Pandemic

[Sower]

Just now, leah777 said:

I am not in America. My world is not North America.

I wear mask to protect others, not to protect myself.

People make their own choices.

"I wear mask to protect others, not to protect myself.
 

Just curious. How are you protecting others.
What are you protecting them from, leah...
Thanks for your reply.

[teddyv]

1 hour ago, Sower said:

I take Hydroxie  to boost/increase/enhance  my own immunity, not to give myself immunity from covid.
Like staying healthy, in shape, exercising work/rest, and good eating habits etc. Common sense.
I try not to be influenced by the heard instinct, especially government influenced.
My choice, reading/studying about  the virus and this experimental gene therapy misnamed a vaccine.
I made an educated choice. My choice. I have no guilt that you tried to create, ted.
I discovered from many sources the varying percentages range from 25-41% are unwilling to take vaccine.
I actually worry about my friends and those who took the vaccine, the future affects, if any.
Their choice, that I respect.  They probably worry about me, too.
This forum is the only place I have been criticized for simply not injecting myself with an experimental gene
therapy untested/unproven and to be free of adverse future problems, and the cause of others.  Sheese!
God is in control. Not the government.
Thank you for your reply, teddyv....

 

No problem.

Just a personal point - the government is not the reason that I, or my family, have gotten, or will get vaccinated. We do it because we also have made an educated choice around it and consider that the benefit outweighs the risks, not just at a personal or family level, but at a societal level. So I don't care for the assumption that I am simply mindlessly listening to the 'government'. 

 

 

 

[leah777]

1 hour ago, Sower said:

"I wear mask to protect others, not to protect myself.
 

Just curious. How are you protecting others.
What are you protecting them from, leah...
Thanks for your reply.

Hey, if you dont, as it seems, believe the scientific evidence about mask wearing protecting others thats your choice.

Mask wearing is standard in many cultures, including mine, if we have any respiratory infections, and has been for years, to protect others from our germs.

I am making a general point, stating my truth.

[Sower]

47 minutes ago, teddyv said:

So I don't care for the assumption that I am simply mindlessly listening to the 'government'. 

And I never thought that of you, teddyv, and hope you didn't think so.
Was referring to myself, what I experienced in the military,
and what I see happening today. I tend to have little trust in
any thing recommended by government experts.
Nor their media spokesmen.

[teddyv]

1 minute ago, Sower said:

And I never thought that of you, teddyv, and hope you didn't think so.
Was referring to myself, what I experienced in the military,
and what I see happening today. I tend to have little trust in
any thing recommended by government experts.
Nor their media spokesmen.

I was not sure, as one could read a potential insinuation into your post. But I'm cool.

[Marathoner]

17 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

Of course it is ok to ask questions. I would also add that there are many countries that seize the opportunity that an emergency offers. They will never let a good problem go to waste I am afraid. They will see it as a way to further their agendas, and a scared community is an easier community to control. No one has yet to prove that the various lockdowns have achieved anything. Even the CDC doubts the effectiveness of the economy crippling measures that have been enforced world wide.

This is true across the board. We saw this in the bizarre hoarding of certain essentials at the onset of the pandemic; as it turns out, this was primarily the work of those who sought to profit from selling those essentials piecemeal through online venues such ebay. These degenerates were working together as teams no less. 

Shameful, but it should come as no surprise to us. The profit motive is always at play in this corrupt and fallen world. Then there's the matter of hoarding vaccines by certain First World countries (like our own) while poorer countries suffer from a lack of vaccines...

Which brings us to the dark heart of the pandemic: who controls the patents? Who stands to gain the most while the world suffers? Follow the money or so some say, and when we're dealing with the corruption of mankind this is a self-evident truth. Follow the money because it's always about the money where man is concerned. 

Can you imagine the profits investors in PPE have been raking in over the past year? Mind boggling. It makes me perfectly ill to ponder these things, brother.  

Edited April 7, 2021 by Marathoner

[Sower]

48 minutes ago, leah777 said:

Hey, if you dont, as it seems, believe the scientific evidence about mask wearing protecting others thats your choice.

