Rev 12, A Brief History of Israel 63 BC - 1967

[Guest kingdombrat]

And 1 million Jews dying [when John was familiar that the Greeks, Rome, Mesopotamia had MILLIONS of peoples] is not equivalent to the souls BEHEAD were likened to the seas [clearly a number much much much greater than 1 million] killed Jews.

 

What Hitler did would make more sense than what Rome did in 70 A.D.

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29 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

The Jews did this to themselves.   It was their own fault.   It's not like Rome came without warning or that the Jews had been really quiet and good and Rome just bullied them.  So the Beheading does not match the 70 A.D. events.

John the Baptist was beheaded by the Roman beast in the 30 AD ish time period and was resurrected at the first resurrection with Jesus. He is alive and ruling the kingdom by his words.

Israel had known from the time of Dan. 2 onward how long it would be until Jerusalem was restored. It would be a time of 4 empires that would rule over the people of Israel until restoration, beginning with Babylon.

After Greece began fading to the Roman Empire there was a question as to whether the Romans were the iron nation of the statue. It was confirmed as the iron nation that was to rule the people of Israel for 2000 years at the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem by Titus. So the Jews did have warning.

The time of trouble/tribulation and persecution began when the Romans invaded Israel in 63 BC. This would begin the time of the 4th and terrible beast nation of Dan. 7 and the iron nation of Dan. 2.

So John the Baptist was alive during the days of the 4th iron beast nation and was killed by them.

John the Baptist did not take part in the "great  tribulation" of the people of Israel that Jesus spoke about in Matt 24 that happened after 70 AD, 70 AD until 1967 also known as the times of the gentiles Lk 21:20-24, 24.

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1 hour ago, kingdombrat said:

And 1 million Jews dying [when John was familiar that the Greeks, Rome, Mesopotamia had MILLIONS of peoples] is not equivalent to the souls BEHEAD were likened to the seas [clearly a number much much much greater than 1 million] killed Jews.

 

What Hitler did would make more sense than what Rome did in 70 A.D.

Hitler and the RCC have one thing in common, they both hate Israel and want them dead.

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Hitler was just the ending of the great tribulation period before Jerusalem was restored. 70 AD- 1967.

All during the 70 AD -1967 time period the Roman Empire dragon nation and the RCC have been the primary persecutor of the people of Israel.

Many have been taught to ignore this and skip/gap this period.

These theories diminish and hide the RCC Antichrist and Rome from being the dragon beast nation. 

Rev 12 clearly shows the Roman Empire as the dragon beast iron nation in the time of Jesus, and the Dan. 2 timeline is clear, there are no gaps.

That makes Rome the dragon nation, to this day.

If you can accept it, Rome is the dragon nation of Rev 20. Think about it.

Edited May 10, 2021 by abcdef

[Guest kingdombrat]

The Book of Daniel tells us the origin of who is the Man of Destruction/Beast and he compared it to [Alexander the Great].   Alexander is credited with controlling the complete known world of his day, which is literally only [HALF] the accomplishment by Rome [they at one time controlled a mere HALF of the unknown world].   So we're looking for an Alexander who will control the ENTIRE WHOLE KNOWN WORLD.

 

That will NEVER be Rome!

 

So, the RCC and the connected Ancient Rome will be not included in what will come!

[Guest kingdombrat]

They can be the False Prophet and nothing more!

[Diaste]

On 5/9/2021 at 1:15 PM, abcdef said:

You are covering a lot of areas here.

Jesus has reigned the kingdom on planet earth since the day of Pentecost when the kingdom of Israel came.

You are at the end of the millennium which is the new covenant kingdom of Israel/church, just before the second resurrection.

The 1000 years is not literal, but represents the time of the kingdom of Israel on planet earth.

Then one wonders why there is no evidence of a king of kings ruling over the earth nor of the other facts surrounding His rule. Like a bunch of thrones and people on them who were beheaded. Ruling the nations with a rod of iron is on the list as well. Neither of those is present. And then the command to worship the king at tabernacles year after year by pilgrimaging to the City. I don't see that.

