Lust or love?

[Aries2020]

Greetings,

Interesting topic.

These 2 scriptures come to mind.

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth forever.1 john 2.15-17

But Jesus said it all when he said, and this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.         John 17.3.

That is eternal love.

Edited April 18, 2021 by Aries2020

[Whyme]

14 hours ago, Aries2020 said:

Greetings,

Interesting topic.

These 2 scriptures come to mind.

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth forever.1 john 2.15-17

But Jesus said it all when he said, and this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.         John 3.17.

That is eternal love.

Sorry i missed you post. Thank you for the scripture.

[Starise]

17 hours ago, Alive said:

Sexual lust is not the only lust of the flesh.

Some folks lust after food in an inordinate manner.

Hmmmmmm. Could a smoker be involved in this comment? 

[Alive]

3 minutes ago, Starise said:

Hmmmmmm. Could a smoker be involved in this comment? 

Smoking involves what can be a very strong physical and mental addiction.

 

[PeterR]

What about coffee and even worse, tea (L-Theanine and Caffeine)?

Edited April 9, 2021 by PeterR

[Starise]

1 minute ago, PeterR said:

What about coffee and tea?

I don't see either as a sin in and of themselves.

We can carry anything too far. If you have a 1 liter coffee cup you might be taking it a bit too far.  This begins to get into those areas where believers split hairs over what is ok ? How much is ok? 

The brother that feels led to drink only spring water has his own convictions there. Convictions I don't feel are justified across all believers. With all respect to your comments I believe this is more to do with making 'laws' about what we think is right and less to do with the idea of 'lust' as it pertains to these drinks.

I can't say I've ever heard a person comment  they were lusting after a coffee or tea. We might want coffee or tea and technically it might be reasoned it's a form of lust. For me it's simple. The body gets hungry and thirsty. Men have been creative with what they add to water. I enjoy some of it.

[PeterR]

6 minutes ago, Starise said:

I don't see either as a sin in and of themselves.

I like this kind of enumeration sometimes. Wondering if this or that drug is allowed. It exposes hypocrisy.

[Starise]

Just now, PeterR said:

I like this kind of enumeration sometimes. Wondering if this or that drug is allowed. It exposes hypocrisy.

I guessed you were probably heading in that direction. I took the bait anyhow.

FYI my comment about Alive was a jest about a post he made in the cooking BBQ part of the forum...not 'smoking' as in cigarettes. I do love me some smoked meat though. I don't lust after it.

My opinion on the idea of which drugs are or are not allowed has much to do with the meaning of the word drug itself. In the same way a drink can be many things, the same can be said of drugs. There's a huge difference between an aspirin and heroin.There's a huge difference between koolade with artificial sweetener and 100 proof moonshine. One will do little to nothing harmful to your body, the other will undoubtedly knock you for a loop.

You may call it hypocrisy. I call it discretion.

[PeterR]

To be clear, I did not want to attack anyone personally.

What goes to the belly will come out on the other side.

When it's too sweet, may causing nausea. Personally like it when it is salted but I have a tendency to be "too high". 

Edited April 9, 2021 by PeterR

[Logostician]

Lust seeks the welfare of self.  Love seeks the welfare of others.

Lust is based on pride/covetousness which is the source of all sin.  Love is based on selflessness, and the ability to to look beyond oneself for what is right and true.

Agape love comes from God.  We have the capacity to love because we are created in God's image.  We are told to love God, and our neighbor.  This is real love that does not seek it's own carnal reward.  It is a love that glorifies God.  It is an empathetic love that seeks the wellbeing of others.

If you want to know if it's lust or love, ask yourself is it for me, or is it for God, and my neighbor.