Mask wearing is standard in many cultures, including mine, if we have any respiratory infections, and has been for years, to protect others from our germs.

I am making a general point, stating my truth.

But I do believe the scientific evidence, maybe/probably not the same ones you have heard.  The problem is sifting the evidence/truth.
I respect your choices, leah.
Don't understand why I cannot have a choice, without more inferred shame.
My wife and I both have small businesses and work at home out of my shop.
We get an average of six to a dozen deliveries/pick ups every day,
and nobody wears masks. Their choice.
Prior to covid, absolutely nobody wore masks, save hospitals etc.
In restaurants and grocery stores , only maybe 10% wear them now.
At church, very few wear them. Their choice.
Weather they wear them or not, I do not judge them.
At my age and my respiratory situation, should I become infected,
I'm assuming it will be really rough. Or perhaps I'll simply die.
I'm OK with that.
My choice.

[just_abc]

13 hours ago, OneLight said:

Being that I am from the US, I am speaking of the news from this country only.  It is very possible, most likely probable, that some countries may of downplayed this in their news.  Which countries are you talking about so I can check? 

hi.... I was mostly refering to the government/s itself ..(rather than any news media per se).   Sorry.. my earlier post was not very clear..  

One possible example might perhaps be Brazil government last year? 

Another possible example might be Tanzania under the late president?  

 

*Please note though that I am not from either of those countries.  So it is just my understanding from what I have read etc.  Thanks. 

[Whyme]

covid has been politicized. Never waste a good tragedy for political gain.

[Marathoner]

3 minutes ago, Sower said:

But I do believe the scientific evidence, maybe/probably not the same ones you have heard.  The problem is sifting the evidence/truth.
I respect your choices, leah.
Don't understand why I cannot have a choice, without more inferred shame.
My wife and I both have small businesses and work at home out of my shop.
We get an average of six to a dozen deliveries/pick ups every day,
and nobody wears masks. Their choice.
Prior to covid, absolutely nobody wore masks, save hospitals etc.
In restaurants and grocery stores , only maybe 10% wear them now.
At church, very few wear them. Their choice.
Weather they wear them or not, I do not judge them.
At my age and my respiratory situation, should I become infected,
I'm assuming it will be really rough. Or perhaps I'll simply die.
I'm OK with that.
My choice.

Indeed. I'm rather fond of you, brother, so I hope you don't mind if I pray for you and your loved ones. 

I join you in not judging those who do or don't wear masks. Do I wear one? Yes, and I have my reasons for this; I will speak of their benefits but I will not condemn those who don't listen nor care. Where's the profit in that? By profit, I mean pleasing fruit. There's none to be had. 

For whatever His reason might be, the Lord saw fit to ensure that my siblings and I are resistant to coronaviruses which I attribute to our travels around the world and exposure as military brats. My younger sister's experience during this pandemic has been identical to my own: everyone around her fell ill but she was unscathed. I will say this:

Masks were not sufficient to stop the outbreak which closed down the homeless shelter where I work. Everyone with the exception of myself and a coworker were infected with COVID-19. Our CEO had to be hospitalized because of COVID and would've been the third to remain unaffected but that's the kicker: he was untouched during the outbreak at the shelter but was infected afterward. Two days before he was scheduled to receive the vaccine, he fell ill. He needed oxygen to breathe but recovered, thankfully. 

This phrase will likely ring with ominous undertones to some (can't help that), but research has revealed the existence of individuals known as "elite controllers." What's an elite controller? Someone whose body efficiently and reliably exterminates an invading virus with prejudice. First, German researchers stumbled upon elite controllers of coronaviruses; and now we have elite controllers of HIV, the virus which causes AIDS. 

The demographic of elite controllers depends upon the virus in question. For example, it's estimated that 90% of the global population are elite controllers of the Epstein-Barr virus, known as EPV, by far the most common virus circulating among man. By contrast, less than 1% of the human population are estimated to be elite controllers of HIV. Fascinating.

What's the percentage for COVID-19? Hard to say, but figures of 20%-30% of the population are popular at this time. Subject to change as researchers learn more, no doubt.