Futurism

[Guest kingdombrat]

1 hour ago, Heleadethme said:

I just wonder what is the average believer supposed to do, not many have scholarly abilities, or the time and energy between raising children and trying to keep food on the table and a roof over the head.  Is the word of God over the head of little children that He says we are supposed to become like?  

Look at your own life.   How long was it from possibly growing up in a Church environment, hearing people discussing the Word of God, and just basically being in a position of belief.   Then one day as you grew older, you had questions.   From that moment on you've been a [Student of God] like the rest of us who go through similar settings.

 

Those you worry about not knowing God's Word will have their own time when they will have their own questions and go to the Bible searching.

This is just the progression from going in life as Believer to one day becoming a Student of God.  

God made sure we all go through this.

Just like You did, I have, and those still who don't understand God's Word, there is a time coming when they will become the "Student."

Edited April 10, 2021 by kingdombrat

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, kingdombrat said:

Look at your own life.   How long was it from possibly growing up in a Church environment, hearing people discussing the Word of God, and just basically being in a position of belief.   Then one day as you grew older, you had questions.   From that moment on you've been a [Student of God] like the rest of us who go through similar settings.

 

Those you worry about not knowing God's Word will have their own time when they will have their own questions and go to the Bible searching.

This is just the progression from going in life as Believer to one day becoming a Student of God.  

God made sure we all go through this.

Just like You did, I have, and those still who don't understand God's Word, there is a time coming when they will become the "Student."

Amen.  Being taught by the Lord.....weaned from the milk of "mother church" and learning to eat strong meat. 

[Heleadethme]

2 hours ago, Alive said:

As far as our common salvation, sister---it is simple and the Lord gives the Light that each one needs. That is of primary importance. I share with you a 'spaghetti head'.

The Lord knows--He is after all, the Great Shepherd. If we are taught that He cares for us and that we are securely in His hands--all storms can be ridden out.

God Bless and keep you as I am convinced He is.

Thank you brother.....looking forward to the day when we will no longer be looking through a glass darkly!  In the meantime I wonder how much does God need us to be intellectual anyhow, when His strength is perfected in our weakness.  Blessed are you who know your need...of Him.

[Alive]

3 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Thank you brother.....looking forward to the day when we will no longer be looking through a glass darkly!  In the meantime I wonder how much does God need us to be intellectual anyhow, when His strength is perfected in our weakness.  Blessed are you who know your need...of Him.

THe Lord God Almighty loves diversity---we are all different.

I for one and mighty glad of it.

:-)

[Heleadethme]

20 minutes ago, Josheb said:

I am encouraged we have agreement in these regards, Heleadethme. 

 

But the salient matter is veracity of premise everything will be shaken until no more shaking can further occur. Upon critical examination of scripture that proves not to be an accurate reflection of scripture. We agree caution with scripture and illumination should be taken and not liberties. Good.

 

Apply the caution to the stated premise. Shaking does not occur all the time everywhere in perpetuity and much of what the prophets spoke has come and gone......according to the scriptures as the Holy Spirit has revealed and illuminated them.

Heb 12:27

And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made (temporal/earthly), that those things which cannot be shaken may remain (spiritual/heavenly).

Well I will just share this with you brother, iron sharpening iron.  What has been will be again, there is nothing new under the sun....that is one key the Lord taught me in understanding scripture...so expect to see at least a second repeat of a pattern, so to speak.  Another key is that He speaks to us in parables, so expect to see lots of allegory.....and a third key is that "one thing you have spoken, two things have I heard, that you o Lord are great"...meaning He is great in the Spirit, He speaks to us in spirit, saying more than one thing at the same time, or speaking on more than one level at the same time.   There are things that can't be taught by man, we must learn them from the Lord...we need ears to hear what the SPIRIT is saying....and we learn more as we grow more and everyone is in a different place in their growth. 

Who can fathom the Lord?  We really can't.  We are just not sufficient of ourselves.  But I believe we should approach His word the way His word says to, not the way man tendeth to.  His ways and His thoughts are higher than man's.  The Lord just can't be contained in the boxes of our making.  We in our humanity tend to want everything wrapped up neatly and tied with a bow with our methodologies (because it makes us feel in control for one thing) but He just won't be confined that way.  He wants to lead us out of our comfort zones and that takes faith and trust in Him, in His keeping power.

[Heleadethme]

36 minutes ago, Alive said:

THe Lord God Almighty loves diversity---we are all different.

I for one and mighty glad of it.

:-)

Yes, as long we are relying on Him.  The flesh profits nothing.

[Keras]

2 hours ago, Josheb said:

And you think that is what God is saying in the scriptures?

Just wanting to make sure I am understanding you correctly. You take the word "fire" literally." You take the mention of the source, the sun, literally. Do I understand you correctly? 

If so, would it be correct of me to understand you as a rule take prophecy literally wherever possible? 

That is three questions. 

Where a literal application is possible, yes I do. But for things like 7 headed monsters; no, I don't.      Common sense and logic are required. 