 

On 5/9/2021 at 1:15 PM, abcdef said:

 

The new Jerusalem comes down from God after death is destroyed, future.

 

Ezek chs. 38-39, history, they fight with swords and arrows, etc..

Rev 20, already beginning to happen, Jerusalem is surrounded now.

I guess if the 1000 years isn't literal then the above is slated for just any old time.

On 5/9/2021 at 1:15 PM, abcdef said:

 

 

The resur/rapt will happen days after this Jerusalem falls.

 

No, the war in heaven takes place between the ascension of Jesus to the Father and the day of Pentecost, "salvation is come".

Satan is thrown down on the day of Pentecost.

Nowhere in scripture does it say Satan is thrown down on pentecost. Scripture does say Satan is cast out immediately after the woman flees to the wilderness.

On 5/9/2021 at 1:15 PM, abcdef said:

 

1939-1945, was still in the tribulation period which was from 70 AD until 1967.

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Even though Jesus says GT is from the A of D to the sign of His coming and the GT is cut short?

On 5/9/2021 at 1:15 PM, abcdef said:

In 70 AD, Titus was in charge. Rome was the supreme power. Give credit where credit is due. Why try to make others responsible and claim Rome is innocent, of the prophetic fulfillment? 

It's just a point. In fact it's far less a Roman problem and much more a Jewish one. The Romans don't even show up if the Jews don't rebel. If there is blame to assign then the Jews have the greater share.

On 5/9/2021 at 1:15 PM, abcdef said:

 

But the "day of salvation" has lasted 1900 years.

 

There is another explanation, there is no gap. The time line of Rev 12 and Dan. 2 is continual, without gaps. You have just thought so long within those parameters that it is hard to receive a new concept.

Not true. I struggled with the long gap for quite a while. It made no sense to me as I didn't understand why. But over time the fact that so many prophetic truths and realities have not come to pass and do not exist, which are all associated with each other and near to each other in time and space, there had to be an explanation as to why such a thing is real.

It is real because the Gospel must be preached to all nations before the end comes. That is the reason for the long wait. It's also nearly complete.

On 5/9/2021 at 1:15 PM, abcdef said:

 

The Roman Empire ended, but not the power of Rome over the displaced people of Israel.

The Empire changes form, from an established military power, into an image power, retaining the center of Caesar worship.

And unicorns and leprechauns and pots of gold....:)

 

[Justin Adams]

"Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children." 

The Chief Priests answered, "We have no king but Caesar".

“Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.”

People just do not want to see the changes for good since Yeshua's resurrection.

 

 

[Justin Adams]

AD 70:

Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man will come in His Father's glory with His angels, and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.

Revelation 2:23
Then I will strike her children dead, and all the churches will know that I am the One who searches minds and hearts, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.

Revelation 3:11
I am coming soon. Hold fast to what you have, so that no one will take your crown.

Revelation 22:7
"Behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of prophecy in this book."

Rev 22:12
“Behold, I am coming soon, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End

Zephaniah 1:14
The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

Zechariah 12:10
Then I will pour out on the house of David and on the people of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and prayer, and they will look on Me, the One they have pierced. They will mourn for Him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for Him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth [land] shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Edited May 11, 2021 by Justin Adams

[Alive]

1 hour ago, Justin Adams said:

and they also which pierced him

Yes.

[Guest kingdombrat]

Cracks me up when someone uses the Verses behold I come quickly when the very concept of time is one day is equal to years definitely beyond the 1,000 example given 3 times in the Bible.   40 years from Ascension to destruction [would make those 3 accounts of 1 day = 1,000 years] out to be a liar.   40 years would be equal to {2.5 hours from Ascension to Destruction} using 1 Day = 1,000 years.   Sorry, but the Mathematics INSPIRED by the HOLY SPIRIT to 3 separate writers [just don't ADD UP]!

Edited May 11, 2021 by kingdombrat