"The Antichrist" Myth

[teddyv]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

Could you post the chapter and verse so I can understand where you are coming from?

Thanks

I'm thinking it is probably this one, but I thought it was somewhere else.

Isaiah 34:8-10

8 For the Lord has a day of vengeance,
    a year of recompense for the cause of Zion.
9 And the streams of Edom shall be turned into pitch,
    and her soil into sulfur;
    her land shall become burning pitch.
10 Night and day it shall not be quenched;
    its smoke shall go up forever.
From generation to generation it shall lie waste;
    none shall pass through it forever and ever.

It comes from a section entitled "Judgement on the Nations" and the speaks of the day of vengeance, which I suppose some may claim is still future prophecy.

[The Light]

13 minutes ago, teddyv said:

I'm thinking it is probably this one, but I thought it was somewhere else.

Isaiah 34:8-10

8 For the Lord has a day of vengeance,
    a year of recompense for the cause of Zion.
9 And the streams of Edom shall be turned into pitch,
    and her soil into sulfur;
    her land shall become burning pitch.
10 Night and day it shall not be quenched;
    its smoke shall go up forever.
From generation to generation it shall lie waste;
    none shall pass through it forever and ever.

It comes from a section entitled "Judgement on the Nations" and the speaks of the day of vengeance, which I suppose some may claim is still future prophecy.

Thanks for finding it.

This event also has not occurred yet. Check the verses.

Isa 34

4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

Rev 6

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

See the similarity. This event has not occurred yet. It will occur at the end of the tribulation just prior to the wrath of God. 

[teddyv]

16 minutes ago, The Light said:

Thanks for finding it.

This event also has not occurred yet. Check the verses.

Isa 34

4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

Rev 6

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

See the similarity. This event has not occurred yet. It will occur at the end of the tribulation just prior to the wrath of God. 

I can see the connection, but it's sort of odd that Edom, which has long disappeared as any sort of nation, should still burn forever, especially as the whole earth is to be made new. I see this as hyperbolic language of judgment, relevant to the audience that Isaiah was writing to. Revelation certainly borrows heavily from OT imagery, but this is not a new realization.

Edited September 2, 2021 by teddyv
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[missmuffet]

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

Does that mean you won't read or quote gotquestions.org anymore? 

I would not put got questions in the same ball park as the extra bible apocryphal writings. Most people don't like got questions because it does not a-line with their interpretation. 

Edited September 2, 2021 by missmuffet

[missmuffet]

2 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

The reformist scripture is hardly the 'bible' that Yeshua and His followers read. Their scriptures were 2nd Temple literature and the LXX. Probably the original Hebrew was also their scriptures, but NOT the later rewritten Masoretic texts. Do not forget the Targums either as they lived and spoke Aramaic. There is much Aramaic allusion in our NT scriptures as well. The 'reformed' scriptures are incomplete.

If you do not know history, you will repeat its mistakes and misinformed ideas. Aka, Darby, Scofield, Luther and Calvin. Not to mention the Dallas Theological Seminary which is a pastor-factory for the pre-mil ideas and dogmas.

A lot of good Pastors have come out of the Dallas Seminary. I have read some things from some pretty bad Pastors who are into false teachings. I haven't seen bad theology yet from the Dallas Pastors. They are on the same page as the Holy Bible 

[Justin Adams]

9 hours ago, missmuffet said:

A lot of good Pastors have come out of the Dallas Seminary. I have read some things from some pretty bad Pastors who are into false teachings. I haven't seen bad theology yet from the Dallas Pastors. They are on the same page as the Holy Bible 

Dispensational thought is FAR FAR FAR from the scriptures.
Take a moment to think about this: is the path to the pit paved with flowers and daisies??

[Justin Adams]

10 hours ago, The Light said:

Thanks for finding it.

This event also has not occurred yet. Check the verses.

Isa 34

4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

Rev 6

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

See the similarity. This event has not occurred yet. It will occur at the end of the tribulation just prior to the wrath of God. 

"prophet speak" is pictorial hyperbole.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

12 hours ago, teddyv said:

I can see the connection, but it's sort of odd that Edom, which has long disappeared as any sort of nation, should still burn forever, especially as the whole earth is to be made new.

Babylon, Edom/Esau, Assyria, Leviathan and the Dragon.

Are symbolic names referring to end time powers and people.

 

" For the Lord has a day of vengeance,
    a year of recompense for the cause of Zion.
 And the streams of Edom shall be turned into pitch,
    and her soil into sulfur;
    her land shall become burning pitch.
 Night and day it shall not be quenched;
    its smoke shall go up forever."  Isaiah 34:8-10  [Rev 14:11]

 

To you who fear my name shall the Son of Righteousness arise...
and you shall trample down the wicked,
they shall be ashes under your feet
in the day that I do this says the Lord. Malachi 4:3

In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God..
When the Lord shall come to be glorified in His saints.
2 Thess 1:7-10

Behold the Lord comes with 10,000's of His saints
to do doom upon all flesh Jude 1:14-15  Enoch 1.

