Who is driving the sin and evil in this world?

[johnthebaptist]

23 hours ago, leah777 said:

Who is driving the sin and evil in this world if not satan? So much evil, including against Christians. Is Satan still affecting this world of ours?

Is something I wonder about and is. I think, important.

The Bible teaches us that Satan rules this world (1 John 5:19).

[Littlelambseativy]

Sorry, but I gave you the Rev  1:20 verse where John is told stars are angels in reference to the churches. Sometimes one needs to look no further than what we are told...if it makes sense, make no other sense. A wise phrase I’ve come to accept. If it does not make sense then look for other sense in the Bible but always in the Bible only to back up your new logic. In this case it is explained....

[Arrabon]

On 4/1/2021 at 1:29 PM, leah777 said:

Who is driving the sin and evil in this world if not satan? So much evil, including against Christians. Is Satan still affecting this world of ours?

Is something I wonder about and is. I think, important.

@leah777

very good question.

God warns us all through scripture that satan is going to be very active in peoples lives.

1 Peter say's, "be alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour."

Ephesians 6: 11 says, "put on the full ARMOR OF GOD, so you can make your stand against the devils schemes."

The Bible says that “evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived” (2 Timothy 3:13).

For me, I think that man by nature has an evil heart, and satan uses that to just make matters worse.

he has a lot to work with and we are guilty of allowing him to use it.

So to me it's a combination of things, and it seems to me I've seen that as man ignores God more and more, and ignores doing right more and more, things only get worse as more and more people decide to care nothing about God, and that's what's happening right now.

My name is Arrabon

[Starise]

7 hours ago, 1to3 said:

Where in the bible does it say this?

There's a collection of verses that lead me to this conclusion.

Question: "Did one third of the angels fall with Lucifer?"

Answer: While there is no verse that says "a third of the angels fell from heaven," some verses, when put together, lead us to that conclusion. Sometime after their creation, and most certainly after the sixth day when everything was declared “very good” (Genesis 1:31), Satan rebelled and was cast out of heaven. “How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!” (Isaiah 14:12). Jesus said, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven” (Luke 10:18), and in the book of the Revelation Satan is seen as “a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth” (Revelation 9:1).

We are also told that one third of an “innumerable company of angels” (Hebrews 12:22) chose to rebel with him. John saw this great wonder in heaven, “…an enormous red dragon…His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth…the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him” (Revelation 12:3–9).

Since Satan is referred to as a star which fell or was cast down to earth, and Revelation 12:4 says a third of the stars were cast out with him, then the conclusion is that the stars in Revelation 12 refer to fallen angels, fully one third of the heavenly host. If the one-third number is in fact accurate, what assurance that is! Two thirds of the angels are still on God’s side, and for followers of Christ, they are on our side as well.
 

Source- https://www.gotquestions.org/one-third-angels.html

I might have gotten the timing of these events off. It appears it could have happened later. I'm not sure WHEN exactly it happened. This would not change the present outcome. I can only say Lucifer was in the garden to tempt Eve and Satan and his followers are still here doing what they do.

Satan and Lucifer are probably modern terms for more ancient names that westerners associate with "the devil". There are other names for him.

Two terms are important when reading these scriptures together. The DRAGON is Satan. STARS are the heavenly host.

The SERPENT in the garden was a beautiful being that many associate with a reptilian look. See the reference to appearance here-

Ezekiel 28:12-15 ESV 

“Son of man, raise a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say to him, Thus says the Lord God: “You were the signet of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, emerald, and carbuncle; and crafted in gold were your settings and your engravings. On the day that you were created they were prepared. You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you.

Here the king of Tyre is actually referring to Satan.

Satan and his followers are fallen STARS. we As CHRISTIANS WILL BE risen Stars..........hence my Worthy name of STARISE. 

 

 

Edited April 3, 2021 by Starise

[Starise]

On 4/1/2021 at 7:33 PM, enoob57 said:

When you see the devil meeting The Christ in his tempting of God The Son you see his ownership of the earth 
 

Eph 2:2

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
KJV


However this ownership will be taken away at the Millennial kingdom... 

