Is Jesus God?

[johnthebaptist]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

"The Lord said to my Lord"...

This is from the Psalms and recited by Stephen. And Paul.  

AND JESUS CHRIST 

Please place your understanding when you are referring to God, in a way that you can distinguish one from the other.  

We have two Lords and or two Gods. 

You said God: which one? 

 

No, I believe we have one Lord.

[BeyondET]

23 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

This even in John 14:9  took place before this even in John 20:17. 

        * John 20:17 *

Post the Cross and resurrection 

New International Version
Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

New Living Translation
“Don’t cling to me,” Jesus said, “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

English Standard Version
Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

Berean Study Bible
“Do not cling to Me,” Jesus said, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’ ” 

         * john 14:8,9,10 *

⁸ Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

⁹ Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

¹⁰ Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

          

John 14 is pre cross that I know of, I am all ears if you have some info?

Edited May 8, 2021 by BeyondET

[Your closest friendnt]

22 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

How long was it from Don’t cling to Greetings?

Matthew 28

8 So they hurried away from the tomb in fear and great joy, and ran to tell His disciples. 9 Suddenly Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” They came to Him, grasped His feet, and worshiped Him. 

10“Do not be afraid,” said Jesus. “Go and tell My brothers to go to Galilee. There they will see Me.”

Hello BeyondET, if understand you correctly we have Mathew and John making reference to the same event, when the women first met the resurrect Jesus Christ. 

From first glance I can see that their description varies. 

It's not very clear to me the specific of the question but I will study them and your point to "Greetings" and "how long from that time to the next". 

First impression is that neither Mathew nor John were there.

So they heard what took place the women directly first hand and at different times not necessarily at the same time. 

John seems to be interested a lot more than Mathew about the details and the importance and value and he did a more thorough recording and with a different mind as we see through out in his Gospel. Did Mathew said anything to opposed John's recording of the events.

Mathew seems to be different than John as everyone of the disciples had different gifts and insight, they were not copy individuals, just like us.

 

[Your closest friendnt]

16 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

No, I believe we have one Lord.

You need to explain your thoughts, let us see them without guessing and ask questions for clarification. 

* we ? 

* one Lord? 

* and then consider the questions which were asked before and you did not answer. 

[johnthebaptist]

28 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

You need to explain your thoughts, let us see them without guessing and ask questions for clarification. 

* we ? 

* one Lord? 

* and then consider the questions which were asked before and you did not answer. 

I believe I did that: 

"Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and his name shall be called Emmanuel"
(which means, God with us). Matthew 1:23 RSV 

Jesus: God with us.

[BeyondET]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Hello BeyondET, if understand you correctly we have Mathew and John making reference to the same event, when the women first met the resurrect Jesus Christ. 

From first glance I can see that their description varies. 

It's not very clear to me the specific of the question but I will study them and your point to "Greetings" and "how long from that time to the next". 

First impression is that neither Mathew nor John were there.

So they heard what took place the women directly first hand and at different times not necessarily at the same time. 

John seems to be interested a lot more than Mathew about the details and the importance and value and he did a more thorough recording and with a different mind as we see through out in his Gospel. Did Mathew said anything to opposed John's recording of the events.

Mathew seems to be different than John as everyone of the disciples had different gifts and insight, they were not copy individuals, just like us.

 

There was other women when the earth quaked, angel on the stone early in the morning, they didn’t tell anyone but did grab a hold.

Edited May 8, 2021 by BeyondET

[Marathoner]

22 hours ago, Whyme said:

Jesus is the Word, correct? So this scripture is saying Jesus is God? I can see God becoming a man, i can see Him being a Spirit, but i cant understand how Jesus and the Father are both in heaven if they are the same person. Obviously Jesus is not God but God's son, right? Im a bit confused. 

 

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Good answers thus far. I reviewed the thread to ensure my contribution won't be a repeat of what my brothers and sisters have furnished. Many thanks to @electlady for sharing some foundational verses!

The scripture you share from the Gospel of John is the beginning of understanding, my friend. John's Gospel is our foundation in Christology for remember, wolves were present in the assemblies of the holy ones in his day, deniers that the Word was made flesh (Jesus Christ came in this flesh). They sought to lead the elect astray. I refer to the Gnostics of old. 

The apostle explained what was once a mystery and faithfully delivered the words of our Lord for all time, hence the divinity of Jesus Christ and His relationship to our Father whom the prophet Daniel referred to as the Ancient of days (Daniel 7) is the overarching theme of John's Gospel (there's more, of course, but I'm sticking to the topic). 

Each of the Gospels serves to educate us so we might walk in the knowledge of the Holy One. For example, the Gospel of Matthew demonstrates how the scriptures  were fulfilled by the Son of God who became the Son of Man, the spiritual man come down from heaven and the second Adam. That was the stumbling stone for many for they could not perceive how the eternal Son, who is indeed the Word of God, was sent from heaven by God the Father to be born to a woman under the law, under the law Himself, so He might redeem us (His people) from the penalty of the law.   

The Word of God is the Son of God who became Jesus Christ, the Son of Man. God with us. Jesus Christ never ceased being God at any time though He humbled Himself so He might accomplish the will of God the Father in granting us the adoption as sons and daughters of the promise (children of Abraham). Remember those verses where Jesus Christ declares that He does the will of God the Father: He says what He hears the Father speaking and does what He sees the Father doing. 

This is in keeping with the scripture which instructs us that no one has seen the Father at any time, but His Son explains Him to us. Jesus Christ, the Son of God and the Son of Man, is the express image of the invisible God whom no one has seen at any time...