"And the Lord shall cause His glorious voice to be heard...
with the flame of a devouring fire..
For through the voice of the Lord shall the Assyrian be crushed"
Isaiah 30:30-31

"And thou Bethlehem... out of thee shall come unto me
He who is to be ruler in Israel, whose goings forth are from eternity...
And this man shall be the peace when the Assyrian comes into our land"
Micah 5:2-5

The appearance [of the army] is as the appearance of horses. Joel 2:4

The Lord shall utter His voice before His army Joel 2:11

from the four winds.. an exceedingly great [resurrected] army
Ezekiel 37:9-10

He shall send forth His angels with the great sound
of a trumpet and they shall gather together His chosen ones
from the four winds Matthew 24:31

The dead in Christ [Job 19:25-26,Isaiah 26:19, Psalm 16:9-10]
shall rise first then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
1 Thess 4:16-17

"Israel's dead men shall rise,
together with my dead body shall they arise.
And in that day the Lord with His strong and severe sword
shall punish Leviathan and He shall slay the Dragon."
Isaiah 26:19 - 27:1.

"The marriage of the Lamb has come and His
bride has made herself ready...
The armies in the sky followed Him on white horses..."
Revelation 19:7-14

"I saw an angel standing in the sun,
and he cried with a loud voice saying to all
the birds that fly in the midst of the sky
come and gather yourselves together unto the supper 
of the great God." [the marriage supper of the Lamb]
Revelation 19:17

"The beast and false prophet were captured, [Leviathan and the Dragon]
these both were thrown alive into a lake burning with fire
and brimstone, and the rest were slain with the sword of Him
that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded from His mouth 
and all the birds were filled with their flesh."
Revelation 19:20-21

For wheresoever the bodies are there will the birds be gathered together.
Matthew 24:28, Luke 17:37

Then the Lord with His saints reigns for 1000 years,
from Isaiah 2:19 and Rev 6:15-17 we know that people will hide
underground from the Lords arrival,
I believe these people will come out of hiding
and be ruled over, and there may be those in nations
far away from Israel that remain, the Lord with His saints
will rule over the world for 1000 years with no demonic forces present.
After 1000 years the devil will be allowed to try to stop the reign.
The enemy will gather all the world against the camp of the saints,
but a fire will come down out of the sky and devour them [Rev 20:7-9]

The land shall burn, the sea will change, the sky will melt,
it will all be turned over to fire [ 2 Peter 3:10-12, Rev 20:9 ]

The great city that is already now prepared will come down; Rev 21:1. 
and a new water source will flow from the middle of that city; Rev 22:1.

Edited September 3, 2021 by Desopixi Seilynam

[missmuffet]

8 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

Dispensational thought is FAR FAR FAR from the scriptures.
Take a moment to think about this: is the path to the pit paved with flowers and daisies??

Suit yourself.

[TheBlade]

On 8/17/2021 at 12:59 PM, WilliamL said:

“The Antichrist” Myth

The Antichrist – a term broadly used throughout the Church to describe a single man who will come to rule the whole world – is a myth based upon an old rumor.

This rumor has its first and only biblical reference in 1 John 1:18 –

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is a last hour; and as you have heard that Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is a last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us…

John never acknowledges any truth to this “as you have heard” rumor. Quite the contrary, John later provides a significantly different doctrine of antichrist:

1 John 2:22 Who is the liar but the one [i.e. each one: see 2:18 above] denying that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one denying the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either… 4:3 And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the* [spirit] of the antichrist, that you have heard is coming, and now already it is in the world.   * The Greek article to = “the” is neuter, agreeing with pneuma/spirit.

So – John clearly defines the term antichrist to be a spiritual belief, being the doctrine of one powerful collective spirit. It is not, nor will be, a single man; rather, this belief had infested, and will infest, “many” spirits and men. The one-man The Antichrist doctrine is never taught by John, and only John uses the word antichrist. Therefore, the one-man The Antichrist doctrine is not biblical.

Excerpted from: https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1150-the-antichrist-myth/

 

I just went through ever page and and.. nothing. PLEASE tell me you have more then just 1st John?  Would have been nice to read "I believe the AntiChrist is a myth and heres why".  Let me help... John did not say "So – John clearly defines the term antichrist to be a spiritual belief," you did. You defined it then told us what John was "really" saying. Not how this works.  its right there in what you posted.. I can't understand how you miss it. Thank you though.. I've never quite heard this one before..Heard not going to be one.. everything its going to get better and better not worse.. blah blah blah.