Exactly- THY KINGDOM COME, THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN. 

The short answer @leah777 is sin and evil in this world come from both men, fallen angels and demons.

[1to3]

16 minutes ago, Starise said:

There's a collection of verses that lead me to this conclusion.

Yes I agree with those verses as well, I guess I should have been more precise in my question, you stated :

22 hours ago, Starise said:

We know 1/3 of the angelic host rebelled against Satan before Eden came into existence

My question is where does it say they were cast out before Eden?

As I had mentioned:

the bible does not mention anything about fallen angels or anything sinister until AFTER the seventh day.

 The Holy Bible says: In the beginning , genesis says:  God the Father, Son Holy Spirit IS and than began creation . On the six day of God creation , EVERYTHING HE created was GOOD= No corruption, no sin.  On the seventh Day God rested.

The Holy Bible states: Lucifer a cherub walked Eden and had access unto all heaven until sin was found in him and a third of the angels, then they were cast down to earth. The corruption of the angels and then man happened sometime after the seventh day.

 

[Starise]

21 minutes ago, 1to3 said:

Yes I agree with those verses as well, I guess I should have been more precise in my question, you stated :

My question is where does it say they were cast out before Eden?

As I had mentioned:

the bible does not mention anything about fallen angels or anything sinister until AFTER the seventh day.

 The Holy Bible says: In the beginning , genesis says:  God the Father, Son Holy Spirit IS and than began creation . On the six day of God creation , EVERYTHING HE created was GOOD= No corruption, no sin.  On the seventh Day God rested.

The Holy Bible states: Lucifer a cherub walked Eden and had access unto all heaven until sin was found in him and a third of the angels, then they were cast down to earth. The corruption of the angels and then man happened sometime after the seventh day.

 

 

Thanks for that correction. I can see where my timing was skewed.

Could it not have been after the 7th day?

 Lucifer did two things we know of that really upset Yahweh, actually three. He was attempting to rise above Yahweh and be God himself. He made a point of going after the 1st man and woman to bring them down into sin. He led a revolt on heaven taking 1/3 of the angels with him. It would stand to reason Lucifer would try to destroy man because man was going to be sitting in heaven right beside him. This would have bothered him because of his primary sin -pride. HE wanted to be the top person in heaven. Who is Yahweh to make these men and promote them, even walk with Adam in the garden? Some possible jealousy there as well.

 We could split hairs here and say there might have been a rather long time after creation of the earth that Lucifer tempted Eve. There's nothing that says this was immediate to my knowledge. Satan would have been scheming, making a plan to take men down.

Some things that cause me to want to research it a bit more- The rebellious 'stars' were cast to the EARTH. How could Lucifer be 'cast' to the earth if he was already here as a result of rebellion? Evil was  in the garden through Lucifer "star of the morning".

[1to3]

Just now, Starise said:

Could it not have been after the 7th day?

Yes it had to be sometime  after the 7Th according to scripture reading of what took place From the beginning of genesis and other passages in the bible..

[1to3]

19 minutes ago, Starise said:

How could Lucifer be 'cast' to the earth if he was already here as a result of rebellion? Evil was  in the garden through Lucifer "star of the morning".

 Yes Lucifer was a guardian Cherub="O covering cherub", he originality protect Eden Ezekiel 28:11-19, Isaiah 14:12-15 as well as elsewhere in the heavens he could go from earth to any of the 3 heavens until sin was found in him,  when sin was found in him,that is when he was cast out of the 3 heaven were  God  IS, God resides and all is HOLY and nothing corrupt can be or survive in the presence of God.  1John ch1.v5 that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.

Christ Jesus said, He was there when He saw Lucifer fall from heaven like lightning.Luke 10:18

Lucifer fell from the third heaven but till this day has access to earth and the second heaven  -ref to scripture .=prince of the air.

Edited April 3, 2021 by 1to3