But when we see the Son --- many have! --- we therefore have seen God, because Jesus Christ is God.       

Edited May 8, 2021 by Marathoner
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[other one]

I'm kind of gettin into this a bit late, so I'm just going to go all out as to all of the Trinity:::::

Ex 24:9-11 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy
of the elders of Israel: And they saw the God of Israel: and there was
under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it
were the body of heaven in his clearness. And upon the nobles of the
children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat
and drink.
KJV
John 6:44-46 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent
me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in
the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore
that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Not
that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath
seen the Father.
KJV
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Moses and friends saw the God of Israel and were not harmed.
Jesus says that no man has seen the father except He that came from
Him.
So it seems to me that the Father that Jesus speaks of is not what that
the Nation of Israel interfaced with in the Old Testament.
Looking further:
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John 1:1-10 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All
things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that
was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the
light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There
was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a
witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might
believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that
Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh
into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and
the world knew him not.
KJV
John 8:52-58 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a
devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man
keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. Art thou greater than
our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom
makest thou thyself? Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is
nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is
your God: Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should
say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him,
and keep his saying. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he
saw it, and was glad.
Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and
hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say
unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
KJV
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It seems to me to be saying that Jesus was what the Nation of Israel
interfaced with in the Old Testament days. Jesus in this form was with
the Father from the beginning.
It seems to me that the people of the Old Testament days were not aware
of the Father except for what they saw through the Jesus in the form he
existed in before he became flesh.
Further:
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Phil 2:5-11Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with
God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a
servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in
fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death,
even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted
him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name
of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in
earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
KJV
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It appears to me that Jesus as the word was that which the Father
worked through to manifest Himself to the people of the Old Testament
times. Jesus did not regard himself to want to be the equal to the
Father so He took the form of a human to further the works of the
Father on earth.
Jesus was deity by being in the form of God, but it was the Father that
did the work through Him when he was the Word. It appears that the only
thing that has changed is Jesus is now flesh working the same way only
as a man. The Father exercises His will through Jesus, now in the
fleshly body.
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John 14:10-11 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the
Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself:
but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that
I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the
very works' sake.
KJV
John 17:20-26 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which
shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as
thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in
us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory
which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as
we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in
one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved
them, as thou hast loved me. Father, I will that they also, whom thou
hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory,
which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of
the world. O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I
have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. And I
have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love
wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
KJV
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It seems to me that Jesus just extended the conduit from Him to us for
the Father to do His work through Jesus to us so we could know the
Father as the Father knows us. Thus we now can do the work of the
Father. I believe this is the path and workings of the Holy Spirit
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1 Cor 15:20-28 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the
firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man
came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so
in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to
God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all
authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies
under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he
hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are
put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all
things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then
shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things
under him, that God may be all in all.
KJV
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Jesus, before His ascension told the Apostles that all power and
authority had been given to Him. After he has subdued everything Jesus
will also be subjected to the One who subjected all things to
Him........ The Father.
I don't see the Son always being equal with the Father, either when He
was the word nor in the flesh. He will also be subject to the Father
after He does the job of bringing the kingdom into it's full power over
all and giving it to the Father.
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1 Cor 8:4-6 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are
offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the
world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be
that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods
many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of
whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom
are all things, and we by him.
KJV
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But to us, there is but one God, The Father of whom all things
came from......
And one Lord, Jesus whom we call the Christ, through which all things
came including us.
And we have the Holy Spirit which was sent to us from the Father at the
request of Jesus.
Interestingly, all three are one in thought, one in purpose, and one in
action. We can't interface with the Father without being indwelt by
the Holy Spirit, and we can't have the Holy Spirit without the
sacrifice and request of Jesus, and we couldn't have had Jesus without
the Father asking Him to do what he has done for us.
You have to have all three or none. And thus they are one.

[other one]

BTW to answer the Question as to whether or not Jesus is God, one must define what the Word "God" means to each of us...     The attributes that come to mind when most people today hear the word is not what the people in the time of the writing of the Bible would think and understand.

In Hebrew and Greek there is no difference in the word God and god. 

I hope my post helps..

[Marathoner]

I haven't studied the Gospels of Mark and Luke to the degree with which I'm familiar with Matthew's and John's Gospels, but I can offer the following. Mark focuses upon the power and authority of Jesus Christ as King, Lord, and God. Mark tells us that Jesus Christ the Son of Man ascended to sit at the right hand of the Father, a truth which is the fulfillment of Psalm 110 and the embodiment of Psalm 18. Salvation is through Jesus Christ, the Word of God and the right hand of our Father! Two verses from Psalm 18:

You have also given me the shield of Your salvation;
Your right hand has held me up,
Your gentleness has made me great.
You enlarged my path under me,
So my feet did not slip. 
(verses 35 and 36, NKJV)

Look for other references to the "right hand of God" in the law and the Prophets. The Son of God has always been the right hand of God the Father even before the appointed time for Him to come in this flesh. 

Luke's Gospel focuses upon the fact that with the coming of the Word made flesh, the kingdom of heaven was at hand. 

We also know that God is Spirit. The trinity is therefore understood in God's Spirit called the Helper (Comforter)... the Spirit of the Lord... and the Spirit of Christ at various places in the scriptures. The scriptures testify of the Truth and my experience with the Lord Himself bears witness to the same, that in the hour of my salvation God's Spirit came to me testifying of His Son and our Savior, Jesus Christ. When we hear the voice of His Spirit we hear God's voice. 

I know that the trinity isn't the thrust of the OP but it is related to the subject after all.    

Edited May 8, 2021 by Marathoner
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