The fact that the Lord will send fire to destroy His enemies on His Day of vengeance and wrath, is comprehensively prophesied. He used water the first time, a natural substance and the next time it will be fire. From the heavens, the sun; Isaiah 30:26-30, Psalms 11:4-6, 2 Peter 3:7, +

When all the prophesies about the forthcoming Lord's terrible Day of wrath are considered, it is clear that a CME is the only thing that can fulfil them. He will instigate a CME of unprecedented magnitude, which will strike the Middle East at mid day and will wipe out all the ungodly peoples in that entire area. Zephaniah 2:4-5, Zephaniah 1:12-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 10:18, +  Only a remnant of Christian Jews will survive; Isaiah 6:11-13, Romans 9:27

[Marathoner]

5 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

The Spirit and the word agree.....He illuminates as well as connects dots, fills in gaps and gives life to God's word so that it gives life to us.

I agree up to a point with the rest....keeping in mind our reliance upon HIM and that we are to compare spiritual things with spiritual.  I just wonder what is the average believer supposed to do, not many have scholarly abilities, or the time and energy between raising children and trying to keep food on the table and a roof over the head.  Is the word of God over the head of little children that He says we are supposed to become like?  And what am I supposed to do.....the change of life has not been kind to me, and I have a head full of overcooked spaghetti......help me Lord, and I ask that with tears in my eyes.

Psa 131:1

[[A Song of degrees of David.]] LORD, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.

 

You are not alone, dear sister. What is the faith of a child?

Jesus Christ is here and His Spirit says, Come. 

We believe Him as only a child could and so we run to Him. He will never turn us away nor cast us out. We trust Him as a child trusts that the sun will rise and we're comforted by Him during the darkness of night, just as a parent comforts their child who is afraid of the shadows. My peace I give to you and My peace I leave with you, the Holy One says, not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not be troubled nor afraid. 

He is the God of the living, not the dead. The scriptures testify of this and much more and so a child believes that the Living One speaks here and now. His voice is not an echo graven in stone nor printed upon paper; those things only serve to testify of His glory without end. The Lord is pleased with the poor and contrite in spirit, those who tremble at every word spoken from His mouth. They are His children, the sons and daughters of God. 

The Lord Almighty looks to the lowly as His resting place to the consternation of the wise, those who believe they have eternal life in the scriptures. It never occurs to them to run to the Son of the living God so they might have Life. They don't believe He is here.

Children do believe, so take heart because you're not alone, my friend. I'm an idiot so you're in good company.   

[Heleadethme]

34 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

You are not alone, dear sister. What is the faith of a child?

Jesus Christ is here and His Spirit says, Come. 

We believe Him as only a child could and so we run to Him. He will never turn us away nor cast us out. We trust Him as a child trusts that the sun will rise and we're comforted by Him during the darkness of night, just as a parent comforts their child who is afraid of the shadows. My peace I give to you and My peace I leave with you, the Holy One says, not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not be troubled nor afraid. 

He is the God of the living, not the dead. The scriptures testify of this and much more and so a child believes that the Living One speaks here and now. His voice is not an echo graven in stone nor printed upon paper; those things only serve to testify of His glory without end. The Lord is pleased with the poor and contrite in spirit, those who tremble at every word spoken from His mouth. They are His children, the sons and daughters of God. 

The Lord Almighty looks to the lowly as His resting place to the consternation of the wise, those who believe they have eternal life in the scriptures. It never occurs to them to run to the Son of the living God so they might have Life. They don't believe He is here.

Children do believe, so take heart because you're not alone, my friend. I'm an idiot so you're in good company.   

Well, it's nice to meet you Idiot, my name is Dum-dum.  LOL!    I think the Lord intends to make fools of us all.  By the time He got through with Moses in the wilderness Moses was denying he ever was a great man in Egypt...he wasn't lying, but it's because he came to realize that was never really his true self to begin with.   Life has a way of forcing us into certain molds, but our true self is still really a child who needs it's true Father.  In following Jesus He is leading us back to the Father....it is by Jesus that we come to the Father.

[Marathoner]

3 hours ago, Keras said:

Where a literal application is possible, yes I do. But for things like 7 headed monsters; no, I don't.      Common sense and logic are required. 

The fact that the Lord will send fire to destroy His enemies on His Day of vengeance and wrath, is comprehensively prophesied. He used water the first time, a natural substance and the next time it will be fire. From the heavens, the sun; Isaiah 30:26-30, Psalms 11:4-6, 2 Peter 3:7, +

When all the prophesies about the forthcoming Lord's terrible Day of wrath are considered, it is clear that a CME is the only thing that can fulfil them. He will instigate a CME of unprecedented magnitude, which will strike the Middle East at mid day and will wipe out all the ungodly peoples in that entire area. Zephaniah 2:4-5, Zephaniah 1:12-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 10:18, +  Only a remnant of Christian Jews will survive; Isaiah 6:11-13, Romans 9:27

Coronal Mass Ejections (CMEs) were first observed in 1971. Common sense dictates that such phenomena were unknown to the ancients whom the Lord inspired but they indeed knew about the Sun, evident to all on earth with the unaided eye. What therefore prevented the ancient from writing, "fire from the Sun?" 

Your argument is fruit of the futurist tree, my friend. A futurist looks at the scriptures and bends them in order to fit their insular perspective in defiance of "common sense and logic." 

Edited April 10, 2021 by Marathoner