Futurism

[Your closest friendnt]

7 hours ago, Keras said:

 

The fact that the Lord will send fire to destroy His enemies on His Day of vengeance and wrath, is comprehensively prophesied. He used water the first time, a natural substance and the next time it will be fire. From the heavens, the sun; Isaiah 30:26-30,

Isaiah 30:26

²⁶ Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.

 

Quote

Psalms 11:4-6

Psalm 11: 1-7 kjv

11 In the Lord put I my trust: how say ye to my soul, Flee as a bird to your mountain?

² For, lo, the wicked bend their bow, they make ready their arrow upon the string, that they may privily shoot at the upright in heart.

³ If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?

⁴ The Lord is in his holy temple, the Lord's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.

⁵ The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

⁶ Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.

⁷ For the righteous Lord loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.

 

Quote

, 2 Peter 3:7, +

When all the prophesies about the forthcoming Lord's terrible Day of wrath are considered, it is clear that a CME is the only thing that can fulfil them. He will instigate a CME of unprecedented magnitude, which will strike the Middle East at mid day and will wipe out all the ungodly peoples in that entire area. Zephaniah 2:4-5, Zephaniah 1:12-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 10:18, +  Only a remnant of Christian Jews will survive; Isaiah 6:11-13, Romans 9:27

 

Edited April 11, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Marathoner]

3 hours ago, SONshine said:

Hi there... I sincerely ask this:  How exactly does a futurist look at the scriptures and bend them in order to fit his insular perspective in defiance of common sense and logic?  Could you provide a scripture as an example and apply what you’re stating?  Thanks, @Marathoner. 

 

 

One has already been provided in this topic, sister. Reference the Coronal Mass Ejection. Another: claiming that the mark of the beast is the product of future technology beyond the understanding of the ancient audience, the sort we are familiar with or conceive of in the present day. The essential assumption of futurism with regard to scripture is, "this was written concerning events thousands of years afterward, here's what it means."

It's an assumption passed through the lens of the futurist hence subject to their insular perspective. I'm sure you can recall how this or that was declared to be the mark of the beast over the last 40 years. Remember bar codes? Immunizations? The fruit of futurism.  

[DeighAnn]

As a futurist, I guess? I have questions hoping anyone could answer these in the 'past tense' view.  Also what does anyone who believes 'everything has already happened' believe the future holds?


The mark of the beast can NOT be taken UNTIL Satan is here and WORSHIP is demanded in order to buy or sell.  So anyone 'claiming' any date before that time doesn't know the word of God.  It's not like the entire world won't know when there is only ONE leader leading the world.  


If it happened in the past when was it?  Was any of this written in any history books?  What was the mark? 
It can't be 70 Ad because NO ONE needed a mark to buy and sell and the whole world was not worshipping after ONE LEADER.  Hence the destruction.

God will send two witnesses who will arrive a few days before Satan and fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies and have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

When did these events take place?  Was any of this written in any history books?  Surely history books record this somewhere, if indeed it is truth.  After all we count on those HISTORIES for the 70Ad destruction, we should certainly expect such HEAVENLY miracles to be written of in 'others' history.  


When they finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.  And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.  And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.  And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.  And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Since that would also be in the past, then WHO were they?  Was any of this written in any history books?  Surely someone wrote of these great happenings.  They certainly didn't go unnoticed could they?  Is is POSSIBLE for history to NOT HAVE recorded such events?

 

And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.  And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

When did this take place?  Was any of this written in any history books?


Satan will be performing miracles, and will be so good at deception that time is shortened so Gods elect aren't deceived.  

When did this take place?  Who wrote of these miracles 'the history books'?


Satan will be destroyed by the brightness of His coming.  When Christ returns ALL will be changed.

When did this take place and how is it we are still in the flesh?  Was this written in any history books?


When Christ returns and stands, the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 


When did this take place?  What happened after?  How did it go back to looking exactly as it always has?  Is this found in any history books?


Who wrote about this, where do I find their description of this event?

 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.


JUST in case the 'history books' missed all of those things they certainly didn't miss these, did they?

And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.  And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

 

 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.  And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.  And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

 

Or is it one book is literal while the other is not?  The one backing it all up the other cast aside?


 

Revelation 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.


2Pet

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


Who ruled and reigned with Him for 1000 yrs?  Is this the new heaven and earth in which all evil has been destroyed?  Are we in immortal bodies that never get sick?

Did the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up?

[Diaste]

5 hours ago, Marathoner said:

One has already been provided in this topic, sister. Reference the Coronal Mass Ejection. Another: claiming that the mark of the beast is the product of future technology beyond the understanding of the ancient audience, the sort we are familiar with or conceive of in the present day. The essential assumption of futurism with regard to scripture is, "this was written concerning events thousands of years afterward, here's what it means."

It's an assumption passed through the lens of the futurist hence subject to their insular perspective. I'm sure you can recall how this or that was declared to be the mark of the beast over the last 40 years. Remember bar codes? Immunizations? The fruit of futurism.  

