REALITY CHECK: IS THE DELTA VARIANT REALLY THAT MUCH WORSE than before?

[George]

10 minutes ago, Alive said:

Our next door neighbor died suddenly days after getting a second shot.

Granted she was in her 80's and not well, but there it is.

The saddest situation that I had to deal with.  I was in Texas, and a man whose brother was 43 died the day after getting the shot.  I spent some time consoling him, since I had just dealt with the same situation with my own brother passing away at 46.

[missmuffet]

1 hour ago, George said:

@other one We've known each other for a very long time, and you know I'm not the "conspiracy" theorist.  I have gone out of my way to avoid such things!  However, since I've been stranded in the United States for over a year since my brother's sudden death, I have travelled over 40,000 miles in that time.  We've been speaking to 2-5 groups a week the entire time, except for the weekend that I actually got Covid.  I know of ONLY two people that actually DIED from Covid.  However, I personally know from first-hand knowledge of more than a dozen people that have died within a month of getting the vaccines.  I can't help but come to the conclusion in my own personal life that this is one of the biggest frauds being perpetrated on mankind.   When the polls came out as to the REASON why one will not be vaccinated ... an answer should have been given, because I know of someone personally that has DIED from the vaccine or has been permanently impaired by it!

I totally agree with you George but many would not. 

[other one]

I find it fascinating to see the different experiences we've all had.    I've lost several friends and acquaintances to the virus and three close people who are long haulers, but none of the people I know have had any serious problems with the Pfizer vaccine.   No one I know has died at all after taking the vaccine.   

[Starise]

41 minutes ago, George said:

The saddest situation that I had to deal with.  I was in Texas, and a man whose brother was 43 died the day after getting the shot.  I spent some time consoling him, since I had just dealt with the same situation with my own brother passing away at 46.

I am sorry to hear this and praying for the family of this man and for you and your families safety while on the road. Was your brother's passing related to a vaccine? 

The really odd thing that makes no sense to me is the fact that many others have had a purely opposite experience. I work at a large place, my wife works at a large place where employees all got the vaccine. None of them had complications or died. All my wife's immediate family got the vaccine and all are fine.

So I'm not sure what gives? Something isn't adding up for me. I had the vaccine some time ago and all is well.

I would think if people were dropping like flies from the shot word would be getting around, especially in smaller tightly nit communities. 

Could a few people be seeing a disproportionate number of people dying not long after the vaccine as compared to the total? If even one person I knew or was close to passing away soon after the vaccine would cause me to wonder about it if that person had no known health issues before that. I might be tempted to blame the 'widow maker' heart attack. There are simply younger people who die all the time unexpectedly. I remember a young man in my family who was in perfect health about 25 years old laying on his mother's couch. She walked by and noticed him writhing and called the ambulance. He was dead by the time they arrived. He didn't use drugs. It was said he had a virus that had gotten into his brain? 

There have been a few elderly people who seem to have passed away right after the vaccine. It's like they can't win because they are also one of the groups most prone to have serious issues if they catch the virus.

 

Edited July 21, 2021 by Starise
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[Alive]

39 minutes ago, George said:

The saddest situation that I had to deal with.  I was in Texas, and a man whose brother was 43 died the day after getting the shot.  I spent some time consoling him, since I had just dealt with the same situation with my own brother passing away at 46.

The upside is Phylis is a believer as is her husband and my wife and I have had the privelege of ministering to them...Norm is doing well, but he did get sick from the shot. He just turned 90, loves ribs from the smoker and is 82 Airborne.

[George]

5 minutes ago, Starise said:

I am sorry to hear this and praying for the family of this man and for you and your families safety while on the road. Was your brother's passing related to a vaccine? 

No, it was a heart attack just before air travel was shut down across the world.

[teddyv]

Agreed that people's experiences greatly differ. I only know of one person who dies but already had serious respiratory issues and was advanced in age. We have had almost now issue with either of our Pfizer shots other than the routine arm soreness and maybe a bit of fatigue after the second shot.

Humans love to make connections and we do this almost without thinking. Sometimes those connections may be correct, but there are so many variables in our daily lives, that it can be very difficult to firmly establish causation.

[George]

This is in Scotland.  Now mind you, Scotland is SMALL!  This is their June 30 report.  Look especially at the Deaths within 28 days of the vaccination.   A total of 1,877 deaths have been due to the Pfizer mRNA jab, 3,643 deaths have been due to the AstraZeneca viral vector jab, and 2 deaths have been due to the Moderna mRNA jab.  So we're looking at over 5,500 people that have died. 

According to over 3,000,000 that have been jabbed as of July.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/

Those are the FACTS from their site.  

[teddyv]

21 minutes ago, George said:

This is in Scotland.  Now mind you, Scotland is SMALL!  This is their June 30 report.  Look especially at the Deaths within 28 days of the vaccination.   A total of 1,877 deaths have been due to the Pfizer mRNA jab, 3,643 deaths have been due to the AstraZeneca viral vector jab, and 2 deaths have been due to the Moderna mRNA jab.  So we're looking at over 5,500 people that have died. 

According to over 3,000,000 that have been jabbed as of July.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/

Those are the FACTS from their site.  

From that linked Excel sheet:

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Overall deaths from any cause that have occurred within 28 days of receiving a COVID-19 Vaccination, broken down by date of death and vaccine type.       

My bolding.

Edited July 21, 2021 by teddyv

[George]

@teddyv Don't you FIND it INTERESTING that BEFORE the vaccination, ANY DEATH was labeled a COVID death if they had covid ... and AFTER the VACCINE any DEATH CANNOT possibly be the vaccine but something ELSE?  

Time will PROVE all things!  But if they are giving away MILLION dollar jackpots for getting the vaccine ... ALARM bells should be RINGING!