULD BELIEVE IN HIM.... Charlie 

[Charlie744]

Just now, SONshine said:

@Charlie744

Okay, in your opinion, what exactly is the abomination that causes desolation?  As succinctly as you can (one sentence), name the abomination and the desolation that it causes.  

Thanks 

Ok and it is the same as I mentioned to you in the PM I sent you...

The “abomination” is simply the most horrific act that had or would ever occur on the face of this planet- we crucified God! If you could identify anything close to that please let me know! 

This “act”, the crucifixion of our Messiah would be punished by God against the Jews in a manner they had never or would not ever again experience! The was the last time they as a nation would be given the opportunity to continue in their “typical” routine where they disobeyed God, He would punish them, they are repent and He would once again restore them... NO, enough was enough! Their restoration from Babylon was the last straw... now they would not disobey God but they would crucify Him... this is no longer a “misdemeanor”, this is a first class felony and now their punishment would fit the crime - they would be completely destroyed and they, their land, their city, their Temple would all be made “desolate”. God would never again need them (corporately) to fulfill the mission He had given them. Now, that mission would be turned over to His HS... this would be THE punishment on Israel.. complete “desolation”.

Just my thoughts, Charlie 

 

[Marathoner]

On 3/20/2021 at 5:06 PM, canada said:

Sower ... I believe the blood of Jesus trumps all that Darkness.

Do you still make the mark with the right hand since leaving the Church of Rome?

Do you still participate in the ritual of Ash Wednesday?

If not, I believe HIS blood washes you clean from these traditions.

When we read the following passage from the book of The Revelation of Jesus Christ, my friend, what does it say?

Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb." (Revelation 14:9-10 NASB)

Clearly, those who worship the beast and receive a mark on his forehead or hand will partake of God's wrath and will be tormented with fire and brimstone. Our brother @Sower read exactly the same thing as I did in your post where you claim that infant baptism by the RCC applies the mark of the beast to the infant.

But I know of many who belong to the Lord and were called out of the Catholic Church, so the ritual of infant baptism cannot be the mark of the beast, now can it? I'm certain that some who are reading this topic would like to know how you can make such an assertion, but then write what you did above? 

It's confusing to many of us. You contradict yourself and the scriptures by what you wrote, @canada. Very confusing. 

[Waggles]

Here is some speculation as to what it all means ... 

Rev 17:9  This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; [Rome]
17:10  they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while. 
17:11  As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction. [alive when Jesus returns??]

1929 - The Lateran Treaty
Agreements between the Kingdom of Italy under King Victor Emanuel III and the Holy See under Pope Pius XI in June 1929. 
The treaty recognized Vatican City as an independent state under the sovereignty of the Holy See. 
The Italian government also agreed to give the Roman Catholic Church financial compensation for the loss of the Papal States.
In 1948, the Lateran Treaty was recognized in the Constitution of Italy as regulating the relations between the state and the Catholic Church.

Popes since 1929 are 8 

Pius XI 1922-1939
Pius XII 1939-1958
John XXIII 1958-1963
Paul VI 1963-1978
John Paul I 1978-1978 (33 days)
Paul John II 1978-2005
Benedict XVI 2005-2013 (resigned stepped down 28/02/2013)
Francis I 2013- ??

[Guest kingdombrat]

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

I don't know about that..... the "accepted interpretations" of some 2.4 BILLION in Daniel 9 are not the result of translation concerns... 

I do not want to put words in your mouth, but I don't believe you may find the same interpretations of Daniel 9 that I do...(again, not to state that I am right ... but I am right and very comfortable for me!)

Do you see "he" as the Messiah?

Do you see the "7 years" as the last week in Daniel?

So on ... mentioned my interpretations to you earlier.. won't bore you with them again.. Charlie

I am saying even the RCC is basing off the Latin Vulgate, like the KJV proponents are ultimately basing this off the Latin Vulgate translations.   Which is why I use the Tanakh that is solely based off the Ancient Hebrew Scrolls.

 

But in just using the kjv/Latin Vulgate alone, I definitely see where they've made such conclusions.