Futurism

[Your closest friendnt]

13 minutes ago, leah777 said:

AH! fathom - like sea measurement of depth. Thankyou. I will stop hijacking thread now.

Justin has not complained but in a very courteous way he has tried to accommodate your questions and that shows a man of great maturity. 

God bless him

[leah777]

3 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Justin has not complained but in a very courteous way he has tried to accommodate your questions and that shows a man of great maturity. 

God bless him

Agree.  Justin is a kind and loving person. Blessings to him indeed.

Edited April 4, 2021 by leah777

[Alive]

53 minutes ago, leah777 said:

AH! fathom - like sea measurement of depth. Thankyou. I will stop hijacking thread now.

I'm having some fun now and will continue the ocean analogy. The enormity of God and Jesus Christ is the ocean...

I used to spend a lot of time in an ocean kayak going great distances. I used to think about the vastness of what was under me and I could not for all I was worth--take it all in. It was very intimidating to imagine that vastness and all it contains, how it came to be and the relationship between it and the larger ecosphere and all its many variables and dynamics. This makes one feel quite small.

And yet, I could enjoy floating on it and experiencing the benefits thereby. I was in a real sense carried by the ocean though in any given instant touching only a fraction of the totality.

Being in Christ is something like that.

Ain't God Good?

 

[Your closest friendnt]

1.  The fact that I am willing to discuss this matter it does not mean for others to come to their own conclusion TO STEREOTYPED ME as to what I believe about Jesus because I enter this endeavor as a means to discover what Jesus Christ says about himself. 

2.  This question cannot be answer with clarity as it is because in any answer whether in a yes or in a no they will be a number of different meanings and the group that agrees with yes they will disagree on a further examination of what and who God is. 

2(a)   Both answers can have multiple meanings and they may start with an agreement and they may disagree on further examination as to what they mean when they said yes.

3.  Jesus is not like anyone of us who did not pre-exist before our conception. 

4.  Before we answer the question at hand we have to look at the same time in the question whether or not Jesus was a man or not.

5.  This is of paramount importance because Jesus Christ is the Mediator between Man and God.

6.  Because from the scriptures we learn that God could not be a mediator between God and man. 

7.  If that was possible then it could have happened before the Cross and before the Law and the Temple. 

8.  It did not happen through Abraham, it did not happen through Moses and it did not happen through Aaron. And not through John the Baptist. 

9.  It can only happen through to what Moses said, through the one whom God will raised up, someone from among your own people, someone from you, him to follow in what he says to you.

10.  The most important question is who will shed the blood of the new Covenant. 

11.  Who is eligible to shed the blood of the new Covenant? 

12.  Who is the Lamb of God? Who will fulfill the promise God gave to Abraham? 

13.  And to your question,  what is important, is it what the scriptures say about the question at hand or what any other one of say. 

Can we have the answer through scripture?  

 

Edited April 4, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Alive]

3 minutes ago, Josheb said:

If I may, 

I posted an op on the value of theology and learning from those who have walked the faith before us. In that op (here) it was suggested theology and the knowledge of others' knowledge serves as a "map" of the ocean, a vast ocean pertaining to God that while vast looking from the shoreside is even more vastly vast when venturing off the shore into the midst of the ocean. That analogy was implicitly limited to sailing upon the ocean but the truth is the surface of the ocean is just a very, very, very minuscule part of the ocean, an ocean that is in some place miles deep and it has taken humans centuries to visit those depths and we still do so only through various devices because we cannot go there in and of ourselves unaided. To step outside of the bathysphere in the Mariana Trench would mean near-instant death. 

And the before and after of that moment would also teach us something of the ocean - something of God and our relationship therein. 

Amen!

"If there's one thing in this life I'm missing, its the time that I spent alone........"

Seriously---we need all members of the Body and benefit from what has been realized and experienced.  Myself---I believe that this is true in two realms. One while in this earthly existence and functionally valid and also in the invisible realm, where the validity is as much a reality--although we can't touch it with 'tactile' facility.

The Church and the Body of Christ is a reality and transcendant.

[Justin Adams]

2 minutes ago, Josheb said:

(just kidding)

Hmm. Sometimes veracity is couched in jest...

[Alive]

Its interesting. I just went to the back yard where my wife was sitting enjoying the morning sun and watching the dog run around and she asked me what I thought it was going to be like with us when the Lord returns. I suggested some thoughts along the lines of what we have been talking about--the ocean and vastness and seeing only partially now and how we will see more fully then.

It occurred to me that the contrast of the analogy can't even touch the reality of the difference between what we can know now and then.

She was outside thinking about the same things being discussed on the forum.

These things have been for me an indicator of the continuity within the Body of Christ and an indicator of what is happening in the unseen realm.

There is a future and it is going to be grand---but there is a contiguous  bit of continuity between the now and the then and its ALL 'CHRIST'.

Perhaps this is worthy of contemplation and the perspective available.

[debrakay]

John 14:6 (NIV)
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 1:1-2 (NIV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. 

My faith tells me that Jesus is God the Father in the flesh.  He came to walk in the same kind of shoes you and I walk in and experience the human form just as you and I do.  My faith tells me that this human form is temporary and the spiritual form comes next (whatever form He wants) for those whose spirit is aligned with the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.  For me, I only require this simple faith in what I believe is the truth.  Each other person must find their own simple truth. The need for all of my human questions to be answered is not at the top of my spiritual quest list.  I feel I am way out of my depths in responding to many of these topics but maybe my simple ways are enough for one other.  

[Justin Adams]

34 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Great op, btw. What do make of the fact few have attended to its actual content? 

Tongue in cheek.. I think you know the answer to that question. Ahh, maybe it's in the book, "The late Great Planet Pygmalion".

[Justin Adams]

2 hours ago, Alive said:

Ain't God Good?

 

Indeed. I felt the same way flying. Either commercial or self-piloting. Very sobering and feeling very small and knowing God is VERY big. I hope motorcycles in heaven have wings...

Edited April 4, 2021 by Justin Adams