Greetings,

So I think one of the big distractions in making sense of the prophecies is the application of technology to the prophecy.

An all powerful God created everything in 6 days by force of will through speaking.

Let there be light, and it was so. Just like that. No computer programs. No algorithms. No AI. No consultation or permissions required.

And not only that but he made the most powerful and intelligent creation next to the godhead in the form of Lucifer. This creation is the eternal enemy of all of us, including the godhead and he's not AI, he's a living breathing entity bent on rebellion and death and imbued with enormous, innate power. 

I think we will all find out man's technology is to Satan as alphabet blocks are to adults. 

So then just because 'futurists' were incorrect about technology doesn't mean futurism is incorrect.,

[Diaste]

12 hours ago, Josheb said:

So when the book of Revelation states the things that were revealed in the vision would be happening quickly because the time was near do you read that literally? Or do you violate your own rule? Because the opening and closing statement of the vision can in fact be read literally. 

A close examination of this reveals the concept; it will happen quickly in the moment.

Jesus is not saying soon as if to mean tomorrow or next week as mankind would interpret. Indeed there is no specifics and we are left hanging on ambiguity, making up personal stories as we see fit.

It seems more than obvious none of it came to pass as there is no historical records of anything in Revelation occurring. Okay, the vision of the woman and child in Rev 12 is of historical content but it's purpose is to identify not foretell; it's a wonder not an omen and it was history at the time of the giving of the Revelation to John.

So since we have no records of the events in Revelation, and we are not in eternity future then none it came to pass and it is all future.

A couple of my favorite quotes:

When all the other possibilities are eliminated whatever is left is the solution no matter how improbable or fantastic. 

Only fiction has to make sense. 

 

[Justin Adams]

Look thru the Tanakh at the flowery prophetic language. Guaranteed to invoke visions of thunder, mountains quaking, swords coming out of mouths and clouds riding with chariots of fire. Lightning and blackness with an abundance of hyperbole.

Today our FX labs create movies of similar venues. We seem to like blood and guts with huge explosions and get a vicarious kick out of it. Figurative or literal, it denotes events otherwise difficult to explain. 

You can see this if you read Josephus alongside of Revelation. Very humbling and terrifying in its details. Millennium is (a long time) and we are right into it today. Look around and see.

[Diaste]

33 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Look thru the Tanakh at the flowery prophetic language. Guaranteed to invoke visions of thunder, mountains quaking, swords coming out of mouths and clouds riding with chariots of fire. Lightning and blackness with an abundance of hyperbole.

Today our FX labs create movies of similar venues. We seem to like blood and guts with huge explosions and get a vicarious kick out of it. Figurative or literal, it denotes events otherwise difficult to explain. 

You can see this if you read Josephus alongside of Revelation. Very humbling and terrifying in its details. Millennium is (a long time) and we are right into it today. Look around and see.

But is it hype? Sure, it looks like it is. Yes, we have been conditioned to perceive hype as we see it in all the media forms. But how would we know?

For a long time I have associated the product of the movie empire across the world as depictions of what's coming. Are you saying the imagery in Hollywood disaster movies is the fulfillment of the visions; what was seen in the visions is modern movie special effects and CGI?

In a world with a vast cross section of critics and cynics why is nothing written about the failure of the prophecies? If we are in it there is at least one major failure of prophecy and that is Zechariah 14:16-19. No critiques of withholding rain from poor farmers who stayed home with a sick kid instead of following the mandate for the Feast of Tabernacles?

In this day and age there would likely be entire college curriculums devoted to the social and economic evils of keeping the feast of Tabernacles year upon year. And isn't there supposed to be a vast city greater than any ever seen? That would be another prophetic failure and no doubt be paraded with chyrons on every news outlet. And that's just two things. Or should I be taking all that figuratively?

[Justin Adams]

Don't ya love the Gnostic Leftist Baa-lambs and Daisies movies? All the dissenters have been organ harvested and that lovely tree with those pretty pods are when we keep those organs. All is THX and cuddly. The Wellness food is Soylent Green and Winston is kept busy rewriting history for us all. Ain't it grand?

The Reavers? Who are they, you are mistaken... "Serenity" was only a movie. Not real. Just an apocalypse.

Edited April 11, 2021 by Justin Adams

[DeighAnn]

33AD  Not yet 2 days since Christ died.  Well, unless you reckon 'mans time' more importantly than Gods.  


Psalm 90:1 Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.

Psalm 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

Psalm 90:3 Thou turnest man to destruction and sayest, Return, ye children of men.

Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in Thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Psalm 90:5 Thou carriest them away as with a flood; they are as a sleep in the morning they are like grass which groweth up.


2ND WITNESS

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

So no matter the exe this or the exe that or the heume whatever or any of the other words not in the bible way you figure it

THIS is how God reckons it.  

 

[leah777]

Well, The Lord rained down brimstone and sulphur on Sodom and Gomorrah, didnt he. Fire from Heaven indeed.