Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

[Diaste]

16 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

The Big Question is???  When does Pre Trib begin (the 70th Week)?

When is the end of the Church Age?

Another Question is???  When does Post, Mid Trib or Pre Wrath begin or end?

Which position is impossible to calculate for its onset? 

Which positions depend on the first position for timing?

Which positions are totally unknown at this time?

In Christ

Montana Marv

Those are all the wrong questions. There is only one question which holds importance. When is Jesus coming back?

Those questions muddy the waters and detract from the main focus, The return of Jesus Christ.

Labels do not matter. Personal belief does not matter. All that matters is what Jesus said about when and how he would return.

He will return in the clouds of the air immediately after the sun, the stars and the moon go out. He will then send His angels to gather the elect. All this comes only after the man of sin is revealed when he sits in the Temple of God proclaiming himself to be God. 

Many labels, doctrines, prophets, preachers, authors, dogmas, do not matter and never will. The words of Jesus are truth and the rest is a lie.

[Montana Marv]

10 hours ago, Diaste said:

Those are all the wrong questions. There is only one question which holds importance. When is Jesus coming back?

Those questions muddy the waters and detract from the main focus, The return of Jesus Christ.

Labels do not matter. Personal belief does not matter. All that matters is what Jesus said about when and how he would return.

He will return in the clouds of the air immediately after the sun, the stars and the moon go out. He will then send His angels to gather the elect. All this comes only after the man of sin is revealed when he sits in the Temple of God proclaiming himself to be God. 

Many labels, doctrines, prophets, preachers, authors, dogmas, do not matter and never will. The words of Jesus are truth and the rest is a lie.

But they don't with regard to the Rapture. We all know that the 2nd Coming is after Armageddon, yet the time of the Rapture only God knows.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Diaste]

41 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

But they don't with regard to the Rapture. We all know that the 2nd Coming is after Armageddon, yet the time of the Rapture only God knows.

In Christ

Montana Marv

There is only one second coming explicit. Any other is unsupported by clear language and normal reading. 

[Justin Adams]

40 minutes ago, Diaste said:

There is only one second coming explicit. Any other is unsupported by clear language and normal reading. 

Yes. Just one main event. All the fuss and muss about various 'systems' setting dates and times... all chaff to the corn. Millions of man hours and dollars spent to try and organize God.

Yeshua Comes back and that is that.

[Montana Marv]

57 minutes ago, Diaste said:

There is only one second coming explicit. Any other is unsupported by clear language and normal reading. 

So do you declare that you don't know when the 2nd  Coming happens. For only God the Father knows this time.

The Rapture and Second Coming are two separate events supported by the Scriptures. Thus one is unknown and the other is known.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Uriah]

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

The Rapture and Second Coming are two separate events supported by the Scriptures. Thus one is unknown and the other is known.

Impossible! Marv, don't you see that there are people in Rev. 20 in the first resurrection that resisted the mark of the beast? Yet if the missed the rapture and its accompanying resurrection, HOW do they get in? The WILL reign with Jesus for a thousand yrs.  There  would have to be ANOTHER resurrection AND rapture for them....IMPOSSIBLE!

As for that other question you posted earlier, it deserves its own thread. But I will say that contrary to popular belief, the tribulation is NOT 7 yrs long.

[Justin Adams]

8 hours ago, Uriah said:

As for that other question you posted earlier, it deserves its own thread. But I will say that contrary to popular belief, the tribulation is NOT 7 yrs long.

I think you are correct. I feel very, very uneasy about all the camp followers that think they know.

It is like they all packed their bags for a trip on the Titanic...

I fear many will be disillusioned when it does not pan out the way they think and that 'great sky elevator' does not land in their back yard. I do not see that we are appointed to God's Wrath, but I do see the wrath of the ex-holy ones is going to incite much more trials and tribulations among men.

The pre-trib stuff was a cozy doctrine to keep all the pews warm. However, it is not real. All the various systems and predictions are quite wrong I feel. I am sad for those that have be led thus and might feel some kind of fuzzy that they are going to miss what millions will not. A selfish doctrine to say the least.

[Montana Marv]

11 hours ago, Uriah said:

As for that other question you posted earlier, it deserves its own thread. But I will say that contrary to popular belief, the tribulation is NOT 7 yrs long.

The 70th Week is Seven years long.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

11 hours ago, Uriah said:

Impossible! Marv, don't you see that there are people in Rev. 20 in the first resurrection that resisted the mark of the beast? Yet if the missed the rapture and its accompanying resurrection, HOW do they get in? The WILL reign with Jesus for a thousand yrs.  There  would have to be ANOTHER resurrection AND rapture for them....IMPOSSIBLE!

Their souls are under the Altar, it does not say their bodies are under the Altar.  Yet the Elders are already in Heaven.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Uriah]

59 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

Their souls are under the Altar, it does not say their bodies are under the Altar.  Yet the Elders are already in Heaven.

In Christ

Montana Marv

And this is supposed to mean that there there has already been a rapture/resurrection. So how do those who get saved during the tribulation get in?... They are shown in Rev.  20, about to begin reigning for a thousand yrs. Will there be ANOTHER rapture/resurrection for them?